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38 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

And a guy completely fooled play after play, wrong gap play after play. 
 

Edmunds has been getting a lot of free passes. He played really well last season in spurts but he’s just too inconsistent to be a great player. 

 

Maybe the sages can explain this, but for the entire second half, Edmunds seemed totally confused by the Rams offense.  I can understand missing tackles because of his injury, but to be completely in the wrong zip code when the play went his way was inexcusable.

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I’d say we got killed in the run more than the pass and it washere where Tremaine Edmunds stunk. He didn’t see where Henderson was going and seldom met him in the hole. It is debatable to fans whether his job is simply to watch a gap or find the ball but at some point you have to see the runner go right and he should go to meet him, he did not. He was also very easily taken out of plays by any type of blocking KC and he seemed to not try to beat it, he simply gave up.

Edmunds drove me crazy most of the game (when the Bills were on D).

i don’t care what anybody sez, You don’t need all-22 to watch Edmunds. Henderson just kept cutting back from the called hole, and no one was there, over and over. Edmunds would stand behind the pile as Henderson ran down feild.

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5 hours ago, Bangarang said:

I know fans like him but Harrison Phillips is such a meh player to me. 

 

Id like to see oliver get more reps over him. 

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5 hours ago, ILBillsfan said:
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The worst part of the Rams’ comeback, from a Bills perspective, had to be Allen’s temporary relapse into old habits that led to multiple negative plays. Perhaps it was complacency with a big lead, or Allen pressing to put the game out of reach because he saw the defense struggling. Whatever the case, Allen lost his poise and control of the offense. He was evading the pocket prematurely, occasionally throwing off his back foot and failing to “live to fight another day” on plays that called for either a dump-off pass or a throwaway. Though, fortunately for the Bills, it was only temporary.

 

If he is referring to the interception in the cover one analysis Kroft is open and the defense player coming free off the tackle prevents this from being an even bigger play as it was open and to say it was a hero ball.  Some of those throws off his back foot was due to the line being continually pushed back into him and funny how he gave praise to Ford for holing his own.  Did not like this analysis but to each there own.

 

39:36 is a good review and show of the play in regards to the interception

 

 

and as always these guys do a good job breaking it down some nice clips of Donald owning Ford in this but Josh gets the ball out quick enough 17:55 that swim move on Ford man taking advantage of the OL with his head down

The thing with Josh is that once he leaves the pocket something clicks in his head to say no matter what I am not taking a sack. Sometimes I wish he would just live to see another day but I think that is what makes Allen special is that do give up mentality.

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No way Micah Hyde got a B+ he didn't have any INTs or PBUs!

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1 hour ago, GG said:

 

Maybe the sages can explain this, but for the entire second half, Edmunds seemed totally confused by the Rams offense.  I can understand missing tackles because of his injury, but to be completely in the wrong zip code when the play went his way was inexcusable.

Here's one from Cover1. Do you see where it breaks down?

 

 

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1 hour ago, Penfield45 said:

 

Id like to see oliver get more reps over him. 

 

You do realize they play different roles, right...

 

 

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Here's one from Cover1. Do you see where it breaks down?

 

 

 

Epenesa screwed the pooch on that play as well, but chalk that up to inexperience.   I have no idea what Edmunds was doing...

 

 

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1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Nonsense. Does he occasionally hit the wrong gap, particularly early in a year when there was little offseason work? Yeah.

 

But he's been very very good as he develops through the years... when not injured. Joe points it out and it's there to be seen anyway. 

 

The injury obviously had an effect in that game, as anyone would expect. He'll be fine as he recovers physically and the defense plays together.

Like I said he’s been very good in spurts and awful in others.... dude was flat out awful in the 2nd half Sunday. Terrible. Worst defensive player on the field terrible. 
 

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5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Here's one from Cover1. Do you see where it breaks down?

 

 

Was this before or after Woods took the pitch for 18 yards to the right when entire Bills line went left?

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4 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

You do realize they play different roles, right...

 

Epenesa screwed the pooch on that play as well, but chalk that up to inexperience.   I have no idea what Edmunds was doing...

Correct. Epenesa shows his inexperience and allows the TE to move him which kills Johnson's angle. Edmunds is playing Bgap, Milano Agap

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6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Here's one from Cover1. Do you see where it breaks down?

 

 

Why are people just focusing on the run defense? The defense(particularly Edmunds)was completely lost in all aspects of the game Sunday. 

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Just now, ScottLaw said:

Why are people just focusing on the run defense? The defense(particularly Edmunds)was completely lost in all aspects of the game Sunday. 

If you have some examples that would be helpful, otherwise not 

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9 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

If you have some examples that would be helpful, otherwise not 

Get NFL game pass and rewatch the game.... dude was a hot mess in the 3rd and 4th. Getting blown off the ball, easily engaged and blocked, wrong gaps, terrible missed tackles, over pursing. . 
 

Check out Woods TD to make the game 28-17. Olay! 

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1 hour ago, Penfield45 said:

 

Id like to see oliver get more reps over him. 

 

Pssssst. 

 

One plays 1 tech.  The other plays 3 tech.  They aren't substituting one for the other.

 

1 hour ago, Protocal69 said:

The thing with Josh is that once he leaves the pocket something clicks in his head to say no matter what I am not taking a sack. Sometimes I wish he would just live to see another day but I think that is what makes Allen special is that do give up mentality.

 

I don't mind Allen not wanting to take a sack  Taking sacks is a bad deal, some consider it almost as bad as a turnover.

 

But he needs to learn when to just throw it away and live for the next down.  There's no point in risking injury wrassling 480 lbs of linebacker to the ground and stiff arming Donald, only to sail a ball out the back of the endzone in the face of a 4th defender.

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11 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Get NFL game pass and rewatch the game.... dude was a hot mess in the 3rd and 4th. Getting blown off the ball, easily engaged and blocked, wrong gaps, terrible missed tackles, over pursing. . 
 

Check out Woods TD to make the game 28-17. Olay! 

We all saw it. He took a bad angle and missed the tackle.

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9 hours ago, Bangarang said:

I know fans like him but Harrison Phillips is such a meh player to me. 

We kept the wrong Phillips

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10 hours ago, Bangarang said:

I know fans like him but Harrison Phillips is such a meh player to me. 

 

He has been considerably worse than meh through 3 weeks. 

 

I am lower than Joe on Milano this week. Not that he didn't do better on the all22 than I immediately thought on tv angle but he still had some run fit mistakes as well. Other than that I agree with his grades. 

 

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11 hours ago, Bangarang said:

I know fans like him but Harrison Phillips is such a meh player to me. 

He's coming off two knee surgeries. He needs some time to get back into things. Let's check back later in the season and see where he is at.

 

He was definately looking pretty good last year before his injury, in my opinion, and hasn't gotten back to that yet.

 

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3 minutes ago, MJS said:

He's coming off two knee surgeries. He needs some time to get back into things. Let's check back later in the season and see where he is at.

 

He was definately looking pretty good last year before his injury, in my opinion, and hasn't gotten back to that yet.

 

 

The problem is whether the Bills have that time. If they decide they need to go grab an alternative space eater then to me Phillips is on the hot seat. 

 

As for the Edmunds chat - this was Tremaine's career in microcosm. He is a vital cog in pass defense because of what he takes away but he continues to have run game struggles. My concern on the run game work is that this season looks more through 2 games like his rookie year rather than year 2 where I think he did find a little bit more consistency in that area. The Raiders and Titans worry me less because they are a bit more "straight ahead" as running teams. There isn't quite as much misdirection as the Rams. But you better know when we play New England Belichick is gonna give Edmunds a dozen things to look at every play because he knows if you can get him out of his gap the Bills D can be susceptible.

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