Big Turk Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) From the searching I have done, it appears it might be the lowest combined total since the early 70s ...not sure if anyone has a more definitive date, but it was a brutal game to watch offensively. Edited November 30, 2020 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I can understand from the Bronco's side as they didn't have a QB, but Taysom Hill should have been better. No? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said: I can understand from the Bronco's side as they didn't have a QB, but Taysom Hill should have been better. No? They didn't need to pass, just run clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said: I can understand from the Bronco's side as they didn't have a QB, but Taysom Hill should have been better. No? The Saints ran for 230 yards or so...basically I think they thought if we get to 17 points, there is no way the Broncos can win the game, so why risk throwing it when turnovers would be the only way for them to have any chance of winning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said: They didn't need to pass, just run clock. he didn’t do well when passing either. a good qb would have produced plenty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, matter2003 said: The Saints ran for 230 yards or so...basically I think they thought if we get to 17 points, there is no way the Broncos can win the game, so why risk throwing it when turnovers would be the only way for them to have any chance of winning. That's true. The Saints game plan was, wisely, ultra conservative. Having said that, the Broncos, who still have a good defense, didn't allow Hill to do much, and Hill looked confused much of the time when he was supposed to throw. But with zero offense from the Broncs, it was inevitable that they'd wear down and the Saints would put up enough points to win comfortably. That's exactly what happened. The game would've been closer if the Broncos had simply punted it away on 1st down each time they took possession rather than giving up 2 INTs and one fumble. That's how pathetic the offense was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said: That's true. The Saints game plan was, wisely, ultra conservative. Having said that, the Broncos, who still have a good defense, didn't allow Hill to do much, and Hill looked confused much of the time when he was supposed to throw. But with zero offense from the Broncs, it was inevitable that they'd wear down and the Saints would put up enough points to win comfortably. That's exactly what happened. The game would've been closer if the Broncos had simply punted it away on 1st down each time they took possession rather than giving up 2 INTs and one fumble. That's how pathetic the offense was. I thought it would be fun to watch but it was incredibly boring and inept...I turned it off the watch the Chiefs game after the first quarter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff g Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Check out the Bills vs Jets - 9/29/74 i was at the game Joe Namath 2-18. 33 yards. 3 INTs Joe Ferguson 0-2 Tremendous rain storm and windy. Bills 16-12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUBSTER Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 This game made me question a couple things. Number 1, why weren't the Broncos doing what the Bills are doing with their QB's (Isolating at least one from the rest of the team)? It makes no sense to have all of your QB's together with what we know about this virus. And number 2, why couldn't the league find a way to reschedule this game? The Ravens had their game moved because of some Covid cases, but the Broncos were without the most important position and they couldn't find a way to work that out for them? Just seems strange to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, TUBSTER said: This game made me question a couple things. Number 1, why weren't the Broncos doing what the Bills are doing with their QB's (Isolating at least one from the rest of the team)? It makes no sense to have all of your QB's together with what we know about this virus. And number 2, why couldn't the league find a way to reschedule this game? The Ravens had their game moved because of some Covid cases, but the Broncos were without the most important position and they couldn't find a way to work that out for them? Just seems strange to me. Games have been moved when teams continue to have positive cases. If the Broncos weren't continuing to have positive cases why should their game be moved? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 5 hours ago, MJS said: Games have been moved when teams continue to have positive cases. If the Broncos weren't continuing to have positive cases why should their game be moved? I guess I question the wisdom of making a team with NO QB play the game. Bronco's seemed to be unfairly penalized in this case. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 8 hours ago, NoSaint said: he didn’t do well when passing either. a good qb would have produced plenty Yea, I have a good buddy who is a Saints fan and doesn’t want to admit Hill isn’t the answer after Brees. I hope yesterday helped him realize it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 5 hours ago, TUBSTER said: This game made me question a couple things. Number 1, why weren't the Broncos doing what the Bills are doing with their QB's (Isolating at least one from the rest of the team)? It makes no sense to have all of your QB's together with what we know about this virus. And number 2, why couldn't the league find a way to reschedule this game? The Ravens had their game moved because of some Covid cases, but the Broncos were without the most important position and they couldn't find a way to work that out for them? Just seems strange to me. 'Mile High' equals atmosphere with lower oxygen levels equals lack of common sense. Legal marijuana might also have figured into it. * Would have been a riot to hear Greg Bauch's character 'Greg Buck' call the play by play for this one. 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 5 hours ago, TUBSTER said: This game made me question a couple things. Number 1, why weren't the Broncos doing what the Bills are doing with their QB's (Isolating at least one from the rest of the team)? It makes no sense to have all of your QB's together with what we know about this virus. And number 2, why couldn't the league find a way to reschedule this game? The Ravens had their game moved because of some Covid cases, but the Broncos were without the most important position and they couldn't find a way to work that out for them? Just seems strange to me. For the umpteenth time. The league DOES NOT reschedule games due to what players are out. It only reschedules games if it is determined to be medically necessary due to there being COVID outbreaks on the team that could result in transmission dangers. The Broncos QBs were on the COVID list for close contact with a player that tested positive and had no masks or tracking devices for much of the time. They did not test positive themselves. They also did not cooperate with the investigation by the NFL. It is very simple. Games get moved when there is an active outbreak of COVID with multiple players testing positive over multiple days NOT when there is an isolated case and other players out due to being in contact. The NFL doesn't give a crap who is out for a team if they deem it safe to play the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Neither team had a QB, it was like watching a game with two cloned Lamar Jacksons. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Kwai San said: I guess I question the wisdom of making a team with NO QB play the game. Bronco's seemed to be unfairly penalized in this case. I could be wrong but I thought they were found to be in violation of protocols with those quarterbacks not wearing masks in practice or the building or something. So it’s possible it was meant as a form of punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 Just now, Rc2catch said: I could be wrong but I thought they were found to be in violation of protocols with those quarterbacks not wearing masks in practice or the building or something. So it’s possible it was meant as a form of punishment. No it wasn't. Refer to my post above for the explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Neither team had a QB, it was like watching a game with two cloned Lamar Jacksons. Harsh, yet kinda funny... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I could be wrong but I thought they were found to be in violation of protocols with those quarterbacks not wearing masks in practice or the building or something. So it’s possible it was meant as a form of punishment. They punished them all right....too bad they didn't do the same to the Tennessee Covids.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 19 minutes ago, Kwai San said: They punished them all right....too bad they didn't do the same to the Tennessee Covids.... That is still the one instance I’m totally baffled by this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Rc2catch said: That is still the one instance I’m totally baffled by this season. I know right??? Makes NO sense whatsoever except it screwed the Bills royally..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 The NFL did the Broncos dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) I thought it might be bills related so I was gonna guess the bills browns game that finished 8-6 in an absolute blizzard in Cleveland 07 maybe? Edited November 30, 2020 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 19 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: The NFL did the Broncos dry. No they didn't. The Broncos did it to themselves. They chose to not follow protocols. They chose to not wear masks and tracking devices when they were required to. They chose to try and cover it up by not cooperating with NFL investigators into the incident. The NFL moves games based on medical decisions ONLY. If a team has an active outbreak with players testing positive multiple days in a row then the game gets moved. If it is a contact tracing thing and there is no outbreak the players are ineligible to play and the game still is played. It doesn't matter if it is a bunch of practice squad players on the list, starting QBs, fringe players, some combination of them or the entire starting defense. The rules are the same for all teams, and it has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHO THE PLAYERS ARE. Zero. Zilch. Zip. Nada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, matter2003 said: No they didn't. The Broncos did it to themselves. They chose to not follow protocols. They chose to not wear masks and tracking devices when they were required to. They chose to try and cover it up by not cooperating with NFL investigators into the incident. The NFL moves games based on medical decisions ONLY. If a team has an active outbreak with players testing positive multiple days in a row then the game gets moved. If it is a contact tracing thing and there is no outbreak the players are ineligible to play and the game still is played. It doesn't matter if it is a bunch of practice squad players on the list, starting QBs, fringe players, some combination of them or the entire starting defense. The rules are the same for all teams, and it has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHO THE PLAYERS ARE. Zero. Zilch. Zip. Nada. We're gonna disagree. The NFL bent forward for the TITians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 The NFL and its owners should be ashamed to have let this game be played. They gave the Ravens 5 days to get over a Covid outbreak but made the Broncos play without a QB. There is no rational explanation other than $$$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 If the Saints choose to ride or die with Hill at QB, they will die in their first playoff game. Defenses will shut off the run and make him pass....a lot. I don't understand why every team doesn't keep a QB and perhaps a kicker in isolation. Seems like a shrewd move, especially for playoff teams. Having the Broncos situation happen to you in the playoffs is a job termination-level offense IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, dpberr said: If the Saints choose to ride or die with Hill at QB, they will die in their first playoff game. Defenses will shut off the run and make him pass....a lot. I don't understand why every team doesn't keep a QB and perhaps a kicker in isolation. Seems like a shrewd move, especially for playoff teams. Having the Broncos situation happen to you in the playoffs is a job termination-level offense IMO. Brees will be back by then... 30 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: The NFL and its owners should be ashamed to have let this game be played. They gave the Ravens 5 days to get over a Covid outbreak but made the Broncos play without a QB. There is no rational explanation other than $$$. I have posted ad nauseum about it. It makes complete sense. Read one of my previous explanations in this thread or one of the others as to why if you want to understand. 30 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: We're gonna disagree. The NFL bent forward for the TITians. In what way? They had a massive outbreak on their team. It is actually pretty cut and dry no matter how other people want to spin it. Does your team have a large outbreak? If yes, move the game. If through contact tracing and more testing it is determined they don't then those players get moved to the COVID list and the game gets played. They didn't move the Minnesota game because Thielen had to be on the list either. It is what it is. Games are only moved if medically necessary and a last resort. Edited November 30, 2020 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, matter2003 said: In what way? They had a massive outbreak on their team. It is actually pretty cut and dry no matter how other people want to spin it. Does your team have a large outbreak? If yes, move the game. If through contact tracing and more testing it is determined they don't then those players get moved to the COVID list and the game gets played. Your rationale cuts both ways. The Broncos broke the rules, so screw 'em. Nayshveel was ridiculously flaunting the rules, which led directly to their Covid breakout, but the NFL bent over forward to accommodate them. The Bills got completely jerked around, causing us to lose two games due to the ridiculous rescheduling. But I almost bought screwing the Broncos, until the NFL told them they couldn't sign a coach to play QB in an emergency. Say what you want, the NFL screwed the Broncos (and the Bills) royally. Edited November 30, 2020 by Freddie's Dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 41 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Brees will be back by then... I have posted ad nauseum about it. It makes complete sense. Read one of my previous explanations in this thread or one of the others as to why if you want to understand. In what way? They had a massive outbreak on their team. It is actually pretty cut and dry no matter how other people want to spin it. Does your team have a large outbreak? If yes, move the game. If through contact tracing and more testing it is determined they don't then those players get moved to the COVID list and the game gets played. They didn't move the Minnesota game because Thielen had to be on the list either. It is what it is. Games are only moved if medically necessary and a last resort. I read your stuff. I disagree. They forced the Broncos to put a kid out there who had never played in the league before, in a position where he could have been seriously injured. If the Broncos didn’t have someone to play they should have been made to forfeit. Same with the Ravens. Same with the Titans against us. And the league should have paid the other (winning as it were) team’s salaries for that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 26 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I read your stuff. I disagree. They forced the Broncos to put a kid out there who had never played in the league before, in a position where he could have been seriously injured. If the Broncos didn’t have someone to play they should have been made to forfeit. Same with the Ravens. Same with the Titans against us. And the league should have paid the other (winning as it were) team’s salaries for that game. That is not how it works. If they forfeited neither teams players would have gotten paid as they are only paid for games played. You disagree but that doesn't matter, that is the criteria being used and it is very cut and dry in most cases as to whether the game will be played or is in danger of being moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 32 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I read your stuff. I disagree. They forced the Broncos to put a kid out there who had never played in the league before, in a position where he could have been seriously injured. If the Broncos didn’t have someone to play they should have been made to forfeit. Same with the Ravens. Same with the Titans against us. And the league should have paid the other (winning as it were) team’s salaries for that game. no one forced the broncos to play by your standard. They could have forfeited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Freddie's Dead said: Your rationale cuts both ways. The Broncos broke the rules, so screw 'em. Nayshveel was ridiculously flaunting the rules, which led directly to their Covid breakout, but the NFL bent over forward to accommodate them. The Bills got completely jerked around, causing us to lose two games due to the ridiculous rescheduling. But I almost bought screwing the Broncos, until the NFL told them they couldn't sign a coach to play QB in an emergency. Say what you want, the NFL screwed the Broncos (and the Bills) royally. again, consistent policies applied in these examples. outbreak putting players at risk, try to postpone. Outbreak contained, play as scheduled. not allowing a team to sign a coach has always been a rule. If the broncos wanted a 5th in house qb they could’ve had one. Or followed restrictions with their existing 4 that would’ve prevented this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Freddie's Dead said: Your rationale cuts both ways. The Broncos broke the rules, so screw 'em. Nayshveel was ridiculously flaunting the rules, which led directly to their Covid breakout, but the NFL bent over forward to accommodate them. The Bills got completely jerked around, causing us to lose two games due to the ridiculous rescheduling. But I almost bought screwing the Broncos, until the NFL told them they couldn't sign a coach to play QB in an emergency. Say what you want, the NFL screwed the Broncos (and the Bills) royally. There is no "screw them" involved. Only is the outbreak contained or is there a risk of transmission between players? Again you are making assumptions that are simply wrong. Edited November 30, 2020 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, matter2003 said: There is no "screw them" involved. Only is the outbreak contained or is there a risk of transmission between players? Again you are making assumptions that are simply wrong. Id be fascinated to see results of 2 polls: the nfl plays favorites and isn’t fair to teams like the bills? the nfl should do away with its consistent policies and make each case a judgment call? i suspect there would be a strange overlap Edited November 30, 2020 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 35 minutes ago, NoSaint said: again, consistent policies applied in these examples. outbreak putting players at risk, try to postpone. Outbreak contained, play as scheduled. not allowing a team to sign a coach has always been a rule. If the broncos wanted a 5th in house qb they could’ve had one. Or followed restrictions with their existing 4 that would’ve prevented this. And let Nayshveel get away with murder, got it. 34 minutes ago, matter2003 said: There is no "screw them" involved. Only is the outbreak contained or is there a risk of transmission between players? Again you are making assumptions that are simply wrong. If the Broncs getting screwed makes me wrong, I don't wanna be right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUBSTER Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 11 hours ago, MJS said: Games have been moved when teams continue to have positive cases. If the Broncos weren't continuing to have positive cases why should their game be moved? Because they were without the most important position in the game. I also don't understand why they weren't separating their QB's but it still seems a little unjust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 3 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: The NFL did the Broncos dry. That sounds like the first line of a Johnny Cash song. 🤔 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 56 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: And let Nayshveel get away with murder, got it. If the Broncs getting screwed makes me wrong, I don't wanna be right. Nashville had to play without a number of players and received a 6 figure fine on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, NoSaint said: Nashville had to play without a number of players and received a 6 figure fine on top. Boo *****in' hoo. It also allowed them to get some players back that killed the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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