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Havent seen this posted elsewhere and thought it was an interesting discussion... Goes for the first 30 minutes

 

 

Some takeaways...

 

- Mike was not loving  Beane's first big FA deal which was the Star signing

- Positive about Beane's overall handling of the Bills last 4 years

- Thinks Beane is not a "'restructure fan"  - and he doesnt think Beane will entertain this with Brown...  I dont agree as he has given paycuts to the likes of Star and Kroft previously... 

- He predicts that Addison and Jefferson will be retained until June to see what happens in the draft.. although this goes out the door if they get Watt 

- Says the success of Diggs in 2020 and his relationship with JA will be a great example to other potential free agents joining the Bills

- Depressingly thinks Williams is be best RT on the FA market this year and that someone might offer him $12M a year 

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21 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Havent seen this posted elsewhere and thought it was an interesting discussion... Goes for the first 30 minutes

 

 

Some takeaways...

 

- Mike was not loving  Beane's first big FA deal which was the Star signing

- Positive about Beane's overall handling of the Bills last 4 years

- Thinks Beane is not a "'restructure fan"  - and he doesnt think Beane will entertain this with Brown...  I dont agree as he has given paycuts to the likes of Star and Kroft previously... 

- He predicts that Addison and Jefferson will be retained until June to see what happens in the draft.. although this goes out the door if they get Watt 

- Says the success of Diggs in 2020 and his relationship with JA will be a great example to other potential free agents joining the Bills

- Depressingly thinks Williams is be best RT on the FA market this year and that someone might offer him $12M a year 

Feel they need to release either or both of Addison and Star to be able to afford a premier pass rusher in FA.... so not sure holding onto them till June makes any sense. 

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10 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Feel they need to release either or both of Addison and Star to be able to afford a premier pass rusher in FA.... so not sure holding onto them till June makes any sense. 

I don’t think they can release Star.  We need him not to retire too.  With the restructure they did pre Covid the cap hit is over $10 M.  I think.

 

I think we need him to play and be in shape after taking the year off.

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23 minutes ago, Manther said:

I don’t think they can release Star.  We need him not to retire too.  With the restructure they did pre Covid the cap hit is over $10 M.  I think.

 

I think we need him to play and be in shape after taking the year off.


Can’t underestimate how big 2021 is for Star.   Bills need him to be ready and play at his best.   If that happens this defense will improve. 

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1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said:

Havent seen this posted elsewhere and thought it was an interesting discussion... Goes for the first 30 minutes

 

 

Some takeaways...

 

- Mike was not loving  Beane's first big FA deal which was the Star signing

- Positive about Beane's overall handling of the Bills last 4 years

- Thinks Beane is not a "'restructure fan"  - and he doesnt think Beane will entertain this with Brown...  I dont agree as he has given paycuts to the likes of Star and Kroft previously... 

- He predicts that Addison and Jefferson will be retained until June to see what happens in the draft.. although this goes out the door if they get Watt 

- Says the success of Diggs in 2020 and his relationship with JA will be a great example to other potential free agents joining the Bills

- Depressingly thinks Williams is be best RT on the FA market this year and that someone might offer him $12M a year 


I agree with all of this.  I hated the Star signing, but I really like what Beane has done overall.

 

I do not consider a pay cut a true “restructure” so I’d agree with him thus far.  Though it might simply be that Beane hasn’t really needed to do any true restructures yet.

 

Agree on the Addison, Jefferson and Diggs comments.  And I’ve been saying that Williams will be looking for a Conklin contract and should come fairly close to it.  Conklin makes $14M per year for 3 years so $12M for Williams is definitely in the ballpark. 

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2 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Havent seen this posted elsewhere and thought it was an interesting discussion... Goes for the first 30 minutes

 

 

Some takeaways...

 

- Mike was not loving  Beane's first big FA deal which was the Star signing

- Positive about Beane's overall handling of the Bills last 4 years

- Thinks Beane is not a "'restructure fan"  - and he doesnt think Beane will entertain this with Brown...  I dont agree as he has given paycuts to the likes of Star and Kroft previously... 

- He predicts that Addison and Jefferson will be retained until June to see what happens in the draft.. although this goes out the door if they get Watt 

- Says the success of Diggs in 2020 and his relationship with JA will be a great example to other potential free agents joining the Bills

- Depressingly thinks Williams is be best RT on the FA market this year and that someone might offer him $12M a year 

Couple of points from my 20 minutes of analysis- only restructures that makes sense are Diggs, who saves us 7, and Dawkins, who can save us 5, as far as getting us under the cap, everyone else we would be better off cutting or trading. 

I don't think there is anyway Jefferson and Butler are on team next year since that would be 35 million on 4 DT who are not special.

Lastly I don't think Williams gets 12 a year, especially this year. I would guess more likely 3 years at 8 million per year. He had a great year but his qb made up for a lot of issues 

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1 hour ago, Manther said:

I don’t think they can release Star.  We need him not to retire too.  With the restructure they did pre Covid the cap hit is over $10 M.  I think.

 

I think we need him to play and be in shape after taking the year off.

 

The league should cut teams a break for COVID opt outs who retire. Have a special break.

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21 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Couple of points from my 20 minutes of analysis- only restructures that makes sense are Diggs, who saves us 7, and Dawkins, who can save us 5, as far as getting us under the cap, everyone else we would be better off cutting or trading. 

I don't think there is anyway Jefferson and Butler are on team next year since that would be 35 million on 4 DT who are not special.

Lastly I don't think Williams gets 12 a year, especially this year. I would guess more likely 3 years at 8 million per year. He had a great year but his qb made up for a lot of issues 

Obviously, we'll find out later what Williams will get, but I have little doubt that he'll get more than 8m per year.   Tackle is still a premier position because it's highly visible and protects the QB.  It's not just that Williams had one good year, he was a former All Pro player who struggled coming back from major injury.  He clearly showed that he is back to being a highly productive player.  I think someone will pay him a fistfull more than us. 

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38 minutes ago, Mark Long Beach said:

Obviously, we'll find out later what Williams will get, but I have little doubt that he'll get more than 8m per year.   Tackle is still a premier position because it's highly visible and protects the QB.  It's not just that Williams had one good year, he was a former All Pro player who struggled coming back from major injury.  He clearly showed that he is back to being a highly productive player.  I think someone will pay him a fistfull more than us. 

I had forgotten he was a all pro, I just remembered he was not good in 2019. Good point.

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1 hour ago, RichRiderBills said:

The league should cut teams a break for COVID opt outs who retire. Have a special break.

 

If he retires, he should forfeit his prorated bonus.

2 hours ago, First Round Bust said:

spotrac versus over the cap...comparisons, likes-dislikes, comments, preferences...what say you ?  

 

I use them both.  Each of them has strong and weak points.

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3 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Havent seen this posted elsewhere and thought it was an interesting discussion... Goes for the first 30 minutes

 

 

Some takeaways...

 

- Mike was not loving  Beane's first big FA deal which was the Star signing

- Positive about Beane's overall handling of the Bills last 4 years

- Thinks Beane is not a "'restructure fan"  - and he doesnt think Beane will entertain this with Brown...  I dont agree as he has given paycuts to the likes of Star and Kroft previously... 

- He predicts that Addison and Jefferson will be retained until June to see what happens in the draft.. although this goes out the door if they get Watt 

- Says the success of Diggs in 2020 and his relationship with JA will be a great example to other potential free agents joining the Bills

- Depressingly thinks Williams is be best RT on the FA market this year and that someone might offer him $12M a year 


it’s gotten better but a lot on the board don’t use restructure in the same meaning as most of the league. 
 

a pay cut is a pay cut, but restructure almost always refers to converting salary to bonus to reduce current year cap at expense of future flexibility 

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3 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Havent seen this posted elsewhere and thought it was an interesting discussion... Goes for the first 30 minutes

 

 

Some takeaways...

 

- Mike was not loving  Beane's first big FA deal which was the Star signing

- Positive about Beane's overall handling of the Bills last 4 years

- Thinks Beane is not a "'restructure fan"  - and he doesnt think Beane will entertain this with Brown...  I dont agree as he has given paycuts to the likes of Star and Kroft previously... 

- He predicts that Addison and Jefferson will be retained until June to see what happens in the draft.. although this goes out the door if they get Watt 

- Says the success of Diggs in 2020 and his relationship with JA will be a great example to other potential free agents joining the Bills

- Depressingly thinks Williams is be best RT on the FA market this year and that someone might offer him $12M a year 

 

 

The Star signing was roundly viewed as the worst FA deal handed out in the NFL in 2018........even then it was a travesty.

 

Appropriately the Bills are still being punished for astonishingly paying a $2M player $10M instead of a typical free agent overpay like giving that player $4M.

 

Trent Murphy deal was bad.......eating Corey Coleman's $3.5M for 2 weeks of camp.........Kelvin Benjamin's $10M cap hit........wheew.......Beane strung together some seriously bad deals in a little over a year as GM.

 

But he's improved consistently in a number of areas,  assigning value and executing deals are one of them.    

 

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Beane has made mistakes. But give him credit for the overall state of the program. Buffalo is relevant in the NFL. We have a top 5 QB. A guy no one thought would make it. Beane is good. Really good 😀

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24 minutes ago, Paul Costa said:

Beane has made mistakes. But give him credit for the overall state of the program. Buffalo is relevant in the NFL. We have a top 5 QB. A guy no one thought would make it. Beane is good. Really good 😀

For every bad decision Brandon makes, he makes 2 good ones. I can live with that ratio. I'd still try to sign Williams even if it means 11-12mil. And I think Diggs and Dawkins would consider a restructure. If by some act of God Watt comes to Buffalo it will require Addison, Murphy, Butler and Jefferson to be dismissed.  And that goes for Milano too. I want a better front 4 even if its slightly at the expense of a LB.

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Williams is worth doing our best to keep him.  It’s not easy to find a quality RT.  As far as Beane, since his arrival we’ve made the playoffs three times, ended the drought, won the East for the first in 25 years, and made the championship game.  I think it’s safe to say the professionals think he was the best GM in the league this year.

 

Aussie, thanks as I like Ginetti.  Both OTC and Spotrac are a real value to NFL fans, and provide good info. in making decisions as to value of players, etc.

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