TSW Mock Draft 2.0 - Complete!!

[mannc]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I have him just above his stable mate which I know is not the majority opinion. I just think he has more chance to be special as a pro. Williams is probably safer but I can imagine him being one of those JAG starting running backs. 

Carter is faster than Williams and he always, always beats the first defender...

[Blokestradamus]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

I have him just above his stable mate which I know is not the majority opinion. I just think he has more chance to be special as a pro. Williams is probably safer but I can imagine him being one of those JAG starting running backs. 

 

First of all, you're wrong. Javonte Williams is a beautiful football player and was close to being my RB1.

 

I have two names that I'm curious about where/if they figure on your board. Ronnie Perkins and Hamilcar Rashed.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said:

 

First of all, you're wrong. Javonte Williams is a beautiful football player and was close to being my RB1.

 

I have two names that I'm curious about where/if they figure on your board. Ronnie Perkins and Hamilcar Rashed.

 

Not watched Rashed. I presumed Perkins was gone..... he is actually my BPA then... revise my list!! He is #43 on my board. Mid to late 2nd round grade. I think for a 4-3 base team they could value him a little higher. His tape is fun to watch. He plays angry. Would not be oppose to the Bills moving up a few spots in round 2 if they go in another direction at #30 and Perkins is sitting there 6 or 7 picks before we go on the clock. 

[glazeduck]

With the 77th pick, the Los Angeles Chargers select Brevin Jordan, TE, Miami.  @H2o and the Vikings are on the clock.

 

Jordan probably isn't the best player left on the board, but TE is a need for this team long-term and this late in the draft, a 2-way TE with Jordan's upside is a gift to Justin Herbert (who loves to use his TEs).

[Blokestradamus]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

Not watched Rashed. I presumed Perkins was gone..... he is actually my BPA then... revise my list!! He is #43 on my board. Mid to late 2nd round grade. I think for a 4-3 base team they could value him a little higher. His tape is fun to watch. He plays angry. Would not be oppose to the Bills moving up a few spots in round 2 if they go in another direction at #30 and Perkins is sitting there 6 or 7 picks before we go on the clock. 

 

I'm so glad that we agree on Perkins. He reminds me so much of Jerry Hughes, it's actually a little distubring. A little more bend and flexibility and using his hands around the edge and he would be devastatingly good. I have a moderate crush on their DC, Alex Grinch. That whole front plays the game hard as hell.

 

I'm finishing off a few pass rushers and I'm stunned that I've heard such little buzz about him.

[H2o]

With 78th pick in the 2021 NFL Draft.... The Minnesota Vikings select.... Brady Christensen.... Offensive Tackle.... BYU

 

Our OL needs work and thankfully this is a deep area in the 2021 draft. Christensen was the one keeping Zach Wilson clean from the blindside so he could be the #2 pick in the draft. Maybe considered undersized by some at only 305lbs, he makes up for it with his use of angles and the punch he gets against the DL'man across from him. He also plays with an attitude and is athletic enough to make a difference at the 2nd level after his initial punch. We think he has potential at OT, but could also slide inside if need be. Either way, we get ourselves a starter with the #78 pick. 

 

@MAJBobby and the Panthers are on the clock. 

 

 

[NewEra]

35 minutes ago, mannc said:

Carter is faster than Williams and he always, always beats the first defender...

Speed is the only thing that matters too.  I’ve learned that after reading your comments about RBs.  Is javian Hawkins better than Javonte Williams?

[mannc]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Speed is the only thing that matters too.  I’ve learned that after reading your comments about RBs.  Is javian Hawkins better than Javonte Williams?

As a pro prospect, yes, especially for the Bills, who lack speed at RB...

[glazeduck]

3 minutes ago, mannc said:

As a pro prospect, yes, especially for the Bills, who lack speed at RB...

The Bills RBs are not good. The Bills RBs are also not fast. 

 

But those 2 points of evidence do not mean that speed is the missing piece of the puzzle. You're VASTLY overrating speed when it comes to evaluating RBs. 

[NewEra]

10 minutes ago, mannc said:

As a pro prospect, yes, especially for the Bills, who lack speed at RB...

For the Bills, he is probably a better fit, especially considering we should be able to get him in rd 5.  I agree that we need speed @ RB.  I feel that there are several other attributes more important to a rb than speed.  It’s overrated in your mind imo.  

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

For the Bills, he is probably a better fit, especially considering we should be able to get him in rd 5.  I agree that we need speed @ RB.  I feel that there are several other attributes more important to a rb than speed.  It’s overrated in your mind imo.  

Hawkins won't be available in round 5, but if he is, great.  I'm guessing he comes off the board no later than round 3.  

 

The one element that's missing from the Bills' offense is speed.  Even Diggs is not a burner.  They need at least one more playmaker who is a homerun threat every time he gets the ball and I think adding one at RB makes sense, especially if it's in the third round or later.  I think they should also be looking to add someone like Dyami Brown, Elijah Moore or Rondale Moore at WR for the same reason.

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, mannc said:

Hawkins won't be available in round 5, but if he is, great.  I'm guessing he comes off the board no later than round 3.  

 

The one element that's missing from the Bills' offense is speed.  Even Diggs is not a burner.  They need at least one more playmaker who is a homerun threat every time he gets the ball and I think adding one at RB makes sense, especially if it's in the third round or later.  I think they should also be looking to add someone like Dyami Brown, Elijah Moore or Rondale Moore at WR for the same reason.

I got another $25 to your $25 that says Hawkins is taken in after our pick in rd 3.  😃

4 minutes ago, mannc said:

Hawkins won't be available in round 5, but if he is, great.  I'm guessing he comes off the board no later than round 3.  

 

The one element that's missing from the Bills' offense is speed.  Even Diggs is not a burner.  They need at least one more playmaker who is a homerun threat every time he gets the ball and I think adding one at RB makes sense, especially if it's in the third round or later.  I think they should also be looking to add someone like Dyami Brown, Elijah Moore or Rondale Moore at WR for the same reason.

To the 2nd part of your post, I agree.  I’ve been saying exactly that for the last 4 months.  

[Blokestradamus]

14 minutes ago, mannc said:

Hawkins won't be available in round 5, but if he is, great.  I'm guessing he comes off the board no later than round 3. 

 

I quite like Javian as a receiving back and a return man but round 3 would be way too early for me. Not sure how he's getting on the field as a rookie when his pass pro skills are so underdeveloped.

[H2o]

3 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said:

 

I quite like Javian as a receiving back and a return man but round 3 would be way too early for me. Not sure how he's getting on the field as a rookie when his pass pro skills are so underdeveloped.

5th-6th Round seems more likely where Hawkins falls to me, but the kid is electric with the ball in his hands. There's a reason he got the nickname "PlayStation".

[mannc]

27 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I got another $25 to your $25 that says Hawkins is taken in after our pick in rd 3.  😃

 

OK, but the bet is that Hawkins is gone by the end of day 2, in other words round 3 or sooner.   

[Blokestradamus]

5 minutes ago, H2o said:

5th-6th Round seems more likely where Hawkins falls to me, but the kid is electric with the ball in his hands. There's a reason he got the nickname "PlayStation".

 

I always struggle with grading guys like him because there's so much to like but, ultimately, you are likely manufacturing touches for him. I do like guys like him that are something different and think every team should have one of those tendency breaker types on their roster.

 

Philosophically, I look at them like I do tight ends. The value of the player is the volume you're willing to trust them with.

[H2o]

2 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said:

 

I always struggle with grading guys like him because there's so much to like but, ultimately, you are likely manufacturing touches for him. I do like guys like him that are something different and think every team should have one of those tendency breaker types on their roster.

 

Philosophically, I look at them like I do tight ends. The value of the player is the volume you're willing to trust them with.

He reminds me of a slightly taller, slightly faster version of Boston Scott. Scott was a 6th Round pick. I don't see anyone taking him before day 3. 

[mannc]

40 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said:

 

I quite like Javian as a receiving back and a return man but round 3 would be way too early for me. Not sure how he's getting on the field as a rookie when his pass pro skills are so underdeveloped.

Look at some of the RBs who have gone in round 3 recently...plenty of guys with less talent than Hawkins...

[NewEra]

30 minutes ago, mannc said:

OK, but the bet is that Hawkins is gone by the end of day 2, in other words round 3 or sooner.   

too many comp picks these days.  My point was that he would be available after we picked in rd 3.  I’ll stick with my free $25 from the other bet 😀

[Sherlock Holmes]

@MAJBobby you won't trade McCaffrey to the Bills

[MAJBobby]

I need about 45 min. In a meeting call will make my pick soon

[stinky finger]

4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I need about 45 min. In a meeting call will make my pick soon

 

Ok, good - I'll be right on your heels.

 

Let's move out!

[MAJBobby]

With the 79th Pick in TSW Mock 2.0 draft the Carolina Panthers Select, Nico Collins, WR Michigan.  The Las Vegas Raiders @inaugural balls are on the clock.

 

Panthers could have gone a couple routes here, however there was a value pick standing out graded 52 on our Board Nico also fills a need for another weapon.  Initially we will us his size at 6-4 215 for immediate help in the Redzone.  After opting out in college, he slipped in drafts, because he needed those reps.  However, already has good body control, hands and contested catch ability.  However the other thing that worried that showed up on tape is inability to separate, however that our scouts have decided it is more to do with sloppy and lazy routes than speed and quickness.   And his proday numbers prove that out with a 4.43 40 and a 6.71 in the three cone.  He has the speed and ability to get open at all levels of the defense.  Has the size, speed to be a WR1.  

 

With that the Panthers wrap up the TSW Mock, they should be quite happy with the results.

 

Micah Parsons, LB - Slots into Mike Competition with Denzel Parryman (moves Shaq Thompson back to WILL) and Hassan Riddick at SAM

Ifeatu Melifonwu, DB - Will immediately push for CB2

Jalen Mayfield, OT - Gregg Little and Moton likely have the spots locked down this year so Jalen will fight for Swing or kick inside to OG unseating Daley or Elflien initially

Nico Collins, WR - WR3 initially with Moore and Anderson likely holding down WR1 and WR2 but will utilize matchup issues in redzone.

2022 1st round pick - Assets 

 

That would be quite a haul for the in flux Panthers through 3 rounds.  Leave some needs that need to be addressed with DT, S, TE.  However will address these in 4-7 depending how draft falls from here on out value for us will be at DT in round 4.  

 

Thanks @Virgil and crew as always these are always fun.

[stinky finger]

With the 80th selection in the 2021 TSW Mock Draft, the Las Vegas Raiders select, Paulson Adebo, CB, Stanford.

 

The Dolphins and the venerable@Bill from NYCare on the clock.

 

The Raiders have made a concerted effort to beef up the defense. Here, we've selecting the tall, ball hawking corner who excels in press coverage. Paulson displays the range and speed we covet and is sorely needed. 

 

Christian Barmore DT

Gregory Rosseau DE

Paulson Adebo CB

 

With the addition of the above 3 players, we feel we're better poised to compete in an ever improving division that possesses some top tier offenses.

 

A shout out to @Virgiland @whatdrought. This truly is a blast! 

[Bill from NYC]

With pick #81, the Dolphins step up to the podium and to the surprise of many, select Shaun Wade - CORNERBACK - Ohio State  University. An explanation is in order.

 

Wade's stock has dropped considerably since the title game because he was toasted several times by Davonta Smith. My contention is that it would have happened to any corner in this draft. The thing is, he also had some good plays and good hits.

 

As some might have guessed, I don't spend much time during the college season evaluating corners. I watch right guards more than corners. I liked some of what I saw of Wade, to include his tackling technique. He is big and strong, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him play safety.  I think that the kid can play football and is a steal this late. @YoloinOhioand @Willyville Guyare in a better position than me to evaluate this selection.

 

 I think that my draft was very good if I do say so myself, to the point that I hope that it doesn't happen.

 

I want extend my thanks to my man @Virgil and @whatdrought, as well as every poster who participated and made this a fun thing to do during these trying times.  

 

@Virgilis on the clock.

 

Edited April 20, 2021 by Bill from NYC

[MAJBobby]

10 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

With pick #81, the Dolphins step up to the podium and to the surprise of many, select Shaun Wade - CORNERBACK - Ohio State  University. An explanation is in order.

 

Wade's stock has dropped considerably since the title game because he was toasted several times by Davonta Smith. My contention is that it would have happened to any corner in this draft. The thing is, he also had some good plays and good hits.

 

As some might have guessed, I don't spend much time during the college season evaluating corners. I watch right guards more than corners. I liked some of what I saw of Wade, to include his tackling technique. He is big and strong, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him play safety.  I think that the kid can play football and is a steal this late. @YoloinOhioand @Willyville Guyare in a better position than me to evaluate this selection.

 

 I think that my draft was very good if I do say so myself, to the point that I hope that it doesn't happen.

 

I want extend my thanks to my man @Virgil and @whatdrought, as well as every poster who participated and made this a fun thing to do during these trying times. 👍🏈

 

@MAJBobbyis on the clock.

 

@Virgil this is your pick I think. Because end of day I only had 1 pick in third. With the trades 

[Bill from NYC]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

@Virgil this is your pick I think. Because end of day I only had 1 pick in third. With the trades 

It is. Sorry, I will edit that.

[YoloinOhio]

9 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

With pick #81, the Dolphins step up to the podium and to the surprise of many, select Shaun Wade - CORNERBACK - Ohio State  University. An explanation is in order.

 

Wade's stock has dropped considerably since the title game because he was toasted several times by Davonta Smith. My contention is that it would have happened to any corner in this draft. The thing is, he also had some good plays and good hits.

 

As some might have guessed, I don't spend much time during the college season evaluating corners. I watch right guards more than corners. I liked some of what I saw of Wade, to include his tackling technique. He is big and strong, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him play safety.  I think that the kid can play football and is a steal this late. @YoloinOhioand @Willyville Guyare in a better position than me to evaluate this selection.

 

 I think that my draft was very good if I do say so myself, to the point that I hope that it doesn't happen.

 

I want extend my thanks to my man @Virgil and @whatdrought, as well as every poster who participated and made this a fun thing to do during these trying times. 👍🏈

 

@MAJBobbyis on the clock.

 

I think that is higher than he will be drafted, but I think he can play slot corner or possibly safety. He’s a high character, intelligent kid with a strong work ethic and very athletic. I could see urban Meyer taking him, as he knows him extremely well, coached him for a couple years and knows exactly what he can and can’t do, and also Shaun is from Jacksonville. Fwiw there is an evaluation from an unnamed nfl scout on a Buckeye insider board and he said “we won’t be drafting him” ... I have a feeling his 2020 film is going to doom him if urban doesn’t pull the trigger. He was injured and the secondary was bad overall, but that’s just what that scout said. 

[GunnerBill]

16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think that is higher than he will be drafted, but I think he can play slot corner or possibly safety. He’s a high character, intelligent kid with a strong work ethic and very athletic. I could see urban Meyer taking him, as he knows him extremely well, coached him for a couple years and knows exactly what he can and can’t do, and also Shaun is from Jacksonville. Fwiw there is an evaluation from an unnamed nfl scout on a Buckeye insider board and he said “we won’t be drafting him” ... I have a feeling his 2020 film is going to doom him if urban doesn’t pull the trigger. He was injured and the secondary was bad overall, but that’s just what that scout said. 

 

I have him pegged 4th / 5th borderline and as a safety. 

[Virgil]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

@Virgil this is your pick I think. Because end of day I only had 1 pick in third. With the trades 

It’s your pick.  I went back and looked.  I only had one 3rd round pick and I made it. 

[Virgil]

The Panthers @MAJBobby are on the clock

[MAJBobby]

5 minutes ago, Virgil said:

The Panthers @MAJBobby are on the clock

After messing up the draft and flow. The Carolina Panthers apologize and with the 82nd pick in the TSW Mock Draft we select, Jay Tufele, DT, USC.  The Bears @LEBills are on the clock. 
 

Three down IDL that will help turn that position into a strength.  Will pair with Brown nicely. And interior pressure galore.  Fast violent hands, can stack double Teams if he learns to keep his pad level lower. 
 

that wraps our draft. 

 

[LEBills]

With the 83rd selection in the 2021 TSW Mock Draft, the Chicago Bears select, Carlos “Boogie” Basham, DL, Wake Forest.

 

The Eagles and @Watkins101 are on the clock.

 

The Bears are very excited to have added CB Greg Newsome, OT Sam Cosmi and DL Carlos Basham. All of which we had graded much higher than where we had selected them. Outside of QB, Cornerback and RT were out two biggest needs and we believe we have filled them with athletic Day 1 starters. Our DLine situation is complicated in that we have Khalil Mack on one side and an underperforming Robert Quinn on the other. We believe Boogie can give us good play early to compliment Mack and grow into a player that can work along the DLine in different pressure packages. 
 

Thank you to everyone for a great time!

[Watkins101]

With the 84th pick of the 2021 NFL draft, the Eagles select Pete Werner, Lb, Ohio State. 
 

We were happy to see Werner at the middle of the third round. He has good size and is athletic, and should be a solid role player at the line backer position.

The Titans @bkep32 are on the clock.

[bkep32]

With the 85th pick of the 2021 TSW Mock Draft 2.0, the Tennessee Titans select - Tutu Atwell - WR, Louisville

 

   We are extremely excited to see Tutu fall to us in the mid of the 3rd round.  We were in talks with multiple teams to try to move up and after those fell through we just sat and waited and prayed we could land this guy.  He brings tremendous speed to the WR position and pair that up with AJ brown might open up some seems for him to blow passed people.  He maybe undersized but his hands are great and can evade tacklers.  He needs to make people miss in space and he does just that.  In todays game and offensive schemes he can be the perfect threat.

 

The Jets @Alphadawg7are on the clock.

[H2o]

40 minutes ago, bkep32 said:

With the 85th pick of the 2021 TSW Mock Draft 2.0, the Tennessee Titans select - Tutu Atwell - WR, Louisville

 

   We are extremely excited to see Tutu fall to us in the mid of the 3rd round.  We were in talks with multiple teams to try to move up and after those fell through we just sat and waited and prayed we could land this guy.  He brings tremendous speed to the WR position and pair that up with AJ brown might open up some seems for him to blow passed people.  He maybe undersized but his hands are great and can evade tacklers.  He needs to make people miss in space and he does just that.  In todays game and offensive schemes he can be the perfect threat.

 

The Jets @Alphadawg7are on the clock.

Tutu is a dead man walking at the size of an 8th Grader out there on the field. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, H2o said:

Tutu is a dead man walking at the size of an 8th Grader out there on the field. 

165lbs.  Bad Things Man

[H2o]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

6 minutes ago, NewEra said:

165lbs.  Bad Things Man

Actually, Tutu weighed in at 149lbs in Indy. My 13 year old is 5'4", weighs 138lbs, and plays for his middle school team as a LB/RB. He's 11lbs less than Tutu. 

Edited April 21, 2021 by H2o

[Blokestradamus]

2 hours ago, bkep32 said:

With the 85th pick of the 2021 TSW Mock Draft 2.0, the Tennessee Titans select - Tutu Atwell - WR, Louisville

 

He was 3 picks away, damn you!!!!!!!

[NewEra]

24 minutes ago, H2o said:

 

Actually, Tutu weighed in at 149lbs in Indy. My 13 year old is 5'4", weighs 138lbs, and plays for his middle school team as a LB/RB. He's 11lbs less than Tutu. 

Did he really?? Lol