Trump 2024?

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Backintheday544 said:

Lol. Dude couldn’t beat a 100 year old guy who wouldn’t come out of his basement who was probably the worst Dem candidate since John Kerry(? maybe, Biden was a worse candidate). 
 

Dems can now pick anyone they want as President and know they’ll win, assuming Trump gets the nomination.

Hogwash.  Well, it’s true he lost.

 

Biden motivated people to get out and vote based on his agenda and messaging, which included green energy initiatives, student loans forgiveness and his international expertise.  
 

The reality is he didn’t need to come out if his basement because what he sold, sells to certain people. 
 

There’s no need to reset the narrative. 

[Brueggs]

31 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

The Great Khan of the Midwest Khannate will sweep across the country and bring glory to the Midwest and terror to all who oppose him!

 

 

There is a lot wrong with him, but there is a whole lot more wrong with the country right now.  Two more years on this trajectory should galvanize that position.

I think I'm starting to see the glitch now.  Personal animosity.  It keeps one from being truly objective.

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

except Hilary… literally the only person that more people hate

More people?  No.  The electoral college?  Yes.

[ChiGoose]

 

[Demongyz]

God Speed Trump.  I don't see him winning general unless he is going against a corpse....  Hi Biden....

 

IDK.    Dude needs to be put out to pasture, but I'll vote for him over Biden so I guess time will tell.

40 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

 

Their wives maybe sluts...  He's the second best man to lead the country.   Desantis 2024!!!

[L Ron Burgundy]

Great.  Now Biden will likely get trotted out again.   Here's to any other rep beating him.  

 

Trump should run with Walker.  It'd be a no-brainer.  

[Tiberius]

If there are five or six GOPers running in primary Trump will easily get 35-40% and the rest will split the vote. If DeSantis has a chance, it will have to be just him and Trump, but I'm pretty sure there will be a full slate of candidates 

8 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Hogwash.  Well, it’s true he lost.

 

Biden motivated people to get out and vote based on his agenda and messaging, which included green energy initiatives, student loans forgiveness and his international expertise.  
 

The reality is he didn’t need to come out if his basement because what he sold, sells to certain people. 
 

There’s no need to reset the narrative. 

And now he can promise to protect women's reproductive health. What will Trump say to that? He wants women arrested if they get an abortion. 

 

This election showed that is death as a political argument, especially now 

[Tiberius]

17 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Great.  Now Biden will likely get trotted out again.   Here's to any other rep beating him.  

 

Trump should run with Walker.  It'd be a no-brainer.  

Most diverse election ever! An old white guy, a mixed race women, an orange man and a black guy! 

 

The media would throw a parade if it was Walker 

[Andy1]

 

[nedboy7]

Anyone who votes for T after Jan 6th and election fraud should just leave America so we can maga 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

If there are five or six GOPers running in primary Trump will easily get 35-40% and the rest will split the vote. If DeSantis has a chance, it will have to be just him and Trump, but I'm pretty sure there will be a full slate of candidates 

And now he can promise to protect women's reproductive health. What will Trump say to that? He wants women arrested if they get an abortion. 

 

This election showed that is death as a political argument, especially now 

You’re saying the Biden agenda will motivate people to vote for Biden, which is what I said in my post. 
 

I was responding to BackDays comments about losing to a horrible candidate in Joe Biden.  I think he lost because people like you, BackInTheDay and millions of others voted and believed in his agenda.  None of the other stuff mattered—his history with women, his racist commentary, his partnering with segregationists, his decades of telling tall tales, and the obvious cognitive decline. 
 

What mattered was student loan buyout, who would qualify, abortion on demand, his tax plan, green energy scheme and so on. 
 

He sold a plan, you liked what he had to offer, and you bought it.
 

If he runs again, in spite of his continued and frankly tragic decline, millions will vote for him again if he offers the same agenda, or more likely, supersizes the promises and give always. 
 

If, on the other hand, he tightened the belt and took those offers off the table while another candidate offered more goodies, the other candidate—Sanders for example, would be the new favorite. 

 

 

 

[ChiGoose]

2 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

 

Trump should run with Walker.  It'd be a no-brainer.  

Literally

 

[TH3]

1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

You’re saying the Biden agenda will motivate people to vote for Biden, which is what I said in my post. 
 

I was responding to BackDays comments about losing to a horrible candidate in Joe Biden.  I think he lost because people like you, BackInTheDay and millions of others voted and believed in his agenda.  None of the other stuff mattered—his history with women, his racist commentary, his partnering with segregationists, his decades of telling tall tales, and the obvious cognitive decline. 
 

What mattered was student loan buyout, who would qualify, abortion on demand, his tax plan, green energy scheme and so on. 
 

He sold a plan, you liked what he had to offer, and you bought it.
 

If he runs again, in spite of his continued and frankly tragic decline, millions will vote for him again if he offers the same agenda, or more likely, supersizes the promises and give always. 
 

If, on the other hand, he tightened the belt and took those offers off the table while another candidate offered more goodies, the other candidate—Sanders for example, would be the new favorite. 

 

 

 

Nah...I think your missing out on many people like me. I used to vote straight GOP. Then Ken Starr, then yellow cake, then Palin, then the "Freedom Caucus" calling the shots, then dismissal of ACA when it was a GOP idea, then more guns,  the more tax cuts with no spending cuts, then dismissal of GW, then Mitch stacking the SC, then Trump, then the SC going off the rails,  then most of the GOP Reps voting for election denial, then Boebert, then MTG, then J6.... 

 

None of that is "Republican" or "Conservative" and these are the main accomplishments of the GOP over the last 30 years...

 

Give me something to vote for. I don't necessaily like the Dems solutions...but at least they are trying... 

 

 

Edited November 16, 2022 by TH3

[Tiberius]

42 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

You’re saying the Biden agenda will motivate people to vote for Biden, which is what I said in my post. 
 

I was responding to BackDays comments about losing to a horrible candidate in Joe Biden.  I think he lost because people like you, BackInTheDay and millions of others voted and believed in his agenda.  None of the other stuff mattered—his history with women, his racist commentary, his partnering with segregationists, his decades of telling tall tales, and the obvious cognitive decline. 
 

What mattered was student loan buyout, who would qualify, abortion on demand, his tax plan, green energy scheme and so on. 
 

He sold a plan, you liked what he had to offer, and you bought it.
 

If he runs again, in spite of his continued and frankly tragic decline, millions will vote for him again if he offers the same agenda, or more likely, supersizes the promises and give always. 
 

If, on the other hand, he tightened the belt and took those offers off the table while another candidate offered more goodies, the other candidate—Sanders for example, would be the new favorite. 

 

 

 

I disagree. Most people just don't dislike Biden. Many more people just hate Trump. 

 

Add to that the abortion problem the GOP will have with any candidate, especially Trump, the guy who appointed three anti-choice judges.

[The Frankish Reich]

I tried to watch the campaign launch speech. Really, I did. I stuck with it till Fox News actually cut away about a half hour in. (Only CSPAN - hah! - stuck it out to the bitter end, with emphasis on “bitter”). That’s how dull and tired it sounded. Somehow I thought he’d do the prepared/teleprompter thing that actually worked reasonably well in one of his speeches to Congress. No. The same rambling, self-aggrandizing, “I’m great and I’ve been persecuted” crap that has been his outdoor rally shtick for years now, only transported to an controlled indoor setting where he didn’t have the crowd energy to make it work. 
His best hope is actually a repeat of 2016: a lot of potential Republican opponents saw the same tired act and won’t be discouraged from jumping in. Trump will hold his hardcore 1/3 of the Repub voters, and the other half dozen (more?) candidates will fight it out over the remaining 2/3. Then money will start to dry up when a Pence or Pompeo is stuck at 15 percent. And the last man standing in the Republican Party will be Mr. Trump. 
The paradox: by kind of sucking, by not even trying to broaden his appeal, he ensures a repeat of 2016. 

[Chef Jim]

15 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I tried to watch the campaign launch speech. Really, I did. I stuck with it till Fox News actually cut away about a half hour in. (Only CSPAN - hah! - stuck it out to the bitter end, with emphasis on “bitter”). That’s how dull and tired it sounded. Somehow I thought he’d do the prepared/teleprompter thing that actually worked reasonably well in one of his speeches to Congress. No. The same rambling, self-aggrandizing, “I’m great and I’ve been persecuted” crap that has been his outdoor rally shtick for years now, only transported to an controlled indoor setting where he didn’t have the crowd energy to make it work. 
His best hope is actually a repeat of 2016: a lot of potential Republican opponents saw the same tired act and won’t be discouraged from jumping in. Trump will hold his hardcore 1/3 of the Repub voters, and the other half dozen (more?) candidates will fight it out over the remaining 2/3. Then money will start to dry up when a Pence or Pompeo is stuck at 15 percent. And the last man standing in the Republican Party will be Mr. Trump. 
The paradox: by kind of sucking, by not even trying to broaden his appeal, he ensures a repeat of 2016. 

I liked Trump but I could never watch his speeches. 

[BillStime]

 

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[dpberr]

The Republicans need to simultaneously walk away from Trump, abortion and the uniparty Washington Republicans (McConnell).  

 

Essentially burn the house down, excavate the foundation and start all over.  

 

You don't get much farther with DeSantis because he's beholden to the "so-called Republican" anti-American moneyed donors who love the foreign wars, open borders for the slave labor, and globalism.  Globalism is anti-American.  They will distract you with all the culture war crap while selling every American out to global corporate interests as jobs and wealth move out of this country.  It started with NAFTA and it hasn't stopped.  

 

I truly wish there was a political party that truly put middle America first.  A secure border puts lower-income Americans first.  Not sending kids off to stupid wars puts Americans first.  Safe cities puts Americans first.  Cheap energy puts every American first.  

 

 

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, TH3 said:

Nah...I think your missing out on many people like me. I used to vote straight GOP. Then Ken Starr, then yellow cake, then Palin, then the "Freedom Caucus" calling the shots, then dismissal of ACA when it was a GOP idea, then more guns,  the more tax cuts with no spending cuts, then dismissal of GW, then Mitch stacking the SC, then Trump, then the SC going off the rails,  then most of the GOP Reps voting for election denial, then Boebert, then MTG, then J6.... 

 

None of that is "Republican" or "Conservative" and these are the main accomplishments of the GOP over the last 30 years...

 

Give me something to vote for. I don't necessaily like the Dems solutions...but at least they are trying... 

 

 

Well, there are two issues you're addressing here, and I'll handle them separately.

 

First, it's presumptuous to assume I hadn't considered people like you.   People grow, evolve, devolve, their opinions change, their political affiliations shift and yesterdays liberal is today's conservative or vice versa.   For every line item addressed, there is a separate, yet equal line item that can be pointed to where the dems seem to have moved farther to the extreme.    

 

What I said, and what you seem to acknowledge, is that you voted for Biden because his agenda made sense to you.  I don't see this as earth-shattering, controversial or even debatable, but do see people attempting to recast their choice as Biden's cognitive issues accelerate.  The fact is simple, you voted for the guy and got the guy you wanted.  

 

Second, on the issues that bother you about the GOP, I respect your right to your opinion on all of it.  Vote liberal, vote socialist, vote how you feel.  However, for every line item listed, there is a separate yet equal line item of the dems moving to the extreme that bothers a fellow voter.  

 

The most extreme example recently was the allegation that the 2016 election was illegitimate, the result of a coup, and that Trump was guilty of treason.  That was a major disinformation campaign, not because I don't like the messaging, but because is spite of having the dems having the full weight of the US government, an exceedingly hostile prosecution, an unlimited budget and the opportunity to coerce and intimidate witnesses, they failed to prove the election was illegitimate, or the result of a coup, or that Trump was guilty of treason.  

 

I get that the scheme worked, but I don't understand how if you reaaaalllllly feel the way you feel about Kenneth Starr, why you would accept a supersized version of it just a few decades later.  More importantly, I'm not sure why you would be surprised that Trump followed suit with the stolen election claim just a year or two after the Russia game fizzled out in the nationally televised unraveling of Bob Mueller. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TH3]

1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Well, there are two issues you're addressing here, and I'll handle them separately.

 

First, it's presumptuous to assume I hadn't considered people like you.   People grow, evolve, devolve, their opinions change, their political affiliations shift and yesterdays liberal is today's conservative or vice versa.   For every line item addressed, there is a separate, yet equal line item that can be pointed to where the dems seem to have moved farther to the extreme.    

 

What I said, and what you seem to acknowledge, is that you voted for Biden because his agenda made sense to you.  I don't see this as earth-shattering, controversial or even debatable, but do see people attempting to recast their choice as Biden's cognitive issues accelerate.  The fact is simple, you voted for the guy and got the guy you wanted.  

 

Second, on the issues that bother you about the GOP, I respect your right to your opinion on all of it.  Vote liberal, vote socialist, vote how you feel.  However, for every line item listed, there is a separate yet equal line item of the dems moving to the extreme that bothers a fellow voter.  

 

The most extreme example recently was the allegation that the 2016 election was illegitimate, the result of a coup, and that Trump was guilty of treason.  That was a major disinformation campaign, not because I don't like the messaging, but because is spite of having the dems having the full weight of the US government, an exceedingly hostile prosecution, an unlimited budget and the opportunity to coerce and intimidate witnesses, they failed to prove the election was illegitimate, or the result of a coup, or that Trump was guilty of treason.  

 

I get that the scheme worked, but I don't understand how if you reaaaalllllly feel the way you feel about Kenneth Starr, why you would accept a supersized version of it just a few decades later.  More importantly, I'm not sure why you would be surprised that Trump followed suit with the stolen election claim just a year or two after the Russia game fizzled out in the nationally televised unraveling of Bob Mueller. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You seem to be very good at attempting to putting words in peoples mouths and thoughts in their heads ....not going to work with me. 

 

FFS...The GOP DID NOT EVEN PUBLISH A PLATFORM FOR THE 2020 ELECTION. 

 

GOP is broken...call me when they aren't....