Codyny13 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Wonder why we don't see this more often then? With D advantages whittled down like they are, you'd think D coordinators, esp. those playing say, the Chiefs, would be all over this? Because if you extend and the receiver counters...they’re gone, especially a receiver like Tyreek Hill. White has the experience and moxy over Claypool. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Just now, Thurman#1 said: The way to counter it is for the WR to get past it. The DB has to come forward. Get past that and the WR is gone. yes if you can bet that jam you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Wonder why we don't see this more often then? With D advantages whittled down like they are, you'd think D coordinators, esp. those playing say, the Chiefs, would be all over this? It worked because Claypoole, being a green rookie, never looks at Tre before ball is snapped. Never saw it coming. A veteran WR could make him miss and if man to man would be wide open 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) PFF didn't rate Tre on this so he still ranks 27th among NFL CBs Edited December 14, 2020 by 4merper4mer 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I’ll have to watch the All-22 but it looked to me as though he slipped as a result of the push. A number of Steelers players slipped last night (including on Diggs’ TD). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I was wondering why Tre had that Offside penalty in the 3rd qtr (iirc). Now I know why. What a monster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 26 minutes ago, matter2003 said: This was the play where Wallace almost got a pick 6...Big Ben was looking for Claypool but White pancaked him at the LOS and put him on his @ss and basically held him down on the ground...just a great, aggressive play against the short passes... Claypool has been tearing it up but was almost non-existent in yesterday's game except for a few short catches. I had NO idea 👀 a corner could legally do that to a WR coming off the line......😤😤 That ain't just "Take Away Tre" that's "Tredavious White's House of Pancakes" 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rk_Bills86 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 To clarify - Contact is allowed within 5 yds... Absolutely mugging a WR is allowed within 1 yard (within reason - you can't choke slam one - See the niners linemen that did so to Diggs last week). Frankly - it's a great play by White. Claypool is a rookie and didn't use his hands to get off the jam. He also got jammed so hard he fell down - I don't think White expected all that force to go straight back - usually a WR will shift one way or another and he has to move. Regardless... That's what you can do to soft or inexperienced WR to dictate a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, freddyjj said: It worked because Claypoole, being a green rookie, never looks at Tre before ball is snapped. Never saw it coming. A veteran WR could make him miss and if man to man would be wide open If Tre still fell down, absolutely. I don't think he was expecting the pancake. 13 minutes ago, Codyny13 said: Because if you extend and the receiver counters...they’re gone, especially a receiver like Tyreek Hill. White has the experience and moxy over Claypool. Just a point I think it was a calculated risk for them....they had 2 other defenders in the vicinity so I think the plan was if Tre got beat one of them would pick Claypool up while Tre regrouped. 5 minutes ago, Rk_Bills86 said: To clarify - Contact is allowed within 5 yds... Absolutely mugging a WR is allowed within 1 yard (within reason - you can't choke slam one - See the niners linemen that did so to Diggs last week). They didn't get called on that, correct? 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I had NO idea 👀 a corner could legally do that to a WR coming off the line......😤😤 That ain't just "Take Away Tre" that's "Tredavious White's House of Pancakes" Yeah. The rule still exists in that form because of play action. Without that allowance DTs would get penalties for tackling a RB on a play fake. The refs are just less forgiving on these calls with CBs because they’re out in the open and, well... it was what Darth Hoodie did to stymie the greatest show on turf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rk_Bills86 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: They didn't get called on that, correct? 😬 The niner's player? 100% got called for it. In real time I thought he horse collared him because - I think it ended up being a hold (not PI) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I had NO idea 👀 a corner could legally do that to a WR coming off the line......😤😤 That ain't just "Take Away Tre" that's "Tredavious White's House of Pancakes" WR's train in using their hands and sudden movement to get off the jam. Claypool did not seem to realize it was coming so didn't brace himself or do anything to counter. Most times the WR is ready and they engage the CB too and try to swipe their hands off. Claypool was just not ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Welcome to the NFL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Welcome to the NFL Indeed! 6 minutes ago, MJS said: WR's train in using their hands and sudden movement to get off the jam. Claypool did not seem to realize it was coming so didn't brace himself or do anything to counter. Most times the WR is ready and they engage the CB too and try to swipe their hands off. Claypool was just not ready. And Tre made him pay 9 minutes ago, Rk_Bills86 said: The niner's player? 100% got called for it. In real time I thought he horse collared him because - I think it ended up being a hold (not PI) I must be thinking of a different play where Diggs was getting mauled and I was "wait, you can't do that...can you?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 You love to see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Reminds me of Robin Williams in The Best of Times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 39 minutes ago, matter2003 said: He didn't tackle him, he jammed him and Claypool fell down from it I didn’t say he tackled him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supe Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 In the olden days DBs and LBs could blast receivers from the snap until the ball was in the air. It was called “bump and run” in the seventies. Before then it was just called good defense like the head slap and grabbing the face mask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 52 minutes ago, Rk_Bills86 said: The niner's player? 100% got called for it. In real time I thought he horse collared him because - I think it ended up being a hold (not PI) Correct, it was holding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 58 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Yes I dont think he "tackled" him. I think Tre saw Claypool totally not looking in his direction, instead he was watchinjng for the snap, a rookie mistake if you care going to be that close to the line. Tre barely had to move to knock Claypool. I bet Claypool will think twice before he tries that again. Very similar to the play Tre jumped Offside. Just a second before the snap - Tre drove right into the middle of Claypools chest to knock him off stride and prevent him from getting down. The timing is critical and only works if you can hit the WR and not get knocked off stride. If you tried that with a veteran WR like Diggs - he has moves designed to counter and then blow past you once the DB is off balance. Claypool is not there yet, but this will be a learning experience for the rookie. 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If Tre still fell down, absolutely. I don't think he was expecting the pancake. Just a point I think it was a calculated risk for them....they had 2 other defenders in the vicinity so I think the plan was if Tre got beat one of them would pick Claypool up while Tre regrouped. They didn't get called on that, correct? 😬 The Dlineman that tackled Diggs did get called for holding. Josh even pointed it out to the ref during the play and then threw the ball downfield once he saw the flag. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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