It's Time to Mandate Vaccines

[SoCal Deek]

51 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

You're making the choice to burden the hospital system unnecessarily if you get sick from Covid. You want to be self sufficient and strong--die at home. 

PLEASE knock it off with the burdening the hospital crap! The same could be true for grocery stores, fire departments, schools, and every other business in America. It’s a bull crap argument. NOBODY is getting Covid on purpose! If your precious family members don’t want to work in a hospital let me suggest they change majors!!!!!

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

56 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

You're making the choice to burden the hospital system unnecessarily if you get sick from Covid. You want to be self sufficient and strong--die at home. 

No it’s making the choice to exacerbate the hospital system 😂 

 

get your talking points right 😂 😂 

[FireChans]

57 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

You're making the choice to burden the hospital system unnecessarily if you get sick from Covid. You want to be self sufficient and strong--die at home. 

Fat people in diabetic comas or congestive heart failure or respiratory failure, -- die at home.

 

Party of compassion. Noice.

[Governor]

25 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

PLEASE knock it off with the burdening the hospital crap! The same could be true for grocery stores, fire departments, schools, and every other business in America. It’s a bull crap argument. NOBODY is getting Covid on purpose! If your precious family members don’t want to work in a hospital let me suggest they change majors!!!!!

Early in the pandemic, anti-maskers said we should just stay home if we didn’t like what was happening out there.

 

Now, it’s anti-Vaxers turn to stay home. They have the right to not get the shot, but they can’t come outside or clog up the hospitals, or work, or send kids to school, or shop, or fly.

 

 

 

 

Edited August 25, 2021 by Governor

[Chef Jim]

6 minutes ago, Governor said:

Early in the pandemic, anti-maskers said we should just stay home if we didn’t like what was happening out there.

 

Now, it’s anti-Vaxers turn to stay home. They have the right to not get the shot, but they can’t come outside or clog up the hospitals, or work, or send kids to school, or shop, or fly.

 

 

 

 

What danger are they to you?  You’re vaccinated right?   Maybe you scaredy cat should stay home. 
 

BOO!!

[Sundancer]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

How have I made the choice to burden the hospitals?

You know. But by all means do the ignorance game. 

[SoCal Deek]

17 minutes ago, Governor said:

Early in the pandemic, anti-maskers said we should just stay home if we didn’t like what was happening out there.

 

Now, it’s anti-Vaxers turn to stay home. They have the right to not get the shot, but they can’t come outside or clog up the hospitals, or work, or send kids to school, or shop, or fly.

 

 

 

 

I’m vaccinated …you’re not the boss of me or ANYONE else 

 

[Sundancer]

36 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Fat people in diabetic comas or congestive heart failure or respiratory failure, -- die at home.

 

Party of compassion. Noice.

I’m not a party member. For the time I was, I was a Republican. 
 

If they make a heart failure vaccine that works as well as this, take it. 

[FireChans]

Just now, Sundancer said:

I’m not a party member. For the time I was, I was a Republican. 
 

If they make a heart failure vaccine that works as well as this, take it. 

It's preventable in a large amount of cases.  They have been burdening our health care system for too long. Smokers and drinkers too with lung cancer or liver failure. IV drug users with endocarditis.

 

Let's take your game and go pro.  Preventable disease = die at home.

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Sundancer said:

You know. But by all means do the ignorance game. 

Should smokers stay home and die in their beds? They ARE making a choice. How about obese people? Barnes and Noble has a boatload of diet books.

[Sundancer]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Should smokers stay home and die in their beds? They ARE making a choice. How about obese people? Barnes and Noble has a boatload of diet books.

Interestingly, we have a health care system set up to handle all those *****. Covid is new and crushing hospitals. Oh and preventable with a needle in the arm. 
 

The diseases we stop with needles in the arm, like polio, smallpox, etc should be.
 

Don’t be an ass: Take 10 minutes and get the shot. 
 

If you want to start a thread about fat asses and smokers have at it. This is the Covid thread. 

7 minutes ago, FireChans said:

It's preventable in a large amount of cases.  They have been burdening our health care system for too long. Smokers and drinkers too with lung cancer or liver failure. IV drug users with endocarditis.

 

Let's take your game and go pro.  Preventable disease = die at home.

Jim can take 10 minutes out of his life and pretty much avoid the hospital. But he’s too selfish to do it. 

[Governor]

9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Should smokers stay home and die in their beds? They ARE making a choice. How about obese people? Barnes and Noble has a boatload of diet books.

I can’t catch being fat from you and die. You’re not spreading your fat around the community. Well, I hope you aren’t anyway.

[Commsvet11]

7 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

Interestingly, we have a health care system set up to handle all those *****. Covid is new and crushing hospitals. Oh and preventable with a needle in the arm. 
 

The diseases we stop with needles in the arm, like polio, smallpox, etc should be.
 

Don’t be an ass: Take 10 minutes and get the shot. 
 

If you want to start a thread about fat asses and smokers have at it. This is the Covid thread. 

Jim can take 10 minutes out of his life and pretty much avoid the hospital. But he’s too selfish to do it. 

You don’t actually work in healthcare do you? Particularly the clinical side.

The hospitals have ALWAYS been overrun. Not just Covid.

 

Other diseases just didn’t take a break, cancer doesn’t stop, hepatitis doesn’t stop.

 

During the shutdown was the slowest I ever seen work because not every Tom, Dick or Jane came into the ER with just a stomach ache.

 

 

 

[Sundancer]

Just now, Commsvet11 said:

You don’t actually work in healthcare do you? Particularly the clinical side.

The hospitals have ALWAYS been overrun. Not just Covid.

 

Other diseases just didn’t take a break, cancer doesn’t stop, hepatitis doesn’t stop.

 

During the shutdown was the slowest I ever seen work because not every Tom, Dick or Jane came into the ER with just a stomach ache.

 

 

 

The shut down for hospitals had odd times. But you can’t say it was a slow 18 months overall unless you’re in a strange community. 

[Big Blitz]

36 minutes ago, Governor said:

Early in the pandemic, anti-maskers said we should just stay home if we didn’t like what was happening out there.

 

Now, it’s anti-Vaxers turn to stay home. They have the right to not get the shot, but they can’t come outside or clog up the hospitals, or work, or send kids to school, or shop, or fly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

We said stay home if you don't want to catch the virus.  

 

We didn't lock you up or forbid you from doing anything.  

 

Appreciate the reminder you're also a fascist lunatic.  

 

 

[Chef Jim]

30 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

You know. But by all means do the ignorance game. 

I’m ignorant?  😂😂😂

 

 

[Governor]

8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

We said stay home if you don't want to catch the virus.  

 

We didn't lock you up or forbid you from doing anything.  

 

Appreciate the reminder you're also a fascist lunatic.  

 

 

It’s a pretty pointless conversation because hospitals are going Triad here shortly which puts the unvaccinated to the back of the line if they’re busy.

[Chef Jim]

23 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

Jim can take 10 minutes out of his life and pretty much avoid the hospital. But he’s too selfish to do it. 

What in the ***** world are you talking about? 

[Commsvet11]

9 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

The shut down for hospitals had odd times. But you can’t say it was a slow 18 months overall unless you’re in a strange community. 

I can say it was slow for a good many months. During covid many surgeries were cancelled, people didn’t come in unless it was an absolutely emergency. 
 

Do you work in healthcare and particularly the clinical side?

 

 

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, Governor said:

It’s a pretty pointless conversation because hospitals are going Triad here shortly which puts the unvaccinated to the back of the line if they’re busy.

Triad?  I think the word your looking for it triage and what you explained is not how triage works. 

15 minutes ago, Commsvet11 said:

You don’t actually work in healthcare do you? Particularly the clinical side.

The hospitals have ALWAYS been overrun. Not just Covid.

 

Other diseases just didn’t take a break, cancer doesn’t stop, hepatitis doesn’t stop.

 

During the shutdown was the slowest I ever seen work because not every Tom, Dick or Jane came into the ER with just a stomach ache.

 

 

 

Diseases?  How about accidents, gun shots and stabbings.  And yes belly aches from those without insurance. 

[Governor]

20 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Triad?  I think the word your looking for it triage and what you explained is not how triage works. 

Diseases?  How about accidents, gun shots and stabbings.  And yes belly aches from those without insurance. 

That’s exactly what it means. 
 

1a: the sorting of and allocation of treatment to patients and especially battle and disaster victims according to a system of priorities designed to maximize the number of survivors

b: the sorting of patients (as in an emergency room) according to the urgency of their need for care

2: the assigning of priority order to projects on the basis of where funds and other resources can be best used, are most needed, or are most likely to achieve success

20 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Triad?  I think the word your looking for it triage and what you explained is not how triage works. 

Diseases?  How about accidents, gun shots and stabbings.  And yes belly aches from those without insurance. 

Gun shots, strokes, etc. will get priority over a sick unvaccinated Covid patient if there’s a shortage of beds. Being unvaccinated with Covid knocks you a few pegs down the priority list.

 

My doctor told me that today. They’re still working out the specifics.

Edited August 25, 2021 by Governor

[Big Blitz]

Pfizer CEO says he’s planning for vaccine-resistant Covid strain, is confident company can react within months

 

 

Pfizer's CEO Albert Bourla said the company believes that it could be ready to counter a vaccine-resistant variant of Covid-19 within three months, should one arise.

 

The CEO made the statement on Tuesday during a Fox News segment.

 

“Every time that the variant appears in the world, our scientists are getting their hands around it,” Mr Bourla said during the segment. “They are researching to see if this variant can escape the protection of our vaccine. We haven’t identified any yet but we believe that it is likely that one day, one of them will emerge.”

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pfizer-ceo-vaccine-resitant-strain-b1908134.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Chef Jim]

14 minutes ago, Governor said:

That’s exactly what it means. 
 

1a: the sorting of and allocation of treatment to patients and especially battle and disaster victims according to a system of priorities designed to maximize the number of survivors

b: the sorting of patients (as in an emergency room) according to the urgency of their need for care

2: the assigning of priority order to projects on the basis of where funds and other resources can be best used, are most needed, or are most likely to achieve success

Gun shots, strokes, etc. will get priority over a sick unvaccinated Covid patient if there’s a shortage of beds. Being unvaccinated with Covid knocks you a few pegs down the priority list.

 

My doctor told me that today. They’re still working out the specifics.

And that does NOT automatically put the unvaccinated at the end of the line.  That’s just your fantasy. Putz. 

[Backintheday544]

4 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

And that does NOT automatically put the unvaccinated at the end of the line.  That’s just your fantasy. Putz. 

Triage is common in ERs. If a person wants to go unvaxxed they made a choice they should live with consequences that they would be lower priority in the health care system them people who are vaxxed. 
 

Freedom of choice isn’t freedom of consequences.

[Governor]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

And that does NOT automatically put the unvaccinated at the end of the line.  That’s just your fantasy. Putz. 

It’s about to.

 

Some argue that unvaccinated Covid patients should get the highest priority since they’re likely to die, but I guess doctors and administrators have had enough and are coming down the other way on it.

 

It might not be every hospital, but it will probably become the norm here soon.

 

When there’s only 2 beds, it obviously isn’t fair to give it to unvaccinated idiots if others need them.

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, Governor said:

It’s about to.

 

Some argue that unvaccinated Covid patients should get the highest priority since they’re likely to die, but I guess doctors and administrators have had enough and are coming down the other way on it.

 

It might not be every hospital, but it will probably become the norm here soon.

 

When there’s only 2 beds, it obviously isn’t fair to give it to unvaccinated idiots if others need them.

Any doctor that denies care for someone based on their vaccination status should be stripped of the ability to practice medicine. 

[Big Blitz]

4 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

 

 

The folks you quoted are correct that as viruses mutate more they become less harmful and spread less.  That does not appear to have happened with the delta variant, let’s hope that changes.

 

 

That's wrong.  I cited The UK as why.  The "Delta wave" has been their longest with cases as high as December/January per day only its been over 2 months now.  

 

Deaths should be equivalent to January/February UK right?

 

Nope.  Not even close.  Delta is a severe flu its Covid lite.  

 

 

Edited August 25, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Backintheday544]

5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Any doctor that denies care for someone based on their vaccination status should be stripped of the ability to practice medicine. 

Why? If a doctor tells you hey don’t stick you fingers in an outlet and you do, why should they prioritize you over someone who just randomly got hurt.

Edited August 25, 2021 by Backintheday544

[Chef Jim]

4 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

Triage is common in ERs. If a person wants to go unvaxxed they made a choice they should live with consequences that they would be lower priority in the health care system them people who are vaxxed. 
 

Freedom of choice isn’t freedom of consequences.

Of course it’s common in ER.  Again a Doctor that denies care based on vaccination status should be stripped of their ability to practice medicine. 
 

EMT:  we have a severe head wound. Vitals are weak 

ER Triage:  car accident?

EMT:  yes. 
ER Triage:  we’re they wearing a seatbelt?

EMT: no

ER Triage:  end of the line!!

 

🙄

2 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

Why?

Compassion.  You may have heard of it. 

[Doc Brown]

6 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Any doctor that denies care for someone based on their vaccination status should be stripped of the ability to practice medicine. 

If there were two ICU beds left and three patients.  Two vaccinated.  One not.  Do you give preference to the vaccinated or sort by age?

[Backintheday544]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

Of course it’s common in ER.  Again a Doctor that denies care based on vaccination status should be stripped of their ability to practice medicine. 
 

EMT:  we have a severe head wound. Vitals are weak 

ER Triage:  car accident?

EMT:  yes. 
ER Triage:  we’re they wearing a seatbelt?

EMT: no

ER Triage:  end of the line!!

 

🙄

thats not an example of triage. 

[Chef Jim]

Just now, Doc Brown said:

If there were two ICU beds left and three patients.  Two vaccinated.  One not.  Do you give preference to the vaccinated or sort by age?

Not enough information. 

Just now, Backintheday544 said:

thats not an example of triage. 

It’s an example of lack of compassion. 

[Governor]

8 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Any doctor that denies care for someone based on their vaccination status should be stripped of the ability to practice medicine. 

They’ll probably just give them a script for ivermectin and send them on their way.

 

Theres plenty of cures out there. No reason why they should be at the hospital.

[Doc Brown]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

Not enough information. 

All three had same symptoms and caught it at the same time.  All three have type 2 diabetes.  The unvaccinated person is 60 and the two vaccinated people are 87.  All females.

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, Governor said:

They’ll probably just give them a script for ivermectin and send them on their way.

 

Theres plenty of cures out there. No reason why they should be at the hospital.

No reason?  You can bow out of this conversation now. 

[Backintheday544]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

Not enough information. 

It’s an example of lack of compassion. 

its not. You have a set amount of time you can devote to people. Time is a constant that you can’t expand. Triage is about using time as efficiently as possible.

 

If you have 2 Covid cases where both could die, you take the person who is vaxxed over unvaxxed because it’s a better use of time. Choices have consequences.

[Governor]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

No reason?  You can bow out of this conversation now. 

Ok. I made that part up but the rest was what I was told today.

[Chef Jim]

Just now, Doc Brown said:

All three had same symptoms and caught it at the same time.  All three have type 2 diabetes.  The unvaccinated person is 60 and the two vaccinated people are 87.  All females.

The unvaccinated person first. They are the one in most danger. 

[Backintheday544]

8 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Of course it’s common in ER.  Again a Doctor that denies care based on vaccination status should be stripped of their ability to practice medicine. 
 

EMT:  we have a severe head wound. Vitals are weak 

ER Triage:  car accident?

EMT:  yes. 
ER Triage:  we’re they wearing a seatbelt?

EMT: no

ER Triage:  end of the line!!

 

🙄

Compassion.  You may have heard of it. 

F them. They used their freedom of choice to make a dumb choice.

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

its not. You have a set amount of time you can devote to people. Time is a constant that you can’t expand. Triage is about using time as efficiently as possible.

 

If you have 2 Covid cases where both could die, you take the person who is vaxxed over unvaxxed because it’s a better use of time. Choices have consequences.

Why is a vaxxed person a better use of time? 

1 minute ago, Backintheday544 said:

F them. They used their freedom of choice to make a dumb choice.

***** them?  I hope you don’t work in healthcare.