Rubes Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 (edited) https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/07/report-multiple-teams-have-interest-in-zach-ertz-with-trade-possible-in-coming-days/ 30-year old 3-time Pro Bowler coming off a down year. Set to make a base salary of $8.25 million next year. No mention of specific teams. Not sure if Beane would trade away picks for Ertz, but it's possible... Edited March 8, 2021 by Rubes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 We're not going after Ertz. I'm not saying Dawson doesn't need someone to push him but I don't see this as a fit. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 He has a $12 million cap hit in 2021 but I think the Eagles retain some of that if they trade him. I would happily give up our 6th, maybe restructure his deal to add a year on and lessen the cap hit this year. Allen would love him which is reason enough for me to seriously consider this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Aussie Joe Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, HappyDays said: He has a $12 million cap hit in 2021 but I think the Eagles retain some of that if they trade him. I would happily give up our 6th, maybe restructure his deal to add a year on and lessen the cap hit this year. Allen would love him which is reason enough for me to seriously consider this. Why would he want to restructure if a team trades for him and they have to pay his $8.25M salary and he hits Free agency next year? I would be furious if the Bills gave up a pick and did that.. Edited March 8, 2021 by Aussie Joe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Gonna release him trying a Hail Mary for a pick. Get a one year deal on the low cap year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Any of these 'interested' teams should just wait out the Iggles. They are so far over the cap that they can't dictate terms. They are going to have to release him, if they can't trade him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 20 minutes ago, Rubes said: I am assuming he meant for a TE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: Any of these 'interested' teams should just wait out the Iggles. They are so far over the cap that they can't dictate terms. They are going to have to release him, if they can't trade him. But then they have to win the bidding war for him. This way, they can get him for what could possibly be a 7th rd pick. Worth it if you think he’s worth 8M a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 18 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Why would he want to restructure if a team trades for him and they have to pay his $8.25M salary and he hits Free agency next year? Because he's 30. He might prefer an extra year or two on his contract with more total guaranteed. I don't typically like trading for players on the last year of their contract but if you do it with an extension built in it makes a ton of sense. Ertz and Knox would be a very good tight end room for 2-3 years. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 18 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Why would he want to restructure if a team trades for him and they have to pay his $8.25M salary and he hits Free agency next year? I would be furious if the Bills gave up a pick and did that.. I fully expect any team that trades for him to give him and extension and try and lessen his cap hit while adding at least a year of control. He’s younger than John Brown and Beasley.....yet some people act as if his career is over 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 For those that don't think Ertz is worth a pick, we're talking about a day 3 pick. If the Bills drafted a TE on day 3 no one would bat an eye. The cap hit really isn't that bad and with Ertz here we could cut John Brown (Ertz would contribute more in the passing game this year, book it). Draft another WR on day 1 or 2, add some speed at RB, and our offense is set in 2021. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Because he's 30. He might prefer an extra year or two on his contract with more total guaranteed. I don't typically like trading for players on the last year of their contract but if you do it with an extension built in it makes a ton of sense. Ertz and Knox would be a very good tight end room for 2-3 years. 1 minute ago, NewEra said: I fully expect any team that trades for him to give him and extension and try and lessen his cap hit while adding at least a year of control. He’s younger than John Brown and Beasley.....yet some people act as if his career is over But he has to agree too right? So the additional money on top of the $8M he gets in 2021 has to be tempting enough to stop him wanting to go through free agency next year when we think the cap is a lot more than 2021... I would be happy to roll the dice that the under the pump Eagles have to release him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: But he has to agree too right? So the additional money on top of the $8M he gets in 2021 has to be tempting enough to stop him wanting to go through free agency next year when we think the cap is a lot more than 2021... I would be happy to roll the dice that the under the pump Eagles have to release him... Who doesn’t like getting paid more money? It comes with more money upfront and players like large sums of cash. You could be right, maybe he wants to test FA and choose his spot for the first time in his career, but being traded to a real contender and getting a boatload of cash upfront is sometimes a welcome situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: But he has to agree too right? So the additional money on top of the $8M he gets in 2021 has to be tempting enough to stop him wanting to go through free agency next year when we think the cap is a lot more than 2021... I would be happy to roll the dice that the under the pump Eagles have to release him... the only players that usually disagree are high end superstars/ I think this guy will respect we want him and work with us. This is the type of player that would work and help teach our current TE a thing or too. If reasonable I would jump all over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: Who doesn’t like getting paid more money? It comes with more money upfront and players like large sums of cash. You could be right, maybe he wants to test FA and choose his spot for the first time in his career, but being traded to a real contender and getting a boatload of cash upfront is sometimes a welcome situation Fair enough.. we will agree to disagree on this one... I wouldnt pay him $8m and a draft pick for the next two years... My preference would be to go with a 1 yr rental on someone like Jared Cook for $2M a year and take a Tommy Tremble in the draft... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 36 minutes ago, Rubes said: This is all that I need to see. Get it done, Beane 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Fair enough.. we will agree to disagree on this one... I wouldnt pay him $8m and a draft pick for the next two years... My preference would be to go with a 1 yr rental on someone like Jared Cook for $2M a year and take a Tommy Tremble in the draft... Jared cook isn’t getting 2M a year tremble will likely have to be taken in rd 2. I’d rather trade a 6th or 7th for Ertz Edited March 8, 2021 by NewEra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 minute ago, NewEra said: Jared cook isn’t getting 2M a year whats he getting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 17 minutes ago, NewEra said: But then they have to win the bidding war for him. This way, they can get him for what could possibly be a 7th rd pick. Worth it if you think he’s worth 8M a year. I considered that but it's the only reason that I would give up an asset for him. I doubt a bidding war is going above his current $8M and if you're paying that on the open market, you're likely getting longer term (maybe a team option) and retaining draft capital. It all depends on how desperate you are to have him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 minute ago, ExWNYer said: I considered that but it's the only reason that I would give up an asset for him. I doubt a bidding war is going above his current $8M and if you're paying that on the open market, you're likely getting longer term (maybe a team option) and retaining draft capital. It all depends on how desperate you are to have him. I respect the heck out of ya but I am with newera on this one. your doing to much if and but crystal ball stuff. In Bean I trust lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said: I respect the heck out of ya but I am with newera on this one. your doing to much if and but crystal ball stuff. In Bean I trust lol I think Beane would rather have the 7th round pick to roll the dice and try to find another Dane Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Just now, PrimeTime101 said: I respect the heck out of ya but I am with newera on this one. your doing to much if and but crystal ball stuff. In Bean I trust lol I get where you guys are coming from but I was hypothesizing in general for anyone interested in him, not just the Bills. You trade for him if you think you absolutely have to have him and don't want to take the chance on him choosing someone else on the open market. Otherwise, hold onto the asset. Philly will not be playing hardball. They are backed into a corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Just now, Aussie Joe said: I think Beane would rather have the 7th round pick to roll the dice and try to find another Dane Jackson yea uh no. That's more like wishful thinking. 7th round pick for a good upgrade at a position of struggle is worth it 1 minute ago, ExWNYer said: I get where you guys are coming from but I was hypothesizing in general for anyone interested in him, not just the Bills. You trade for him if you think you absolutely have to have him and don't want to take the chance on him choosing someone else on the open market. Otherwise, hold onto the asset. Philly will not be playing hardball. They are backed into a corner. again crystal ball.. you nor I don't have a clue what would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Just now, PrimeTime101 said: yea uh no. That's more like wishful thinking. 7th round pick for a good upgrade at a position of struggle is worth it We will see if they trade for Ertz then.. I would be surprised but if they do I'll revisit and give you the approriate kudos.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said: yea uh no. That's more like wishful thinking. 7th round pick for a good upgrade at a position of struggle is worth it again crystal ball.. you nor I don't have a clue what would happen. We'll see what happens. If there truly are eight teams interested in him, then he'll likely get dealt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 I’d be all in on Ertz. The addition of a legitimate pass catching TE could transform this offense. Ertz would instantly be the best TE in the history of this franchise. As sad as that is, it’s true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 11 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: whats he getting? I don’t know, but I bet it’s a least double 2M if it’s a 1 year deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, NewEra said: I don’t know, but I bet it’s a least double 2M if it’s a 1 year deal. Maybe he want to win a SB too before he retires Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 I can see why people look at his stats and want him, but please look how many targets he got in Philly. He will be lucky to see 1/3rd of that here. I have not seen Daboll even remotely interested in tight end routes in this offense minus the inside the 5 yard line touchdown throws. Now if we are saying it’s cause our tight ends are sooooo terrible and daboll will make Ertz a focal part of the pass offense maybe it makes sense. I just think his playbook is mostly built off Allen’s ability to sling it 10-25 yards down the field. I can’t see him making Ertz a big part of the offense within 10 yards which is the only place he’s good for especially at this stage of his career. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 13 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: I considered that but it's the only reason that I would give up an asset for him. I doubt a bidding war is going above his current $8M and if you're paying that on the open market, you're likely getting longer term (maybe a team option) and retaining draft capital. It all depends on how desperate you are to have him. I have no clue how much he would get paid. You have to look at which teams would be interested. If one of the teams that is really interested in Ertz is unlikely to be a favorable destination for him (much like the Bills of the past), they’d have to overpay just to be a consideration. Trading a late round pick, he’s yours and you can work on an extension once he’s your property. two years ago, Jared cook (31 years old at the time) signed a 2 year 15M contract and Ertz >>> Cook imo. people are acting like he’s washed up after his first bad season (in which he was injured and had terrible OL and QB play). Dude had been a top 3-5 TE the previous 5 seasons 1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said: Maybe he want to win a SB too before he retires He already won one. but maybe. I wasn’t talking about this in terms of the bills. I was just stating the reasons why someone would want to trade for him as opposed to waiting for him to be a free agent. my personal opinion about ertz: I’d really love to add another good TE. I don’t feel like 17 trusts knox (for good reason) and that hurts us. I’d be happy if we could trade a 6th-7th for him and extend his contract with favorable team conditions. I hope to be more multidimensional on offense next year and using more 2TE sets. We weren’t able to make teams pay for playing all DBs. That needs to change. I feel a healthy Ertz could help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, NewEra said: He already won one. Cook? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 minute ago, NewEra said: I have no clue how much he would get paid. You have to look at which teams would be interested. If one of the teams that is really interested in Ertz is unlikely to be a favorable destination for him (much like the Bills of the past), they’d have to overpay just to be a consideration. Trading a late round pick, he’s yours and you can work on an extension once he’s your property. two years ago, Jared cook (31 years old at the time) signed a 2 year 15M contract and Ertz >>> Cook imo. people are acting like he’s washed up after his first bad season (in which he was injured and had terrible OL and QB play). Dude had been a top 3-5 TE the previous 5 seasons I don't think he's washed up, far from it. But depending on what he'd cost in terms of both draft capital and salary, that would determine whether or not I'd want him on the Bills. They have a lot of internal decisions to make on many of their own guys. And I'm probably in the minority, but I haven't given up on Knox yet. He is still new to the position and his athletic profile is off the charts. While I've been frustrated with his inconsistent hands, I think he still can improve and grow into the position. Again, I would be happy to get Ertz, if the price is right. I would just prefer to take my chances if he is released but that's just me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 My guess is they'll get a 5th round pick for him. I doubt the Bills do it given their salary cap situation. The only reason I think it's a small possibility is Beane's end of the year press conference comment about needing to get better at the position. He could definitely be a 3rd and short/medium chain mover if the other team puts a good coverage corner on Beasley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I can see why people look at his stats and want him, but please look how many targets he got in Philly. He will be lucky to see 1/3rd of that here. I have not seen Daboll even remotely interested in tight end routes in this offense minus the inside the 5 yard line touchdown throws. Now if we are saying it’s cause our tight ends are sooooo terrible and daboll will make Ertz a focal part of the pass offense maybe it makes sense. I just think his playbook is mostly built off Allen’s ability to sling it 10-25 yards down the field. I can’t see him making Ertz a big part of the offense within 10 yards which is the only place he’s good for especially at this stage of his career. Have you see Dawson knox catch a football? Well, that’s the main reason why you didn’t see many TE targets. it’s not about TE stats. Adding a guy like Ertz is about making our offense less one dimensional. It’s about making teams defend us differently. It’s about giving JA a TE target he can trust. He probably won’t have great stats, but he might have another ring if he becomes a Bill 2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Cook? Oh my bad, was thinking ertz for some reason. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, NewEra said: Have you see Dawson knox catch a football? Well, that’s the main reason why you didn’t see many TE targets. it’s not about TE stats. Adding a guy like Ertz is about making our offense less one dimensional. It’s about making teams defend us differently. It’s about giving JA a TE target he can trust. He probably won’t have great stats, but he might have another ring if he becomes a Bill I mean Kroft looked plenty fine catching the ball and they made him inactive most of the year. Knox is 100% a more difficult matchup for defenses than Ertz because of his athleticism. Ertz is a proven pass catcher so like I said I can understand why people would want him, but I don’t see him as any kind of game changer for this offense or the missing piece to a Super Bowl run. Anyone can catch check downs, IF we had a quarterback who settled for check downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Rubes said: If this was 2015-2019, I'd be all over trading for him. But Ertz is not that player anymore. I'd be OK with signing him on the cheap once released though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Rc2catch said: I mean Kroft looked plenty fine catching the ball and they made him inactive most of the year. Knox is 100% a more difficult matchup for defenses than Ertz because of his athleticism. Ertz is a proven pass catcher so like I said I can understand why people would want him, but I don’t see him as any kind of game changer for this offense or the missing piece to a Super Bowl run. Anyone can catch check downs, IF we had a quarterback who settled for check downs. I don’t disagree. I’m not sure if Ertz can change the dynamics of our offense. If they think he can, than they would pull the trigger for a late rd pick imo. I don’t agree that “anyone can catch a check down”. After watching the bills play in detail this year, one conclusion that I came to: Josh allen doesn’t trust Dawson knox....especially on check I agree knox is a better athlete and can be a problem for the D when he catches the ball. It’s not about ertz being better than knox or replacing him. It’s about having both of them and using their skill sets in 1 and 2TE sets. I hope we don’t plan on Sweeney or Gilliam being our #2TE. We should be trying to acquire another TE 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, NewEra said: I don’t disagree. I’m not sure if Ertz can change the dynamics of our offense. If they think he can, than they would pull the trigger for a late rd pick imo. I don’t agree that “anyone can catch a check down”. After watching the bills play in detail this year, one conclusion that I came to: Josh allen doesn’t trust Dawson knox....especially on check I agree knox is a better athlete and can be a problem for the D when he catches the ball. It’s not about ertz being better than knox or replacing him. It’s about having both of them and using their skill sets in 1 and 2TE sets. I hope we don’t plan on Sweeney or Gilliam being our #2TE. We should be trying to acquire another TE I can’t see any scenario where they don’t add a veteran tight end in free agency. No chance they’re rolling with those 3 only. I just don’t know it’ll be splashy like Jonnu Smith or the other top free agents. Which might be a good thing as far as our long term finances. Don’t want to take on another Charles Clay like contract and then not get the production with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I can’t see any scenario where they don’t add a veteran tight end in free agency. No chance they’re rolling with those 3 only. I just don’t know it’ll be splashy like Jonnu Smith or the other top free agents. Which might be a good thing as far as our long term finances. Don’t want to take on another Charles Clay like contract and then not get the production with it. They need to likely bring in 2 guys to replace Kroft and Smith... I could see them bringing in a cheaper Vet for a year and then taking a swing in the draft on a Day 2 pick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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