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37 minutes ago, aristocrat said:


no quite the opposite. It’s always funny libs hear these absurd conversations and those that mean right never hear them

 

You all are being disingenuous.  This is a common theme in deeply disturbed Trumpland. 

Here some examples...

 

Soon after the F.B.I. searched Donald J. Trump’s home in Florida for classified documents, online researchers zeroed in on a worrying trend.

Posts on Twitter that mentioned “civil war” had soared nearly 3,000 percent in just a few hours as Mr. Trump’s supporters blasted the action as a provocation. Similar spikes followed, including on Facebook, Reddit, Telegram, Parler, Gab and Truth Social, Mr. Trump’s social media platform. Mentions of the phrase more than doubled on radio programs and podcasts, as measured by Critical Mention, a media-tracking firm.

 

In northwestern Wisconsin, the chairman of the St. Croix County Republican Party was forced to resign Friday after refusing for a week after the siege to remove an online post urging followers to “prepare for war.”

 

The incoming chairwoman of the Michigan GOP and her husband, a state lawmaker, have joined a conservative social media site created after the Capitol riot where the possibility of civil war is a topic.

 

Phil Reynolds, a member of the GOP central committee in California’s Santa Clara County, appeared to urge on insurrectionists on social media during the Jan. 6 attack, declaring on Facebook: “The war has begun. Citizens take arms! Drumroll please….. Civil War or No Civil War?”

 

“Did you know that a governor can declare war?” Mr. Flynn said at the fund-raiser on Sept. 18, for Mark Finchem, a Republican running for secretary of state in Arizona. “And we’re going to probably, we are probably going to see that.”

 

It is possible however that all these sources are fakenews. 

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6 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

You all are being disingenuous.  This is a common theme in deeply disturbed Trumpland. 

Here some examples...

 

Soon after the F.B.I. searched Donald J. Trump’s home in Florida for classified documents, online researchers zeroed in on a worrying trend.

Posts on Twitter that mentioned “civil war” had soared nearly 3,000 percent in just a few hours as Mr. Trump’s supporters blasted the action as a provocation. Similar spikes followed, including on Facebook, Reddit, Telegram, Parler, Gab and Truth Social, Mr. Trump’s social media platform. Mentions of the phrase more than doubled on radio programs and podcasts, as measured by Critical Mention, a media-tracking firm.

 

In northwestern Wisconsin, the chairman of the St. Croix County Republican Party was forced to resign Friday after refusing for a week after the siege to remove an online post urging followers to “prepare for war.”

 

The incoming chairwoman of the Michigan GOP and her husband, a state lawmaker, have joined a conservative social media site created after the Capitol riot where the possibility of civil war is a topic.

 

Phil Reynolds, a member of the GOP central committee in California’s Santa Clara County, appeared to urge on insurrectionists on social media during the Jan. 6 attack, declaring on Facebook: “The war has begun. Citizens take arms! Drumroll please….. Civil War or No Civil War?”

 

“Did you know that a governor can declare war?” Mr. Flynn said at the fund-raiser on Sept. 18, for Mark Finchem, a Republican running for secretary of state in Arizona. “And we’re going to probably, we are probably going to see that.”

 

It is possible however that all these sources are fakenews. 

The civil war you are concerning yourself with will look very much like the recent NAZI DAY OF HATE and the republican push to ban contraceptives (please don’t suggest that abortifacients are contraceptives again).
 

I’m not suggesting you not stay concerned about it. The opposite. Be VERY concerned. Even though it will seem like another complete non-story, don’t be fooled. 

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29 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

You all are being disingenuous.  This is a common theme in deeply disturbed Trumpland. 

Here some examples...

 

Soon after the F.B.I. searched Donald J. Trump’s home in Florida for classified documents, online researchers zeroed in on a worrying trend.

Posts on Twitter that mentioned “civil war” had soared nearly 3,000 percent in just a few hours as Mr. Trump’s supporters blasted the action as a provocation. Similar spikes followed, including on Facebook, Reddit, Telegram, Parler, Gab and Truth Social, Mr. Trump’s social media platform. Mentions of the phrase more than doubled on radio programs and podcasts, as measured by Critical Mention, a media-tracking firm.

 

In northwestern Wisconsin, the chairman of the St. Croix County Republican Party was forced to resign Friday after refusing for a week after the siege to remove an online post urging followers to “prepare for war.”

 

The incoming chairwoman of the Michigan GOP and her husband, a state lawmaker, have joined a conservative social media site created after the Capitol riot where the possibility of civil war is a topic.

 

Phil Reynolds, a member of the GOP central committee in California’s Santa Clara County, appeared to urge on insurrectionists on social media during the Jan. 6 attack, declaring on Facebook: “The war has begun. Citizens take arms! Drumroll please….. Civil War or No Civil War?”

 

“Did you know that a governor can declare war?” Mr. Flynn said at the fund-raiser on Sept. 18, for Mark Finchem, a Republican running for secretary of state in Arizona. “And we’re going to probably, we are probably going to see that.”

 

It is possible however that all these sources are fakenews. 

For some reason, stealth seems important to all these folks...I guess they desire the element of surprise.  Not happening.  And yes, there are true patriots who won't let it occur.

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1 hour ago, BillStime said:

 

Mr. Trump has denied all wrongdoing, as well as having had an affair with Ms. Daniels, and has blasted the investigation as politically motivated. He has also called Mr. Bragg, a Democrat and the first Black person to serve as the district attorney, a “racist.” 😂😂😂

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https://www.mediaite.com/trump/protest-protest-protest-trump-literally-triples-down-on-call-for-action-by-supporters-over-potential-indictment-arrest/

 

“THEY’RE KILLING OUR NATION AS WE SIT BACK & WATCH. WE MUST SAVE AMERICA!PROTEST, PROTEST, PROTEST!!!” he wrote in all caps.

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49 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

You all are being disingenuous.  This is a common theme in deeply disturbed Trumpland. 

Here some examples...

 

Soon after the F.B.I. searched Donald J. Trump’s home in Florida for classified documents, online researchers zeroed in on a worrying trend.

Posts on Twitter that mentioned “civil war” had soared nearly 3,000 percent in just a few hours as Mr. Trump’s supporters blasted the action as a provocation. Similar spikes followed, including on Facebook, Reddit, Telegram, Parler, Gab and Truth Social, Mr. Trump’s social media platform. Mentions of the phrase more than doubled on radio programs and podcasts, as measured by Critical Mention, a media-tracking firm.

 

In northwestern Wisconsin, the chairman of the St. Croix County Republican Party was forced to resign Friday after refusing for a week after the siege to remove an online post urging followers to “prepare for war.”

 

The incoming chairwoman of the Michigan GOP and her husband, a state lawmaker, have joined a conservative social media site created after the Capitol riot where the possibility of civil war is a topic.

 

Phil Reynolds, a member of the GOP central committee in California’s Santa Clara County, appeared to urge on insurrectionists on social media during the Jan. 6 attack, declaring on Facebook: “The war has begun. Citizens take arms! Drumroll please….. Civil War or No Civil War?”

 

“Did you know that a governor can declare war?” Mr. Flynn said at the fund-raiser on Sept. 18, for Mark Finchem, a Republican running for secretary of state in Arizona. “And we’re going to probably, we are probably going to see that.”

 

It is possible however that all these sources are fakenews. 


Oh I’m sure keyboard warriors talk this ***** in their parents basements but it means nothing. I’m saying you’re full of ***** claiming you heard guys talking in the open.  @BillStime talks about civil war as well it’s not really a one sided argument.  Look at @redtail hawkpost on how he claims he saw nazis recruiting posters at a hiking trailhead but has no pictures, no police reports or social media posts on it. Zero proof and 100 percent made up on his end to somehow prove nazis are everywhere.  It’s bull 

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14 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

It's well known that those like you who are abnormal have a difficult time recognizing normal.

 

To this day - they defend this... there is NOTHING normal about this... 

 

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A little legal analysis of the possible criminal charges, starting with Stormy Daniels:

 

- first, the facts: the claim would be that Trump fraudulently characterized as "legal fees" a hush money payment he made through old lawyer Michael Cohen to Stormy Daniels. There doesn't seem to be any dispute that he did this. The new lawyer - Joe Tacopino - is out there saying that Trump was told by Cohen that this payment was actually for some kind of (unspecified) legal fee, and that Trump therefore can't be held responsible for following his lawyer's advice.  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-lawyer-puts-forward-stormy-daniels-hush-money-defense-s-not-crim-rcna75082

 

Is this a good charge? Well, it depends. We already know Cohen has done a 180 and is now ready, willing, and able to thrown Trump under the bus for any and everything they did. So Cohen the witness will say "he knew damn well this was not for my legal fees; I was just the intermediary redirecting the money to Stormy Daniels" (To have some kind of plausible deniability ... to Melania? To the public in case the scandal came out? Because, like his CFO guy Weisselberg, he's just a cheap ass trying to avoid a bit more taxation while paying off hookers? Who knows.)  It probably wouldn't be a crime if he'd used his own personal money, but he seems to have used the Trump Company money and (you guessed it) treated it as a legitimate business expense. They don't seem inclined to argue that, so the defense relies on impugning the credibility of Cohen. And he's a pretty easy target ("you did this as part of some kind of cooperation agreement, right? You told him this was a kosher legal expense, right?), but the best witness to rebut Cohen is Trump. And there's no way he's testifying in his own defense. That would be the kind of field day any prosecutor would love. (It doesn't help Trump here that he still officially denies paying a porno actor for sex, which is, well, exactly what he did.) So yeah, it's a good prosecution. By which I mean: the legal theory is sound; the witness is there; there's a good chance of getting a conviction.

 

But ... Should the DA bring such a prosecution? I'd say no. It's not a particularly important issue, and there's no underlying greater purpose (other than exposing the general sleaziness of Trump and to further signal the DA's fundamental dislike of him). For example: if Stormy were plausibly claiming that he sexually harassed her and the bogus payoff was the easiest charge they could bring, there'd be a strong public purpose in doing so. I don't see that here, and it could certainly backfire: Trump could be acquitted, he could benefit from playing the victim card again, etc. After all, his supporters view his scumbaggery as a feature, not as a bug.

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Did the IRS go after Al Capone?

1931 - The IRS Intelligence Unit used an undercover agent to gather evidence against gangster Al Capone. Capone was convicted of tax evasion and sentenced to 11 years.

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more and more this looks like trump wants it. puts him in the news cycle.

 

unless this is some high crime, its not looking good for the DA from a PR standpoint.  in any shape or form.

 

IF they end up just ticketing him for a misdemeanor, its going to be horrid optics.

 

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, ALF said:

Did the IRS go after Al Capone?

1931 - The IRS Intelligence Unit used an undercover agent to gather evidence against gangster Al Capone. Capone was convicted of tax evasion and sentenced to 11 years.

Exactly.  The relevant question is:  Would they be prosecuting this if he never became prez?  I think they would.  He's been thumbing his nose and middle fingering the legal system in NY his whole life.  The sleazy, salacious side is interesting but doesn't matter.  Anyone who doesn't know that about him already is a cultist.

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1 minute ago, redtail hawk said:

Exactly.  The relevant question is:  Would they be prosecuting this if he never became prez?  I think they would.  He's been thumbing his nose and middle fingering the legal system in NY his whole life.  The sleazy, salacious side is interesting but doesn't matter.  Anyone who doesn't know that about him already is a cultist.

 

You realize the charge is paying hush money because he's running for prez and using campaign funds to do it, right?  So the answer would be: obviously not.

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24 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

You realize the charge is paying hush money because he's running for prez and using campaign funds to do it, right?  So the answer would be: obviously not.

did u consider the scenario in which he ran and lost in 2016?  how the hell did you get thru gross anatomy and physiology?

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13 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

did u consider the scenario in which he ran and lost in 2016?  how the hell did you get thru gross anatomy and physiology?

then he would do like clinton and Obama did and pay a fine?

 

In the big picture, stormy got ripped off. Old billy gave paula like 850K way back in the 90's

 

 

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then he would do like clinton and Obama did and pay a fine?

 

In the big picture, stormy got ripped off. Old billy gave paula like 850K way back in the 90's

 

 

nope.  I think the Al Capone analogy is great.  He's slippery and slimy as an oiled eel.  You get him on what you can.

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54 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

Exactly.  The relevant question is:  Would they be prosecuting this if he never became prez?  I think they would.  He's been thumbing his nose and middle fingering the legal system in NY his whole life.  The sleazy, salacious side is interesting but doesn't matter.  Anyone who doesn't know that about him already is a cultist.

I'm 100% positive they would not be prosecuting this if he wasn't some perceived threat to the folks running the show.  Its a Federal charge the DOJ decided not to pursue.  But DA Bragg is attempting to contort the paying of funds into some violation of NYS law. 

 

George Washing University Law Professor Jonathan Turley said it best, that the DA’s case against Trump “is legally pathetic” and “is struggling to twist state laws to effectively prosecute a federal case long ago rejected by the Justice Department against Trump.” 

 

While Trump is clearly a far from perfect human being with questionable ethics, I cannot stop asking the question that if he's done so much bad stuff then why can't anyone produce credible and factual evidence of these transgressions that can pass the threshold of court admissibility in order to charge and convict him on something other than what is clearly trivial along with what I can only expect will be another nothing burger flop?   You might classify his supporters as cultists but the true cultists are those obsessed with pursuing a political vendetta to punish the man for daring to beat the establishment chosen one in 2016.  Its not about justice, its about revenge.  And revenge can be a futile pursuit.  Bragg should just move on to other things like all the shootings and other violent crime in NY and stop pandering to street criminals by treating them as victims while ignoring the real victims they prey upon.  The biggest douche in this story is the DA.

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13 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I'm 100% positive they would not be prosecuting this if he wasn't some perceived threat to the folks running the show.  Its a Federal charge the DOJ decided not to pursue.  But DA Bragg is attempting to contort the paying of funds into some violation of NYS law. 

 

George Washing University Law Professor Jonathan Turley said it best, that the DA’s case against Trump “is legally pathetic” and “is struggling to twist state laws to effectively prosecute a federal case long ago rejected by the Justice Department against Trump.” 

 

While Trump is clearly a far from perfect human being with questionable ethics, I cannot stop asking the question that if he's done so much bad stuff then why can't anyone produce credible and factual evidence of these transgressions that can pass the threshold of court admissibility in order to charge and convict him on something other than what is clearly trivial along with what I can only expect will be another nothing burger flop?   You might classify his supporters as cultists but the true cultists are those obsessed with pursuing a political vendetta to punish the man for daring to beat the establishment chosen one in 2016.  Its not about justice, its about revenge.  And revenge can be a futile pursuit.  Bragg should just move on to other things like all the shootings and other violent crime in NY and stop pandering to street criminals by treating them as victims while ignoring the real victims they prey upon.  The biggest douche in this story is the DA.

 

he's lost multiple court cases but never a criminal one as far as I know.  As a landlord, he lost a discrimination case for, example.  He's a master at plausible deniability.  He learned many lessons from scumbag Roy Cohen.  But this crime happened on the biggest stage in the world.

 

I get the "life ain't fair" sentiment of some voters.  They love giving the middle finger to the establishment even if practically, nothing really changes for them.  Guess what?  Life really isn't fair.  The womb lottery largely decides our destiny.

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"The fact that Trump is doing considerably better among Republican voters of color than White Republicans flies in the face of the fact that many Americans view Trump as racist...."

 

Writes Harry Enten, in "Voters of color are a big reason Trump leads the GOP primary" (CNN).

 

 

Click for more » https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/19/politics/trump-voters-of-color-analysis/

 

 

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2 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

"The fact that Trump is doing considerably better among Republican voters of color than White Republicans flies in the face of the fact that many Americans view Trump as racist...."

 

Writes Harry Enten, in "Voters of color are a big reason Trump leads the GOP primary" (CNN).

 

 

Click for more » https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/19/politics/trump-voters-of-color-analysis/

 

 

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there are dumb people among all races.  This is just more dumbing down of the party.

 

"While voters of color don’t make up nearly the same share of the Republican party as White voters with a college degree, the difference isn’t all that large. This means that if Trump ultimately does as well with Republican voters of color as the current polling indicates, it would be a good counterbalance for his weakness among White voters with a college degree."

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Democrats’ Daddy Issues With Trump Aren’t Going to Work Out Well for Them. 

 

“They’re blinded by rage and won’t stop until they get some red meat footage for the 14 viewers who still watch MSNBC and CNN.”

 

 

https://pjmedia.com/columns/stephen-kruiser/2023/03/20/the-morning-briefing-democrats-daddy-issues-with-trump-arent-going-to-work-out-well-for-them-n1679784

 

 

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40 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

did u consider the scenario in which he ran and lost in 2016?  how the hell did you get thru gross anatomy and physiology?

 

Fair enough.  I read it as running for prez.  Which he's doing again and why they're desperate to get him for anything, to try and derail it (for some reason since he stands a good chance of losing in 2024).

 

23 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

nope.  I think the Al Capone analogy is great.  He's slippery and slimy as an oiled eel.  You get him on what you can.

 

Like Slick and the BJ.

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38 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

 

he's lost multiple court cases but never a criminal one as far as I know.  As a landlord, he lost a discrimination case for, example.  He's a master at plausible deniability.  He learned many lessons from scumbag Roy Cohen.  But this crime happened on the biggest stage in the world.

 

I get the "life ain't fair" sentiment of some voters.  They love giving the middle finger to the establishment even if practically, nothing really changes for them.  Guess what?  Life really isn't fair.  The womb lottery largely decides our destiny.

I agree with your assessment of life but this is an attempt to dress up what is a campaign financing misdemeanor charge into some sort of state level felony charge.  Its not going to stick to the wall. 

 

And while I generally hate the one person does it and gets away with it and another person does it and doesn't get away with it argument, I'll make my last post on the topic here to point out the Clinton campaign did the exact same thing when routing the Russian Dossier payment to Christopher Steele thru their law firm and FusionGPS and characterizing the payment a customary campaign expenditure.  Misrepresenting a campaign expenditure.  What they received was a FERC fine.

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13 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Like Slick and the BJ.

 

 

 

"Whataboutism" is the word they fed to the world's dumbest people to bar inquiry into whether they and their side abide by the standards they impose on others:

 

* "I'm enraged: Trump embraced Saudi tyrants! Unprecedented!"

 

* "Obama, Biden & Clinton did that."

 

* "Whataboutism!":

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, redtail hawk said:

nope.  I think the Al Capone analogy is great.  He's slippery and slimy as an oiled eel.  You get him on what you can.

So dudes been investigated non stop at the highest levels. for decades and not one charge stuck.

 

 

 

Do the crime, pay the time.

 

investigators cant find a crime, but his ass in jail.

 

even while listening in on his calls and communications, they couldn't find actual evidence of these high crimes.

 

and full circle that spying on an American running for office is not a high crime.

 

Its kind of epic that NY is doing this as NY just got done with going over board on bail reform, prison reform.

 

 

 

 

this sounds like the dude in the office show that always said, strait to jail.

 

 

 

 

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Sorta like this site.  Anyone with a different opinion is a communist even if they're demonstrably capitalists.  But they are the "other" and therefore enemies...

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11879305/Hell-conclusive-irrefutable-Trump-celebrates-lawyer-slap-Michael-Cohen-claims.html

 

'REMEMBER, THE SAME ANIMALS AND THUGS THAT WOULD DO THIS TO PERHAPS 200 MILLION PEOPLE, BUT ACTUALLY ALL AMERICANS, ARE THE COMMUNISTS, MARXISTS, RINOS, AND LOSERS THAT ARE PURPOSEFULLY DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY!' he wrote on his social media platform, Truth Media. 

Trump on Saturday said he believed he 'WILL BE ARRESTED ON TUESDAY OF NEXT WEEK'. 

 

Winning!

https://apnews.com/article/trump-indictment-new-york-jan-6-protest-f19306253133d9dacd65667bd5b4650c

 

“You have no liberty or rights there,” he tweeted.

One of Alexander’s allies in the “Stop the Steal” campaign was conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, who amplified the election fraud claims on his Infowars show. Alexander posted that he had spoken to Jones and said that neither of them would be protesting this time around.

“We’ve both got enough going on fighting the government,” Alexander wrote. “No billionaire is covering our bills.”

 

Pu$$ies..

 

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https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Arrestmas&src=trend_click&vertical=trends

 

twitter mob got #arrestmas trending. you cant make it up.  

 

 

 

Never mind its mostly PAC And PAC profiles amplifying it.  Both pro trump and against trump.  

 

 

 

But no one is talking about banks, China payments or Ukraine. 

 

 

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