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1 hour ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I also didn't realize that Wentz has zero dead cap after 2021. I figured since he was on a huge extension he had some dead money in 2022. But no, the Eagles structured that contract in such a fantastic way. They basically had two years of huge dead money and then nothing. 


 

It was not that Philadelphia structured the contract well - because they did not in fact structure it well at all.  It is the fact that the huge signing/roster bonus stays with Philadelphia and accelerates.  It does not follow Wentz to Indy.  Philadelphia would have been way better off having yearly guaranteed roster bonuses that went with the contract instead of the upfront signing bonus.

 

34 million in guaranteed money stayed in Philadelphia and is the only thing that makes this palatable for Indy.

 

This kills Philadelphia, but for just 1 year as all of that money hits in 2021.

 

Indy is protected because after paying the guaranteed 25 million in salary for 2021 - they have the option of cutting him for limited investment and only losing the draft picks.

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So here’s my thought:    Frank Reich was there in what has been revealed to be a very dysfunctional situation. He saw how it went, and he knew who Wentz was. If he’s saying that he can recov

I think this move tells me the Jets may be set with Sam Darnold because, even though I know more QB's are available, I thought Darnold had Colts written all over him. In fact, I'd rather have Darnold

good trade for the Colts.  They didn’t give up much.

1 hour ago, MrSarcasm said:

Hurtz for the year had 6TDs and 4 picks with a 52% completion percentage.

 

Wentz had 16 TDs and 14 picks with a 62% completion percentage.

 

Safe to say neither looked good, which might have something to do with the above mentioned.

 

 

The Eagles are likely going to be bringing in another QB option.       Hurts isn't much of a threat passing

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This could be either a move that makes Reich a hero or it could ultimately cost him his job in Indy. For right now I’m leaning toward the latter. But if that happens I would think we would welcome him back with open arms lol

Just now, BuffaloBills1998 said:

This could be a move that makes Reich a hero or it could ultimately cost him his job in Indy. For right now I’m leaning toward the latter. But if that happens I would think we would welcome him back with open arms lol

 

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56 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:


 

It was not that Philadelphia structured the contract well - because they did not in fact structure it well at all.  It is the fact that the huge signing/roster bonus stays with Philadelphia and accelerates.  It does not follow Wentz to Indy.  Philadelphia would have been way better off having yearly guaranteed roster bonuses that went with the contract instead of the upfront signing bonus.

 

34 million in guaranteed money stayed in Philadelphia and is the only thing that makes this palatable for Indy.

 

This kills Philadelphia, but for just 1 year as all of that money hits in 2021.

 

Indy is protected because after paying the guaranteed 25 million in salary for 2021 - they have the option of cutting him for limited investment and only losing the draft picks.

 

I would have to check but I don't think you can pre-pay a roster bonus for years down the line. So you are asking Wentz in that scenario to take less new money up front. The big signing bonus is invariably cos the players want money up front.  

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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I would have to check but I don't think you can pre-pay a roster bonus for years down the line. So you are asking Wentz in that scenario to take less new money up front. The big signing bonus is invariably cos the players want money up front.  


 

Totally agree - I am just saying that for that to have been a good deal for Philadelphia- a contract similar to Mahomes with almost all the money tied up in roster bonuses would have been better.

 

For Wentz (and most players) the signing bonus is key as they get that money immediately.  It is also the money that becomes dead in Philadelphia, but makes the Indy side look better.

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9 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Yeah, because he’s got an All World arm and has the arm strength to throw the ball all over the field.  Goff doesn’t have that.  At 43, Brady wins because he can still make all the throws and but mostly because he’s a once in a century team leader at the QB position.  

On Brady that’s so true how many years has this guy played with a bad oline don’t many I think most part is they go all out for him it’s crazy the time he usually has in the pocket 

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1 hour ago, Old Coot said:

Well I'll be hornswoggled.  I never thought that the eagles would eat 33 mill in dead cap space.  Looks like they plan on doing a complete tear-down and rebuild.

Literally with one word, you’ve vaulted yourself into the running for post of the day. Congratulations!;)

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Where I think the sellers(Detroit) won that trade I think the buyers won this one.

 

The only way Philly gets a first is if Wentz is moderately successful because he won't be playing those snaps if he isn't.

 

Only giving up a 3rd this year and a late 2nd or a 1st next year for a starting QB is a steal.

 

Carson has to feel better mentally already but I would be getting a good sports psychologist on the horn to arrange a few sessions.

 

If Indy's line gives him the protection Phil the Thrill got he should have a  very good year.

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2 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

Where I think the sellers(Detroit) won that trade I think the buyers won this one.

 

The only way Philly gets a first is if Wentz is moderately successful because he won't be playing those snaps if he isn't.

 

Only giving up a 3rd this year and a late 2nd or a 1st next year for a starting QB is a steal.

 

Carson has to feel better mentally already but I would be getting a good sports psychologist on the horn to arrange a few sessions.

 

If Indy's line gives him the protection Phil the Thrill got he should have a  very good year.

Much of that has to do with Wentz being as adept at calling protections as Rivers was. Rivers was seldom fooled by anything defenses did. 

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On 2/19/2021 at 3:31 PM, prissythecat said:

 

The Eagles are likely going to be bringing in another QB option.       Hurts isn't much of a threat passing

He had over 300 passing yards in 2 of his 4 starts, something Allen didn’t get until this year. I do think they bring in another qb but he definitely had some good moments on a crappy Philly offense.  I think they can win with him. He’s a gamer. 

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3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He had over 300 passing yards in 2 of his 4 starts, something Allen didn’t get until this year. I do think they bring in another qb but he definitely had some good moments on a crappy Philly offense.  I think they can win with him. He’s a gamer. 

 

Perhaps.  But I recall EJ also being labeled as a gamer...

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On 2/20/2021 at 5:52 PM, gobills404 said:

The article is garbage (obviously) so don't click the link and give them any revenue.

 

Wouldn't it have made more sense to just not post it?

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5 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

 

Perhaps.  But I recall EJ also being labeled as a gamer...

As someone who defended EJ (I liked his makeup and thoughts he was developed terrible here), he never came close to doing what Hurts did in college. Dude was very good for Oklahoma and was an upgrade to Wentz last year. 

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19 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He had over 300 passing yards in 2 of his 4 starts, something Allen didn’t get until this year. I do think they bring in another qb but he definitely had some good moments on a crappy Philly offense.  I think they can win with him. He’s a gamer. 


I liked him at times, but the biggest question for them is if they like him more than what they can get at 6. I don’t really see Hurts being more or less a sure thing than say, Fields or Lance, so I’d probably stick with Hurts and try and get someone who can help him. 
 

That being said- that whole team is a trash fire these days.

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14 minutes ago, whatdrought said:


I liked him at times, but the biggest question for them is if they like him more than what they can get at 6. I don’t really see Hurts being more or less a sure thing than say, Fields or Lance, so I’d probably stick with Hurts and try and get someone who can help him. 
 

That being said- that whole team is a trash fire these days.

 

Lance and Fields both have better chances to be good NFL Quarterbacks than Hurts. And I say that as someone who liked Jalen Hurts more than most coming out. 

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38 minutes ago, whatdrought said:


I liked him at times, but the biggest question for them is if they like him more than what they can get at 6. I don’t really see Hurts being more or less a sure thing than say, Fields or Lance, so I’d probably stick with Hurts and try and get someone who can help him. 
 

That being said- that whole team is a trash fire these days.

For sure. I actually I was worried about Hurts as a nfl guy but he had some really good moments passing the ball and the Eagles have one of the worst receiving cores in the league. But if you think Fields or Lance has higher upside, you gotta take them. If I was running, I work commit to Hurts for a year and upgrade the team around him before moving on. 

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