DeSantis For President in 2024?

[Albwan]

HAHAHAHAHA..love when the light shines on the roaches......

they berserk!

[Buffarukus]

18 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

 

"On June 27, San Antonio police and Homeland Security investigators found 64 migrants, some inside the truck, in the sweltering Texas heat and others in its vicinity, according to the U.S. attorney for the Western District of Texas. Forty-eight of them died at the scene and 16 others were transported to hospitals."

 

yes desantis, please dont force the dems to confront the issue. let them continue to ignore it so tragedies and trafficking can escalate further. how can they virtue signal if they are hypocrits? 🙄

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, Buffarukus said:

 

"On June 27, San Antonio police and Homeland Security investigators found 64 migrants, some inside the truck, in the sweltering Texas heat and others in its vicinity, according to the U.S. attorney for the Western District of Texas. Forty-eight of them died at the scene and 16 others were transported to hospitals."

 

yes desantis, please dont force the dems to confront the issue. let them continue to ignore it so tragedies and trafficking can escalate further. how can they virtue signal if they are hypocrits? 🙄

We built a wall.

 

It didn’t work?

[Backintheday544]

5 hours ago, BillStime said:

BUT THE MIGRANTS MUST ORIGINATE FROM FLORIDA per state law 

 

lmao

 

 

idiots 

 

 

 

 

I wonder if this is why the plane stopped in Florida. DeSantis used taxpayer money to fly illega immigrants into his own state!

[Backintheday544]

Got our first referral to DOJ for human trafficking:

 

McGovern also calling this illegal:

 

In a statement to MassLive, U.S. Congressman Jim McGovern said he agreed that the “campaign stunt” could rise to the level of violating the law. 

“Using taxpayer money to ship vulnerable people across the country under false pretenses is not just a campaign stunt—it appears to be human trafficking. It also looks like he illegally used Florida’s COVID relief money to run this operation. These are major violations of federal law that should be investigated,” McGovern said.

 

Some of the false pretense documents are also coming out:

Immigration lawyers are also working on getting these people visas since they may be victims of crimes:

 

Susan Church, an immigration lawyer based in Cambridge, told the Boston Globe a legal team is working with advocacy groups to interview the migrants and determine whether they are eligible for visas for victims of crimes.

“They were duped in to getting onto the plane,” said Church, former chair of the New England Chapter of the American Immigration Lawyers Association. “This is akin to kidnapping.”

[Doc]

Maybe it was insurrection!

[Big Blitz]

Omg hahahahahaha

 

 

 

[BillStime]

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Omg hahahahahaha

 

 

 

Shame Trump couldn't open his doors at Ped-O-Largo like the amazing Christian he is - right?

 

[Backintheday544]

News I’m has challenged DeSantis to a debate. DeSantis was trying everything go get out of debating Crist. So when he comes up with an excuse for this one, I think the thread title should get changed to DeChicken:

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/california-gov-newsom-challenges-florida-gov-ron-desantis-to-debate/

[Orlando Tim]

45 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

News I’m has challenged DeSantis to a debate. DeSantis was trying everything go get out of debating Crist. So when he comes up with an excuse for this one, I think the thread title should get changed to DeChicken:

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/california-gov-newsom-challenges-florida-gov-ron-desantis-to-debate/

DeSantis will debate Crist in West Palm Beach, or do you think he should agree to a "debate" where the host will lie to assist his opponent like in 2018? many people don't realize we were only a few percent of votes away from having a different governor and it was close only because the debates where slanted so heavily in Gillums favor. 

[BillStime]

9 minutes ago, Bandito said:

These are likely NRA members. NRA members are not the cause of gun violence. But you are right, domestic terrorists know as BLM will kill you and already have destroyed billions of $ worth of property and have killed many people along the way.

Oh really?

 

What did Trump’s own Homeland Security tell us?

 

DHS: White supremacists present the gravest terror threat to the United States

 

[Tenhigh]

17 hours ago, BillStime said:

Um - common sense

So just making stuff up then?

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

So just making stuff up then?

I feel pretty good about my guess… after all - like I told Bandiito:

 

Trump DHS: White supremacists present the gravest terror threat to the United States

 

And well, of course you freaks where it like a badge of honor:

 

 

 

[Tenhigh]

20 minutes ago, BillStime said:

I feel pretty good about my guess… after all - like I told Bandiito:

 

Trump DHS: White supremacists present the gravest terror threat to the United States

 

And well, of course you freaks where it like a badge of honor:

 

 

 

Ah, feelz.  Of course you feel good about it, you don't have any idea what you are talking about.  Here is a link to murders by illegal immigrants skyrocketing under Biden:

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics/criminal-noncitizen-statistics

 

 

And that was Trumps DHS.  Now that Biden opened the southern border, I think the DHS would probably sing a different tune if they were allowed to speak honestly. 

Edited September 17, 2022 by Tenhigh

[Backintheday544]

2 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:

DeSantis will debate Crist in West Palm Beach, or do you think he should agree to a "debate" where the host will lie to assist his opponent like in 2018? many people don't realize we were only a few percent of votes away from having a different governor and it was close only because the debates where slanted so heavily in Gillums favor. 

LOL Always an excuse. 

[BillStime]

29 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

Ah, feelz.  Of course you feel good about it, you don't have any idea what you are talking about.  Here is a link to murders by illegal immigrants skyrocketing under Biden:

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics/criminal-noncitizen-statistics

 

 

And that was Trumps DHS.  Now that Biden opened the southern border, I think the DHS would probably sing a different tune if they were allowed to speak honestly. 

Now get the numbers of murders by Americans… 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

13 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:

Got our first referral to DOJ for human trafficking:

 

McGovern also calling this illegal:

 

In a statement to MassLive, U.S. Congressman Jim McGovern said he agreed that the “campaign stunt” could rise to the level of violating the law. 

“Using taxpayer money to ship vulnerable people across the country under false pretenses is not just a campaign stunt—it appears to be human trafficking. It also looks like he illegally used Florida’s COVID relief money to run this operation. These are major violations of federal law that should be investigated,” McGovern said.

 

Some of the false pretense documents are also coming out:

Immigration lawyers are also working on getting these people visas since they may be victims of crimes:

 

Susan Church, an immigration lawyer based in Cambridge, told the Boston Globe a legal team is working with advocacy groups to interview the migrants and determine whether they are eligible for visas for victims of crimes.

“They were duped in to getting onto the plane,” said Church, former chair of the New England Chapter of the American Immigration Lawyers Association. “This is akin to kidnapping.”

It’s like you just woke up to the ongoing humanitarian crisis at the southern border.  Where have you been? 
 

In that regard, it seems that the move is a net positive.  Too many people, well-intentioned or otherwise, look away when the immigration issue is raised.  
 

The outrage over kids in cages, for example,  ebbs and flows based on who is in office.   The concern over the incredibly perilous journey, and the discussion in who lives, who dies and who might be victimized is big news when one administration is in office, not so much when the another admin takes over. 
 

If your choice is to pretend this politicization is only relevant today, you’re part of the problem.  If you choose not to look at the obvious, sustained and decades long complicity of people like Biden, Harris, Schumer, McConnell, the late John McCain etc, you’re a major contributor to it.

 

 

[Big Blitz]

 

 

 

 

NBC deleted this tweet rather quickly…

 

 

 

Foundation called Illegals ‘trash’

[Tenhigh]

19 hours ago, BillStime said:

Go do your own homework 

 

[BillStime]

Just now, Tenhigh said:

 

It’s ok - you don’t want to upstage your own argument.

 

[Tenhigh]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

Now get the numbers of murders by Americans… 

Lol you are a seriously sad case, Billsy. Coming to the opener? It will do you good to interact with other people in the real world.

Just now, BillStime said:

It’s ok - you don’t want to upstage your own argument.

 

It's your argument, you silly goose. You said that you are more likely to get murdered by a domestic terrorist than an illegal immigrant,, and I asked for proof.  All I was able to find is that murders by illegals are up like 2000% since Biden got into office.  You want to get your own answer?  Look it up yourself, comrade!

[Orlando Tim]

1 hour ago, Backintheday544 said:

LOL Always an excuse. 

LOL, why did Christ not agree to the debate Nikki Fried more? 

[BillStime]

40 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

Lol you are a seriously sad case, Billsy. Coming to the opener? It will do you good to interact with other people in the real world.

It's your argument, you silly goose. You said that you are more likely to get murdered by a domestic terrorist than an illegal immigrant,, and I asked for proof.  All I was able to find is that murders by illegals are up like 2000% since Biden got into office.  You want to get your own answer?  Look it up yourself, comrade!

1)

Contrary to public perception, we observe considerably lower felony arrest rates among undocumented immigrants compared to legal immigrants and native-born US citizens and find no evidence that undocumented criminality has increased in recent years. Our findings help us understand why the most aggressive immigrant removal programs have not delivered on their crime reduction promises and are unlikely to do so in the future.

 

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014704117

 

2)
 

Says 194 people were killed in mass shootings in 2018 while undocumented immigrants killed 83,211 people.

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/aug/26/facebook-posts/post-comparing-mass-shooting-deaths-homicides-undo/

 

3)

 

Trump says more than 63,000 Americans were killed by illegal immigrants since 9/11. But the math doesn't add up

 

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/06/25/trump-says-63000-killed-by-illegal-aliens-the-math-doesnt-add-up.html

 

4)

Illegal Immigration Does Not Increase Violent Crime, 4 Studies Show

 

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/02/607652253/studies-say-illegal-immigration-does-not-increase-violent-crime

 

 

I stand by my comments 

[Tenhigh]

Just now, BillStime said:

1)

Contrary to public perception, we observe considerably lower felony arrest rates among undocumented immigrants compared to legal immigrants and native-born US citizens and find no evidence that undocumented criminality has increased in recent years. Our findings help us understand why the most aggressive immigrant removal programs have not delivered on their crime reduction promises and are unlikely to do so in the future.

 

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014704117

 

2)
 

Says 194 people were killed in mass shootings in 2018 while undocumented immigrants killed 83,211 people.

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/aug/26/facebook-posts/post-comparing-mass-shooting-deaths-homicides-undo/

 

3)

 

Trump says more than 63,000 Americans were killed by illegal immigrants since 9/11. But the math doesn't add up

 

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/06/25/trump-says-63000-killed-by-illegal-aliens-the-math-doesnt-add-up.html

 

4)

Illegal Immigration Does Not Increase Violent Crime, 4 Studies Show

 

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/02/607652253/studies-say-illegal-immigration-does-not-increase-violent-crime

 

 

I stand by my comments 

Trump is an idiot but I'm not asking what he said, I'm asking you to back up your own claim.   Which link has the domestic terrorist stats?  Lets have a real conversation about it, no stupid memes.  My guess is that you could probably prove either is true based on you definition of domestic terrorism.  

[BillStime]

4 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

Trump is an idiot but I'm not asking what he said, I'm asking you to back up your own claim.   Which link has the domestic terrorist stats?  Lets have a real conversation about it, no stupid memes.  My guess is that you could probably prove either is true based on you definition of domestic terrorism.  

 
I stand behind my claim. 
 

You don’t have to buy what I’m selling and that is okay. 
 

 

 

[Tenhigh]

Just now, BillStime said:

 
I stand behind my claim. 
 

You don’t have to buy what I’m selling and that is okay. 
 

 

 

And I'm asking you to provide some kind of evidence of it, I think it's an interesting topic for discussion. But if you don't want to, that's ok too. 

 

 

Now are you coming to the opener or not?  

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, Tenhigh said:

And I'm asking you to provide some kind of evidence of it, I think it's an interesting topic for discussion. But if you don't want to, that's ok too. 

 

 

Now are you coming to the opener or not?  

Unfortunately no. Will not be at the home opener. Will be at the game in Miami, Detroit and Cinnci.

 

Currently at Oktoberfest.

 

[Backintheday544]

2 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:

LOL, why did Christ not agree to the debate Nikki Fried more? 

Open a thread on that. This is thread about DeChicken.

[Orlando Tim]

4 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:

Open a thread on that. This is thread about DeChicken.

Thank you for admitting you know I am right. 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

[Backintheday544]

31 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

Thank you for admitting you know I am right. 

Don’t know why y’all righties have such terrible reading comprehension skills. This thread is about DeSantis. My point was like how he was chickening out in debating Crist he won’t accept Newsoms challenge. Therefore we should retitle the thread to DeChicken. 
 

You brought up something to with Crist/Fried debate. Since neither person are DeSantis, that discussion would be better in a thread about that topic.

 

Lets keep this on DeChicken.

 

1. Will he debate Newsom or is he too much of a chicken?

 

2. Now that the people he kidnapped in Texas and flew to MA have came out and said they were lied to about where they were going, the benefits they’d get for going and generally everything, will DOJ press charges against DeSantis?

 

3. Since DeSantis spent Florida money in violation of Florida law that was meant to expel people from FL, not TX, for a political stunt, will Florida bring charges against DeSantis?

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

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[Orlando Tim]

1 hour ago, Backintheday544 said:

Don’t know why y’all righties have such terrible reading comprehension skills. This thread is about DeSantis. My point was like how he was chickening out in debating Crist he won’t accept Newsoms challenge. Therefore we should retitle the thread to DeChicken. 
 

You brought up something to with Crist/Fried debate. Since neither person are DeSantis, that discussion would be better in a thread about that topic.

 

Lets keep this on DeChicken.

 

1. Will he debate Newsom or is he too much of a chicken?

 

2. Now that the people he kidnapped in Texas and flew to MA have came out and said they were lied to about where they were going, the benefits they’d get for going and generally everything, will DOJ press charges against DeSantis?

 

3. Since DeSantis spent Florida money in violation of Florida law that was meant to expel people from FL, not TX, for a political stunt, will Florida bring charges against DeSantis?

1) no- governor's don't debate other governors, only an idiot thinks it will happen. DeSantis will debate Crist in West Palm Beach in October.

 

2)the people sent to Martha vineyard were happy to go and they were told the Boston area, which is where they are. 

 

3) he did not break any law, most Florida Democrats voted for the law that he used to send them also. 

 

Do you seriously believe everything you read without any thought? 

[Backintheday544]

2 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:

1) no- governor's don't debate other governors, only an idiot thinks it will happen. DeSantis will debate Crist in West Palm Beach in October.

 

2)the people sent to Martha vineyard were happy to go and they were told the Boston area, which is where they are. 

 

3) he did not break any law, most Florida Democrats voted for the law that he used to send them also. 

 

Do you seriously believe everything you read without any thought? 

1. There is nothing against the law or any reason governors cannot debate governors. Newsom threw out the challenge. DeSantis can accept or hide away in fear.

 

2. Even if you want to say Martha’s Vineyard is Boston, it’s not.  It is 2.5 hours away. That’s like saying Cleveland and Buffalo are the same place (3 hours away).

They also didn’t believe that: “

Edgartown Police Chief Bruce McNamee said many of the migrants were confused. 

"We have talked to a number of people who've asked, 'Where am I?' And then I was trying to explain where Martha's Vineyard is."”  https://www.npr.org/2022/09/15/1123109768/migrants-sent-to-marthas-vineyard

They were still told they would have housing, expiated reviews and jobs. None were there. They were lied to. ““They were told they were going to be met here with jobs and housing. Some were told that they were going to different cities all over the country. At least one individual thought they were going to New York and some thought there were going to immigration appointments,” Fernandes said.” https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/immigration/desantis-puts-migrants-on-flight-to-marthas-vineyard/

 

3. Florida Democrats don’t agree that he didn’t break the law.

 

 

The law states they need to come from Florida. You are probably geographically challenged,  but Texas and Florida are not the same state.

 

 

The answer to question 2, please provide authority or legal opinion that was used to permit state funds to be expended in transporting people from Texas, as the plain reading of HB5001 clearly authorized only “unauthorized aliens from this state.”

Would you care to answer question 2 as that is the same question I posed that you miserably failed to comprehend or answer?

[Orlando Tim]

8 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:

1. There is nothing against the law or any reason governors cannot debate governors. Newsom threw out the challenge. DeSantis can accept or hide away in fear.

 

2. Even if you want to say Martha’s Vineyard is Boston, it’s not.  It is 2.5 hours away. That’s like saying Cleveland and Buffalo are the same place (3 hours away).

They also didn’t believe that: “

Edgartown Police Chief Bruce McNamee said many of the migrants were confused. 

"We have talked to a number of people who've asked, 'Where am I?' And then I was trying to explain where Martha's Vineyard is."”  https://www.npr.org/2022/09/15/1123109768/migrants-sent-to-marthas-vineyard

They were still told they would have housing, expiated reviews and jobs. None were there. They were lied to. ““They were told they were going to be met here with jobs and housing. Some were told that they were going to different cities all over the country. At least one individual thought they were going to New York and some thought there were going to immigration appointments,” Fernandes said.” https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/immigration/desantis-puts-migrants-on-flight-to-marthas-vineyard/

 

3. Florida Democrats don’t agree that he didn’t break the law.

 

 

The law states they need to come from Florida. You are probably geographically challenged,  but Texas and Florida are not the same state.

 

 

The answer to question 2, please provide authority or legal opinion that was used to permit state funds to be expended in transporting people from Texas, as the plain reading of HB5001 clearly authorized only “unauthorized aliens from this state.”

Would you care to answer question 2 as that is the same question I posed that you miserably failed to comprehend or answer?

To question one, thank you for proving you are an idiot, since you clearly expect DeSantis to care what Newsome says. 

 

For question two, you apparently believe that Tampa is not part of Florida, and the plane definitely was in Tampa before it went to MV.

 

Lastly you only quote politicians, you can find a few actual interviews online of the people who were on the plane and if you translate what they said they are happy with where they landed. 

 

I will again recommend you let this die, I am not pleased with DeSantis about it but it was legal and it was a political stunt that makes liberals look worse the more they protest 

[aristocrat]

9 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:

1. There is nothing against the law or any reason governors cannot debate governors. Newsom threw out the challenge. DeSantis can accept or hide away in fear.

 

2. Even if you want to say Martha’s Vineyard is Boston, it’s not.  It is 2.5 hours away. That’s like saying Cleveland and Buffalo are the same place (3 hours away).

They also didn’t believe that: “

Edgartown Police Chief Bruce McNamee said many of the migrants were confused. 

"We have talked to a number of people who've asked, 'Where am I?' And then I was trying to explain where Martha's Vineyard is."”  https://www.npr.org/2022/09/15/1123109768/migrants-sent-to-marthas-vineyard

They were still told they would have housing, expiated reviews and jobs. None were there. They were lied to. ““They were told they were going to be met here with jobs and housing. Some were told that they were going to different cities all over the country. At least one individual thought they were going to New York and some thought there were going to immigration appointments,” Fernandes said.” https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/immigration/desantis-puts-migrants-on-flight-to-marthas-vineyard/

 

3. Florida Democrats don’t agree that he didn’t break the law.

 

 

The law states they need to come from Florida. You are probably geographically challenged,  but Texas and Florida are not the same state.

 

 

The answer to question 2, please provide authority or legal opinion that was used to permit state funds to be expended in transporting people from Texas, as the plain reading of HB5001 clearly authorized only “unauthorized aliens from this state.”

Would you care to answer question 2 as that is the same question I posed that you miserably failed to comprehend or answer?

they were sent to one of the wealthiest communities in the country that designated itself a sanctuary city. Why couldn’t they be offered jobs and housing? Dems need to explain this. Or do they not want migrants working in their nice 98 percent white community?

[BillsFanNC]

 

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:

 

You got the talking points out bro - great job.

 

You must really be conflicted tho - lmao

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

It will be different with DeSantis.  He's not unhinged like Trump and therefore will be treated differently. 

 

And Joe Biden is lucid.

 

 

[Backintheday544]

2 hours ago, aristocrat said:

they were sent to one of the wealthiest communities in the country that designated itself a sanctuary city. Why couldn’t they be offered jobs and housing? Dems need to explain this. Or do they not want migrants working in their nice 98 percent white community?

Another person who doesn’t get basic facts, just great.

 

Marthas Vineyard is not a sanctuary city. MA has 8. They are Amherst, Boston, Cambridge, Chelsea, Concord, Newton, Northampton, and Somerville. 
 

Plus, it wasn’t MV saying they have jobs, expedited reviews and housing. It was DeSantis. 
 

Please for the love of God, read, and educate yourself before posting.