Today we settle all family business...

[JMF2006]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Will agree with all others, but year 1-3 there was no if's and or buts that he wanted to win games 17-13 and they were terrible on offense 30,29 & 24th.  I've also praised him for figuring it out this year.

 

The Process is Bull....  Good coaching, ethic and management.  

 

I'm a Toronto Raptors fan....  Thankfully I never had to hear the word Process.  Drives me crazy.

 

 

 

When you don't have the pieces to win a shoot out you settle for just winning any way you can

 

Now the Bills can win any way they want and thats nice to have as a HC.

 

Trust the Process

Edited January 18, 2021 by JMF2006

[GunnerBill]

47 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said:

Why the hell is Corey Bojorquez still on this team!? He will lose games for us.

 

I will hold my hands up to this one. This will be the first offseason in 3 I don't have Bojo "on the bubble". He hasn't had to punt much but there has only been one horrible "WTF" shank moment and he has definitely improved as a holder and ball spinner for FGs. Bojo has had a really good year. He is our punter for the foreseeable I think. And it wasn't only me who felt like that... the Bills have tried to bring in legit competition the past two offseasons. I bet this year they just sign a UDFA punter and release him at the end of camp and there is never a "competition". 

[Gen2]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Will agree with all others, but year 1-3 there was no if's and or buts that he wanted to win games 17-13 and they were terrible on offense 30,29 & 24th.  I've also praised him for figuring it out this year.

 

 

Could it be that the players on offense stunk and our only option was to play it close to the vest and hope the defense can prevent our opponents from scoring more points than we did?

Could it be that McD had it figured out all along, and the increase of our offensive performance (and his willingness to take risks) is directly proportional to the increase of the quality of his players on the field?

 

I honestly believe his "blueprint" for building the Bills was to incrementally increase the skill level of each position group little by little while devising game plans each week to use the players we had/have to the best of their abilities. 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, JMF2006 said:

 

When you don't have the pieces to win a shoot out you settle for just winning any way you can

 

No the Bills can win any way they want and thats nice to have as a HC.

 

Exactly. If we were throwing it around the yard with Tyrod as our Quarterback we'd have been a 4 win football team. 

[Rico]

2 hours ago, eball said:

I believe the time is now to put to rest some of the more prominent “truths” that have been spoken, here and elsewhere, regarding the McDermott and Beane Bills.  Feel free to add to the list as you see fit.

 

• It was a colossal mistake not to draft Mahomes in 2017 that will forever haunt the franchise and McD’s legacy
• McD is a defensive coach who wants to win games 17-13 and doesn’t understand offense
• Beane doesn’t know how to evaluate offensive talent
• Anyone can see Josh Allen won’t be a successful NFL QB because of his college stats
• AcCuRacY for a QB can’t be improved
• McD is Belichick’s b-i-t-c-h
• McD can’t beat good teams
• McD can’t win in the playoffs
• ”The Process” is b.s. and culture doesn’t matter in the NFL
• McD is a terrible game day coach
• Diggs is a diva and Beane gave up too much

 

Edit:  forgot a big one:

 

• Daboll is a terrible OC

 

A common thread among these frequently uttered takes is the notion that players/coaches/GMs "are who they are" and are therefore incapable of growth, learning, and development.  It's a fatally flawed and pessimistic way of looking at humanity.

 

Time to unite as Bills Mafia behind this amazing team and organization, and recognize that many/most “hot takes” are just that.

 

Cheers and GO BILLS!!!

 

 

Nice post.... goes hand-in-hand though with all the nonsense I read in here during the drought years. 

[Antonio]

McD and the coaching staff are incapable of adjusting at half time. 

[BuffaloBills1998]

2 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Why bring up the past? 

 

But

 

Losman was better then Edwards

I would argue with you on that. Edwards before his injury was way better than Losman. At least Edwards cared and wanted to improve where as Losman really didn’t care much

[Matt_In_NH]

2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

'AcCuRacY'.

 

Can we discuss what's wrong with your keyboard? 🤔

It’s an inaccurate keyboard.  He will have to buy a new one because inaccurate keyboards never get better 

[Don Otreply]

15 minutes ago, TroutDog said:

I truly don’t think many are embarrassed or willing to grow and change how they view these things. The knee-jerking will continue. Ugh. 

It stems from many people topping out intellectually in their junior year of high school. 
 

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

7 minutes ago, mattynh said:

It’s an inaccurate keyboard.  He will have to buy a new one because inaccurate keyboards never get better 

Ah!  Thank you for the explanation, I have seen that style of typing and was never sure what the author was trying to convey.  There have been a lot of those the past few years. 🤔

[eball]

14 minutes ago, Rico said:

Nice post.... goes hand-in-hand though with all the nonsense I read in here during the drought years. 

 

And as I've said many times...there's a difference between being a fan and hoping things will work out, and actually predicting success.  Reasonable fans hoping for success during the drought were repeatedly and consistently mocked and ridiculed when most of us already knew the team/organization was bad.

[Rico]

5 minutes ago, eball said:

 

And as I've said many times...there's a difference between being a fan and hoping things will work out, and actually predicting success.  Reasonable fans hoping for success during the drought were repeatedly and consistently mocked and ridiculed when most of us already knew the team/organization was bad.

Hoping was one thing, but defending the indefensible was another.

 

Regardless, I will say:

Thank you McD!

Thank you Beane!

Bless you Pegs!

and ***** everyone that came before you!

 

[Rico]

4 minutes ago, Rico said:

Hoping was one thing, but defending the indefensible was another.

 

Regardless, I will say:

Thank you McD!

Thank you Beane!

Bless you Pegs!

and ***** everyone that came before you!

 

Let me qualify this,

***** everyone from the drought years (still love Polian, et all).

[MJS]

People just make snap judgements. They are often unwilling to change their opinions until they have been thoroughly embarrassed. They point to the few times their snap judgements happened to be correct as justification.

 

The way to guard against this is to keep an open mind, give the benefit of the doubt, and to not make final, unequivocal statements (especially in game day threads).

[RyanC883]

It is possible that some of the items mentioned were correct when written, but no longer true.  

 

 

[dollars 2 donuts]

Please add:

 

• eball is a nut job for thinking the Bills can win 12 games, let alone 12+.

Edited January 18, 2021 by dollars 2 donuts

[Matt_In_NH]

4 minutes ago, MJS said:

People just make snap judgements. They are often unwilling to change their opinions until they have been thoroughly embarrassed. They point to the few times their snap judgements happened to be correct as justification.

 

The way to guard against this is to keep an open mind, give the benefit of the doubt, and to not make final, unequivocal statements (especially in game day threads).

Most of the time you can be correct, for instance if you just poopoo every QB coming out of college, you will almost always be "right"

[MJS]

Just now, mattynh said:

Most of the time you can be correct, for instance if you just poopoo every QB coming out of college, you will almost always be "right"

Well that used to be what you could do with the Bills. Just criticize every move they make, because you knew eventually they would screw it up.

 

But that mentality doesn't work anymore, so fans and media have exercise a little more critical thinking.

[ExiledInIllinois]

2 hours ago, DallasBillsFan1 said:

Would have been fun watching this Bills team vs the Patriots with Tom Brady.

Well... We might see them in Bucs uniform!

[Greybeard]

    Marv Levy's statement seems appropriate here.   "Once a coach starts listening to the fans and the media, he will soon become one."

 

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

27 minutes ago, Rico said:

Let me qualify this,

***** everyone from the drought years (still love Polian, et all).

Too late!  "Get out of town!" 😁

[eball]

44 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

Please add:

 

• eball is a nut job for thinking the Bills can win 12 games, let alone 12+.

 

I also said Saturday's game wouldn't be all that stressful in the 4th quarter...just sayin'

[BADOLBILZ]

 

@eball Can family business be resolved before you repent for dropping your 27 year season tickets in frustration in the offseason when McDermott was hired?

 

This thread may need psychoanalysis.

 

Any hot take brought up that has been or seems extinguished in this thread comes down to one thing............ the drafting and maturation of Josh Allen.

 

The Bills don't have the best roster or cap situation in the league........sometimes they are still going to get outcoached at very inconvenient times(see two weeks ago)........players, coaches and personnel people just look A LOT smarter when they have one of the top 3 QB's in the entire league on their side.

 

And that's what Josh Allen is right now.

 

Why not bring up "wrong Josh"........ perhaps because you were a "wrong Josh" guy?

 

Put this team and 2019 Josh Allen up against this schedule and the season would have been over in plenty of time for "loyal" fans to take a few games off before Xmas.🤭

 

As @Rico implied every time a regime changed were we subjected to someone posting something like this to call Donahoe/Greggo/Jauron/Chan/Buddy/Whaley etc.. apologists out?    No.   We just mocked you guys individually.😙

 

Edited January 18, 2021 by BADOLBILZ

[Matt_In_NH]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I will hold my hands up to this one. This will be the first offseason in 3 I don't have Bojo "on the bubble". He hasn't had to punt much but there has only been one horrible "WTF" shank moment and he has definitely improved as a holder and ball spinner for FGs. Bojo has had a really good year. He is our punter for the foreseeable I think. And it wasn't only me who felt like that... the Bills have tried to bring in legit competition the past two offseasons. I bet this year they just sign a UDFA punter and release him at the end of camp and there is never a "competition". 

Maybe, not sure he is definitely the long term solution.....and if he is he will get paid decently as a punter.  Competition is always good to bring in for a a guy like a punter, if you can find a rookie who performs well on rookie type deal you can safe yourself.  The cap will become an issue once Josh gets his deal.

[dollars 2 donuts]

47 minutes ago, eball said:

 

I also said Saturday's game wouldn't be all that stressful in the 4th quarter...just sayin'

 

eball I missed that...and that is awesome.  I wish I would have caught that.  

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

Well that used to be what you could do with the Bills. Just criticize every move they make, because you knew eventually they would screw it up.

 

But that mentality doesn't work anymore, so fans and media have exercise a little more critical thinking.

 

See this is true. But actually a lot of those moves were criticised at the time because they were bad. It wasn't just easy, often it came with critical thinking attached. It was right. We made a litany of awful moves. The nadir was the Pegulas hiring Rex Ryan. A disaster so predictable in its awfulness. 

 

Luckily two years later they made a great decision on McDermott and the trajectory of this organisation changed.

[Rico]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

See this is true. But actually a lot of those moves were criticised at the time because they were bad. It wasn't just easy, often it came with critical thinking attached. It was right. We made a litany of awful moves. The nadir was the Pegulas hiring Rex Ryan. A disaster so predictable in its awfulness. 

 

Luckily two years later they made a great decision on McDermott and the trajectory of this organisation changed.

Rex hire wasn’t the nadir, just the beginning of the end. That move ended up being a big wake-up call for Pegs to toss all of Ralph’s trash to the curb, and here we are. Once again, bless you Pegs.

[MJS]

14 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

See this is true. But actually a lot of those moves were criticised at the time because they were bad. It wasn't just easy, often it came with critical thinking attached. It was right. We made a litany of awful moves. The nadir was the Pegulas hiring Rex Ryan. A disaster so predictable in its awfulness. 

 

Luckily two years later they made a great decision on McDermott and the trajectory of this organisation changed.

Oh, I agree. There were plenty of bad moves to criticize.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Rico said:

Rex hire wasn’t the nadir, just the beginning of the end. That move ended up being a big wake-up call for Pegs to toss all of Ralph’s trash to the curb, and here we are. Once again, bless you Pegs.

 

Oh no. It was the worst of all the moves. 

[Rico]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Oh no. It was the worst of all the moves. 

If he would’ve dumped Russ Brandon Day 1, he wouldn’t have hired Rex.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Rico said:

If he would’ve dumped Russ Brandon Day 1, he wouldn’t have hired Rex.

 

He would. Rex was Terry's choice. 

[Rico]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He would. Rex was Terry's choice. 

I’m not sure if he gets an interview without support from the Stooges.

 

In any event, Ralph and all things Ralph were by far the biggest problem.

[BADOLBILZ]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Oh no. It was the worst of all the moves. 

 

 

You and @Rico are both right.

 

Rex was like Jauron and Gailey rolled into one..........a conservative gameday coach but with a totally undisciplined, unaccountable culture.

 

Too many Bills fans......especially the younger ones......... ate that sh*t up..........it was their dream to have a bunch of irreverent leaders the likes of Stevie Johnson and Rex lead the organization to a SB.    But if they couldn't do that.......as long as they could break the rules that would suffice!    The birth of the Bills mafia moniker was defending absolute nonsense from SJ13 so Rex was a perfect counter-culture fit for the dysfunctional organization.

 

All that being said........it hasn't been one home run after another in decision making at OBD since McD arrived.........especially the first two years there were a ton of bad ones..........but when you get a top of the league QB you just may end up with situations where people can justify 3 years of big money to Trent Murphy by pointing out that he made an excellent play in a playoff game.  

 

 

[TheCockSportif]

7 hours ago, eball said:

I believe the time is now to put to rest some of the more prominent “truths” that have been spoken, here and elsewhere, regarding the McDermott and Beane Bills.  Feel free to add to the list as you see fit.

 

• It was a colossal mistake not to draft Mahomes in 2017 that will forever haunt the franchise and McD’s legacy
• McD is a defensive coach who wants to win games 17-13 and doesn’t understand offense
• Beane doesn’t know how to evaluate offensive talent
• Anyone can see Josh Allen won’t be a successful NFL QB because of his college stats
• AcCuRacY for a QB can’t be improved
• McD is Belichick’s b-i-t-c-h
• McD can’t beat good teams
• McD can’t win in the playoffs
• ”The Process” is b.s. and culture doesn’t matter in the NFL
• McD is a terrible game day coach
• Diggs is a diva and Beane gave up too much

 

Edit:  forgot a big one:

 

• Daboll is a terrible OC

 

A common thread among these frequently uttered takes is the notion that players/coaches/GMs "are who they are" and are therefore incapable of growth, learning, and development.  It's a fatally flawed and pessimistic way of looking at humanity.

 

Time to unite as Bills Mafia behind this amazing team and organization, and recognize that many/most “hot takes” are just that.

 

Cheers and GO BILLS!!!

 

 

Up to this point in the season I've gotten a few things wrong, but the season isn't over yet -- so atonement and/or owning things that I got wrong seems premature at this juncture.

 

Having written that, two things:

1. Can this thread keep rolling until the Bills finish their run this season?
2. This team has *far* exceeded where I thought they would be in mid January 2021.

[Buffalo Boy]

5 hours ago, TroutDog said:

I truly don’t think many are embarrassed or willing to grow and change how they view these things. The knee-jerking will continue. Ugh. 

THAT’S NOT A KNEE😱

[Rico]

6 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You and @Rico are both right.

 

Rex was like Jauron and Gailey rolled into one..........a conservative gameday coach but with a totally undisciplined, unaccountable culture.

 

Too many Bills fans......especially the younger ones......... ate that sh*t up..........it was their dream to have a bunch of irreverent leaders the likes of Stevie Johnson and Rex lead the organization to a SB.    But if they couldn't do that.......as long as they could break the rules that would suffice!    The birth of the Bills mafia moniker was defending absolute nonsense from SJ13 so Rex was a perfect counter-culture fit for the dysfunctional organization.

 

All that being said........it hasn't been one home run after another in decision making at OBD since McD arrived.........especially the first two years there were a ton of bad ones..........but when you get a top of the league QB you just may end up with situations where people can justify 3 years of big money to Trent Murphy by pointing out that he made an excellent play in a playoff game.  

 

 

It's fun to analyze all the moves. I don't write too much about them when the team is doing good, but I sure do read everyone's takes.

 

To me though, I always look at the bottom line. Playoffs 3 out of 4 years after 17 years of absolute trash... completely reversing the stench of losing & the organization being the laughing stock of the league. And right now, in the AFC Championship game with the arrow pointing straight up... I could not be more happy and pleased with this regime. If drafting & developing Josh is the biggest reason for this, I have no problem with it, not at all.