Inigo Montoya Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Doc said: He's got a good TD:INT ratio (3:1), but is only averaging 203 YPG. Stefanski has turned Baker into a game manager. Don't turn the ball over. Turn around, hand the ball off to Chubb and Hunt 40+ times a game and win. And winning they are. Contrast that with the Bills and Josh Allen. The coaching staff here puts the ball in Allen's hands almost every week and says "Go out there and win this game for us kid." It's a big difference. Can Baker have a game like he did last week now and then? Of course. He'll have one or two games a season like that. Josh on the other hand needs to have a game like that every week for the Bills to win. And winning they are. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 54 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: WTG Josh!!! Cover of Madden next year? KC QB deserves it more. Curse too. Give Allen the free Disneyland trip after Superbowl. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Motorin' said: I remember arguing with you last year and you saying you he reminds you too much of JP Losman and EJ Manuel. Glad you finally see the light my brother! Thanks Motorin’...but just to be clear, I have never changed my opinion about Allen’s play his first two seasons...it was, unquestionably, subpar- which is understandable, as he was raw...But it was still subpar...And his erratic play did give me flashbacks to subpar Bills QBs of the past...And because nobody can guarantee how any particular player will turn out, people tend to judge them on how they are performing at that particular moment in time...we can always hope or project into the future, but no one can guarantee those hopes, or projections, will happen... That being said, I am completely over the moon that Josh was able to, almost miraculously, transform himself into the elite QB he is today...And I say “almost miraculously” because what Allen has been able to do doesn’t normally happen in real life- meaning, where his play started out, and where it is today...It is nothing short of other worldly- to make the jump that he has made! And that’s what’s so amazing about it...He may have always had the heart, the leadership, the work ethic...But Tim Tebow had that...EJ Manuel, supposedly, had that...and along with countless others who were just not able to make it... In my opinion, if Josh continues on this trajectory, he will, no doubt, go down as one of the greatest success stories in the history of the league...And that’s all a testament to him, and his relentless drive, for not allowing himself to be another statistic...and by beating the odds and willing himself to be great...Amazing! Bills fans everywhere, especially the younger ones, really need to treasure this moment we are experiencing...You never know when times like this will come along again...and you never know when they will come to an end...👍 Go Bills! Edited December 9, 2020 by JaCrispy 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Another AFCOPOW? Adding more team and League records?? HOF building a Wing in his honor??? 🤔 I should pen a prose.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantankeous Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Scott7975 said: WTG Josh!!! Cover of Madden next year? NO!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 56 minutes ago, Limeaid said: That was because Allen likes to plant trees like both of them. Those aren't trees they're Miami Linebackers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said: Another AFCOPOW? Adding more team and League records?? HOF building a Wing in his honor??? 🤔 I should pen a prose.. what a what? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 7 hours ago, Whkfc said: Baker is not better but he is quietly having one hell of a season i think if all us Bills fans were told that Allen would have the season Baker is having before the season started we would be like great. I did speak to some Browns fans yesterday and they wish they took Allen and totally respect and admit hes legit. That goofy Nick Wright slobbers all over Mayfield. Not taking anything away from Mayfield, he did me a solid trashing the Titans. Wright and Brandon Marshall got heated about which QB is better. Wright sunk his own argument saying Mayfield was better because of Cleveland's running game, and I'm like dude, you automatically showed which is the better QB. Allen hasn't had that same running game to fall back on, and compared to previous years, he hasn't run as much. All up to this point, the identity of this offense has all been Allen passing the ball 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 4 hours ago, TheBrownBear said: Baker had a damn good game against a better team than SF. Kinda shocked he didn't get the nod. 31st ranked D? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 So this might be a good place to put this. YPP (Yards Per Pass) prediction in August: After week 12, 1/4 of the season left to go: 299/428 3403 26 TD 8 INT (1 of them totally bogus) 23 sacks for 133 yds 105.9 rating ANY/A = 7.61 87 rushes for 322 yds, 6 TDs So far, so good 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 The thing is, it isn't always about stat lines. Both Mayfield and Allen had good ones. I rather suspect the difference made, was the quality of the throws that Josh made, by comparison to Baker. A caveat would be that I've only seen limited highlights of the Browns game, but someone here (not in this thread) went through 5 'wow' throws Josh made. Then someone else mentioned another, that hadn't been included. So we have 6 'wow' throws from Allen (minimum). I'd hazard a guess that Mayfield made a couple, but that was about it. I don't think there's a legitimate argument about which AFC QB, played best this week. Not only were there exceptional numbers from Allen, but there were also a whole bunch of exceptional throws. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 5 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Actually I am surprised as Mayfield also had 4 TD, slightly better RTG and QBR and roughly 40 yard less passing and slightly lower completion percentage, but still just above 75%. I also thought they'd give it to Mayfield as very close between the two and just to spread the award around some. Glad Allen won it as from what I read never been won 3 times prior within one season by a Bill I'm imagine Browns fans are complaining how Mayfield got robbed. Titans, surprisingly, rank 25 PA on D, 25 Yds on D. SF ranks 13 PA, 6 yds on D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Titans, surprisingly, rank 25 PA on D, 25 Yds on D. SF ranks 13 PA, 6 yds on D Big deal! I guess I have a hard time believing that voters look that closely at the ranking of the opponent when deciding whom to vote for as opposed to actual performance. Maybe if it were against a really brutal team like the Jets or something. If it is based on defensive ranking Allen won the week he went up against Seattle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanThru-N-Thru Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, buffalo2218 said: That goofy Nick Wright slobbers all over Mayfield. Not taking anything away from Mayfield, he did me a solid trashing the Titans. Wright and Brandon Marshall got heated about which QB is better. Wright sunk his own argument saying Mayfield was better because of Cleveland's running game, and I'm like dude, you automatically showed which is the better QB. Allen hasn't had that same running game to fall back on, and compared to previous years, he hasn't run as much. All up to this point, the identity of this offense has all been Allen passing the ball Maybe a Bills homer and while winning Player of the Week is truly no measure of how good a QB is there is only 1 QB who has won it more then Josh Allen and he's tied with another. They are ... The last 2 QBs that won the AFC MVP awards ... Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes. Below is a list of all the QBs and the times they won POW since 2018. 6 Lamar Jackson 5 Patrick Mahomes 5 Josh Allen 4 Deshaun Watson 4 Russell Wilson 3 Ben Roethlisberger 3 Dak Prescott 3 Drew Brees 3 Kyler Murray 3 Ryan Fitzpatrick 2 Aaron Rodgers 2 Baker Mayfield 2 Jared Goff 1 Andrew Luck 1 Cam Newton 1 Daniel Jones 1 Jacoby Brissett 1 Jameis Winston 1 Jimmy Garoppolo 1 Kirk Cousins 1 Marcus Mariota 1 Matt Ryan 1 Mitchell Trubisky 1 Nick Foles 1 Philip Rivers 1 Ryan Tannehill 1 Sam Darnold 1 Tom Brady Edited December 9, 2020 by BillsFanThru-N-Thru 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 6 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Actually I am surprised as Mayfield also had 4 TD, slightly better RTG and QBR and roughly 40 yard less passing and slightly lower completion percentage, but still just above 75%. I also thought they'd give it to Mayfield as very close between the two and just to spread the award around some. Glad Allen won it as from what I read never been won 3 times prior within one season by a Bill I'm imagine Browns fans are complaining how Mayfield got robbed. Baker did nothing in crunch time, fumbled to give the Browns hope and was playing a statistically worse defense than Josh. I could see Waller but not Baker over Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 I honestly contemplated just making this thread on Monday Night because I mean come on he was obviously going to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 Lol. Even when I Google Baker Mayfield, I see a picture of Josh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 I've watched both performances. Baker had a great day, no doubt. But Josh's performance looked a cut above. Total control, field general, the best player on the grass by a mile. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 7 hours ago, Scott7975 said: WTG Josh!!! Cover of Madden next year? I hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 Josh got snubbed for Fedex Air player of the week in place of Baker (I'm just guessing). He'll get another chance soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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