Are our WRs not getting separation? Or is it Allen?

[TBBills]

This team really needs to hit the Bye week.

[Chandler#81]

Just a guess, @Rubes, but I think he knows he can ‘hit the big one’ now every time he drops back and waits to see if the Defense is indeed determined to take the big play away -and if Diggs & Brown can still get behind them. Then as seconds tick away and pressure nears, he looks ‘low’ to Beasley/RBs/TEs. 

 

Again, just a guess as we don’t get All-22 views during a telecast. By week 4, the Raiders were determined to stop the big pass, but he STILL delivered incredible throws & catches deep down field.

[golfball323]

Josh's development is still in progress. He doesn't have the quick strike (in terms of time from snap) club in his bag yet. Remember all those games where Brady, Rivers and Manning would have against us where they got rid of the ball under two seconds?

 

Josh needs to develop that for us to become a complete offense.

 

[Sharky7337]

On the athletic pod cast they mentioned that the bills have been still attempting those throws at the 4 most in the NFL but Josh Allen has the worst qb rating on throws over ten yards in the last 4 games.

 

So it's execution and defenses but Allen has not been playing as well.

[H2o]

22 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

Teams have figured out how to gameplay for us. They’re deploying more DBs. Working out of dime and nickel. They’re giving us underneath stuff. We were so pass centric for first couple of weeks. We need to integrate more balance. Yesterday was a good sign to the rest of the league that we will run effectively if you try to play small and defend the pass. 

I remember at least 5 or 6 occasions from yesterday where even the commentators mentioned BB had put 7 DB's on the field. No one is really going to be able to pass in that. Thankfully the running game stepped up yesterday. 

[HappyDays]

22 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

Teams have figured out how to gameplay for us. They’re deploying more DBs. Working out of dime and nickel. They’re giving us underneath stuff. We were so pass centric for first couple of weeks. We need to integrate more balance. Yesterday was a good sign to the rest of the league that we will run effectively if you try to play small and defend the pass. 

 

It would help if we had a good TE too. Right now teams are selling out to take our WRs out of the game and daring us to beat then with our RBs and TEs. Finally yesterday we showed we can run the ball. A TE that could run seam routes and catch the ball would be a huge help.

[H2o]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

1. A TE that could run seam routes

2. and catch the ball would be a huge help.

1. Check

2. 

 

..... If only Knox spent his every waking hour with a Jugs machine. 

[Buffalo Boy]

16 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

The consequence of running more is Josh gets fewer game reps, so he might be a little rusty. Also Davis dropped a TD, which could’ve boosted his stats a little. No TD passes in two games doesn’t look great. 

The pass to Davis was beautiful. Hate the kid didn’t catch it but rookies gonna rookie sometimes.

I would like to see them send McKenzie on some fly routes. Diggs and Brown don’t have that kind of  scary speed

15 minutes ago, golfball323 said:

Josh's development is still in progress. He doesn't have the quick strike (in terms of time from snap) club in his bag yet. Remember all those games where Brady, Rivers and Manning would have against us where they got rid of the ball under two seconds?

 

Josh needs to develop that for us to become a complete offense.

 

We need to have shallower routes for him to go to.

[John from Riverside]

If teams are going to play all those DBs it makes sense to run the ball......a lot

 

It just worked on Sunday.

 

As far as Allen..I think BB still confuses Josh a bit....but he definately showed improvement against him on Sunday

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

I would still like to see us take a couple of deep shots to keep the defense honest and have the WR compete for the ball, or hope for a pass interference at least.

[Big Turk]

34 minutes ago, Success said:

I mean, it's a little tough to gauge from yesterday.  The conditions were just bad, for both QB's.  

 

I thought Allen made good decisions yesterday, all things considered.  If you look at most of the passes on both sides, neither QB was trying to thread any needles. They mainly threw it when guys were pretty open.

 

 

Sal said they weren't actually that bad...just a few gusts from time to time.

9 minutes ago, H2o said:

1. Check

2. 

 

..... If only Knox spent his every waking hour with a Jugs machine. 

 

Just as a question...why can't a WR run a seam route?

[H2o]

2 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

Just as a question...why can't a WR run a seam route?

They can, but they don't draw LB's in coverage like  a TE does. 

[transplantbillsfan]

Let's not discount how incredibly windy it was yesterday.  Allen may have been a little more hesitant to throw the ball to covered WRs because of the wind.  He had Davis in the EZ for what should have been a TD and the INT seemed pretty clearly like a miscommunication based off Diggs patting his own chest on the sideline appearing to say "that was on me."

 

Allen is the QB we need in the late Fall and early Winter in Buffalo.  I'm confident about that.

 

He just needs to keep progressing against zone coverages, which I think he's doing.

 

We beat the Patriots and our Offense generally moved the ball pretty easily against a Bill Bellichick coached Defense.  I'm still stoked.

[ILBillsfan]

22 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

If teams are going to play all those DBs it makes sense to run the ball......a lot

 

It just worked on Sunday.

 

As far as Allen..I think BB still confuses Josh a bit....but he definately showed improvement against him on Sunday

That audible vs the cover zero blitz says otherwise he got the hoodie there for a nice twenty yard gain to Brown

[Mat68]

30 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

The pass to Davis was beautiful. Hate the kid didn’t catch it but rookies gonna rookie sometimes.

I would like to see them send McKenzie on some fly routes. Diggs and Brown don’t have that kind of  scary speed

We need to have shallower routes for him to go to.

McKenzie cant track the ball the way Brown or Diggs do.  Mckenzie is a decent back up in the slot and his jet sweeps.  Thats really it.  

[JaCrispy]

Allen...he is less decisive against zone and, as a result, tends to hold onto the ball too long.

[34-78-83]

56 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Allen hasn't been throwing the ball like he was in the first 4 weeks. He isn't bad but he is also clearly needs to relax and get back to his easy flow in the first 4 weeks. 

 

If you watch first 4 weeks he was like a leaf in the wind with his motion, his motion has been more tense as of late and it changed the way his passes come out.

Part of that is also because of a heavy constant sleet in one game (KC) and 20-40 mph gusts in another (yesterday vs NE).

[BubbaT]

Facing 6 and 7 DB's will have that affect. Now showing they can run the ball might make throwing easier again.

[Buffalo Boy]

19 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

McKenzie cant track the ball the way Brown or Diggs do.  Mckenzie is a decent back up in the slot and his jet sweeps.  Thats really it.  

The point is to have a legit over the top guy. 
We honestly don’t know what he can do because Josh wasn’t able to throw deep with any sort of accuracy before this year.

Ted Ginn sucked until he got with Cam and all of a sudden he became a bonafide deep threat.

One deep TD to McKenzie and this O becomes less defendable at all distances if we are healthy.

[Rc2catch]

I put some blame on daboll and Allen. 
Allen loves the big play and gives up on the gimme throws at times while watching downfield. Daboll seems stubborn at implementing and calling a short pass game. Seems everyone goes 15-20 yards deep on lots of plays. I’d like to see Kroft worked in more in the 5-10 yard range. I also like singletary 1 on 1 in the flat. He may not be fast but 99% of the time the first guy is never going to tackle him.