EDIT: Total cost to taxpayers? Bills select sports firm to represent ownership in building new open air stadium in OP, targeted for 2025

[YoloinOhio]

40 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Pretty much this.  I don’t know who ESPN’s “well placed source” is for the news that broke over the weekend but if the Pegulas threatened the state with leaving Buffalo I’d be shocked.  And as far as Austin goes, that’s simply a comment about a city who wants a team, not a “threat” the Bills will move there.  NYS officials know they need to keep the Bills in Buffalo.

 

I hate leaks like this but some a$$hat wanted to make him or herself more important.  This stuff will take care of itself; I’m on to Pittsburgh.

 

 

 

I don’t think there were any sources within the team being used in yesterday’s news. They said “ownership” source but never said which ownership or whether they are connected to the Bills . Seth Wickersham all of a sudden has a Bills source? Doubt it. 
 

the story is already changing today. 

[teef]

nah.  this has been held over our head for far too long.  this is a big zero, and even if it was a legit concern, i'd have trouble caring about it. 

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

what they say

 

That’s a fake account (not PSE)

[dollars 2 donuts]

F’n Beasley’s fault!

[dollars 2 donuts]

1 minute ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

great. let me go back to being pissed off now and continue to consider dumping the NFL for good.

 

 

have a good day!

 

What changed in 1973 that made you become a Bills fan?

 

Was it 2,000 yards?  Was it OJ?

 

it was OJ, wasn’t it?

 

I knew it was The Juice.

[Trogdor]

7 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Ralph lived in Michigan and Florida...

I think the founder with a much longer record who didn't accumulate his wealth by destroying areas his business operates gets a longer leash. 

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

great. let me go back to being pissed off now and continue to consider dumping the NFL for good.

 

 

have a good day!

PSE did go on record today though  - it’s in TBN article upthread 

[Virgil]

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

PSE did go on record today though  - it’s in TBN article upthread 

Damn it man, don’t you know you’re my Google.  I can’t be expected to look for things.  
 

Link? 

[JMF2006]

Sure the team gets good....then its the Sword of Democles hanging over our heads  

 

 

1 minute ago, Virgil said:

Damn it man, don’t you know you’re my Google.  I can’t be expected to look for things.  
 

Link? 

 

TBN has a paywall.

[YoloinOhio]

6 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Damn it man, don’t you know you’re my Google.  I can’t be expected to look for things.  
 

Link? 

Ha, I actually didn’t post it originally but this is it 

 

[Punching Bag]

34 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I don’t think there were any sources within the team being used in yesterday’s news. They said “ownership” source but never said which ownership or whether they are connected to the Bills . Seth Wickersham all of a sudden has a Bills source? Doubt it. 
 

the story is already changing today. 

 

I think that was a quote from ownership of Kansas City Chiefs.

10 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:

Sure the team gets good....then its the Sword of Democles hanging over our heads  

 

 

 

TBN has a paywall.

 

It is not precisely a paywall - it is a pay gate which you can get around by saving article from link and eliminating the block stuff since when you save the article gets saved too.

 

I also saved the original article as PDF so I can see all of the tweaks made by the author a political reporter in Albany Tom Precious

Contents have changed multiple times and now subject.

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[Punching Bag]

I wonder how many subscribers Buffalo News will get from angry fans?

I hope as many burn papers in front of offices.

It is no coincidence this got "leaked" after open practice.

[Back2Buff]

Does anyone actually know how the lease agreement works for the Bills and Erie County/NYS?

 

I have a decent amount of background in corporate leases, and I can tell you, the "landlord" makes out like a bandit.  The renter pretty much pays everything, while the landlord just collects the money.  The renter is responsible R&M, utilities, CAM, etc. on top of the rent payment every single month.

 

How much does the Bills/concerts/other events pay to use the stadium?  This is a lease, so I'm assuming anytime the stadium is used, a payment would need to be made.

 

If the Bills are paying to use the stadium, then NYS/Erie County should be the ones putting the money to build a new one.

[jaybee]

43 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Over the years I have wasted too much energy on this subject. 

Move if you wish Terry. Move if you want Terry. Move if you must Terry. Move to Austin, move to Wyoming, move to one of your fracking sites, move to London. I don't care.

JUST WIN A SUPERBOWL THIS YEAR and then you can frig off. 

Agree.  Pegula is playing politics knowing that our spineless governor will easily be swayed into being the hero.  Pegula also probably trying to get his claws into Covid money to build his new toy..  Move to China for all I care.  I'm done worrying and am nothing more than a fringe fan at this point after decades of being a crazy-ass passionate fan.  It was a game that united us years ago.  Its a league that divides us now.  I don't need that. 

[Rochesterfan]

 

 

 

I know this frustrates a ton of people, but in some way or another all stadiums are publicly financed.  
 

Those stadiums built by mostly private money tend to have higher PSLs so the individuals that purchase the seats are paying for the stadium.  Those with splits of financing have taxes (fees) added to seats and parking to pay along with things like hotel taxes or other bonds that get paid out of tax money.

 

My assumption based upon what we have read about all of the studies done by the Pegula’s is that the fans do not want PSLs and want to stay in OP for the tailgating.  If we accept those 2 factors as what the studies have shown - then I can fully believe this is going to be a mostly public financed project.

 

Why would the Pegula’s fund a stadium in OP and not have large PSLs like most new stadiums?  The answer would be because they are not funding it themselves.  If they were funding it themselves based upon what would be best for them - the stadium would be downtown near their other projects and then they would charge healthy PSLs for seats and eliminate tailgating because it is more profitable to force people to eat and drink in the stadium.

 

I think in a nod to the fans - the Pegula’s are giving up what is in their best interest and allowing a stadium to be built in OP, but because fans also do not want PSLs - my guess would be it is going to be a 80%-70% public to 20%-30 private funding because without the PSLs to offset the cost - the county and state will have to make up the difference.  
 

For every percentage above 0% that is privately financed the PSLs go up and there are added fees to the tickets and the parking.  You will pay either way - it is just is it spread out across the area or mostly on the fan base.

Edited August 2, 2021 by Rochesterfan

[Niagara Bill]

5 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

 

 

I know this frustrates a ton of people, but in some way or another all stadiums are publicly financed.  
 

Those stadiums built by mostly private money tend to have higher PSLs so the individuals that purchase the seats are paying for the stadium.  Those with splits of financing have taxes added to seats and parking to pay along with things like hotel taxes or other bonds that get paid out of tax money.

 

My assumption based upon what we have read about all of the studies done by the Pegula’s is that the fans do not want PSLs and want to stay in OP for the tailgating.  If we accept those 2 factors as what the studies have shown - then I can fully believe this is going to be a mostly public financed project.

 

Why would the Pegula’s fund a stadium in OP and not have large PSLs like most new stadiums?  The answer would be because they are not funding it themselves.  If they were funding it themselves based upon what would be best for them - the stadium would be downtown near their other projects and then they would charge healthy PSLs for seats and eliminate tailgating because it is more profitable to force people to eat and drink in the stadium.

 

I think in a nod to the fans - the Pegula’s are giving up what is in their best interest and allowing a stadium to be built in OP, but because fans also do not want PSLs - my guess would be it is going to be a 80%-70% public to 20%-30 private funding because without the PSLs to offset the county and state will have to make up the difference.  
 

For every percentage above 0% that is privately financed the PSLs go up and there are added fees to the tickets and the parking.  You will pay either way - it is just is it spread out across the area or mostly on the fan base.

The other side of the coin is....are there actually any real Bills fans who want a new stadium, who want a new experience, maybe with limited tailgating where Pinto Ron is a mile away from stadium, where fewer seats available to general public and boxes dominate with corporate dollars, and a fancy seats and even higher prices. 

Win a Superbowl, then we can talk.

[SoCal Deek]

I’ve said this many times on here. There’s not a person on here who’ll play a meaningful part in these negotiations. Nor does anyone know much about it except for some leaked information that may be total nonsense leaked as part of the negotiation by one of the interested parties.

 

Here’s what we do know: Rich Stadium is old and was built on the cheap. Because of that it won’t last forever and needs to be replaced. A new stadium is going to be expensive…and somebody’s going to pay for it. There’s no free lunch! 

[PastaJoe]

4 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

 

 

I know this frustrates a ton of people, but in some way or another all stadiums are publicly financed.  
 

Those stadiums built by mostly private money tend to have higher PSLs so the individuals that purchase the seats are paying for the stadium.  Those with splits of financing have taxes added to seats and parking to pay along with things like hotel taxes or other bonds that get paid out of tax money.

 

My assumption based upon what we have read about all of the studies done by the Pegula’s is that the fans do not want PSLs and want to stay in OP for the tailgating.  If we accept those 2 factors as what the studies have shown - then I can fully believe this is going to be a mostly public financed project.

 

Why would the Pegula’s fund a stadium in OP and not have large PSLs like most new stadiums?  The answer would be because they are not funding it themselves.  If they were funding it themselves based upon what would be best for them - the stadium would be downtown near their other projects and then they would charge healthy PSLs for seats and eliminate tailgating because it is more profitable to force people to eat and drink in the stadium.

 

I think in a nod to the fans - the Pegula’s are giving up what is in their best interest and allowing a stadium to be built in OP, but because fans also do not want PSLs - my guess would be it is going to be a 80%-70% public to 20%-30 private funding because without the PSLs to offset the county and state will have to make up the difference.  
 

For every percentage above 0% that is privately financed the PSLs go up and there are added fees to the tickets and the parking.  You will pay either way - it is just is it spread out across the area or mostly on the fan base.

Of course the people who tailgate and buy tickets want it in OP and don’t want PSL’s. But that doesn’t benefit the vast majority of taxpayers who would have to pay for it. This isn’t like funding schools or roads that benefit the vast majority of taxpayers.

 

If taxpayers have to pay, then it should be downtown and with a retractable roof so it can generate revenue year-round with multiple events, and include or contain a new convention center, both of which would encourage further development downtown and generate additional permanent jobs.

[Niagara Bill]

1 hour ago, AmishRifle said:

Absolute conjecture on my part:  Perhaps the firm hired to negotiate planted the seed of “other cities are interested” and not the Pegulas.  One of the advantages of a third party negotiating tactic is to keep yourself in a position to play the savior or just generally above the knife fighting to not soil your reputation.  

Maybe true, but responsibility is Terry's....no one else.

He is also responsible for winning a Superbowl...do that first.

[SoCal Deek]

7 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Maybe true, but responsibility is Terry's....no one else.

He is also responsible for winning a Superbowl...do that first.

There are new stadiums in Minnesota, Las Vegas, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Houston, Dallas just to name a few and NONE of those teams ‘earned’ them by winning a Super Bowl. With all due respect, your criteria is ridiculous.