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Yeah wayyy to soon to give up on knox. Made a great grab over the middle and the ball was ripped out. Not a drop on his part. Give him a few more weeks (after recovering from the concussion) and he will be rolling

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1 hour ago, BillsMafi$ said:

Contract negotiations not going well in Philly. They already have Goedert. Wonder what it would take. 

 

1st off they can't afford him without cutting others and cutting even more next season.

 

2nd, the Bills are keeping Knox on the field, so how many times are they going to go with two TE's.  And at the expense of sitting which of the three wide outs.  Maybe we'll sit Diggs.

 

3rd, with the 3 main WR's and even throw in Davis as a 4th, how many targets will the TE even get in this offense.

 

4th to be able to afford the 3 top WR's the team has, you have to have cheap rookie contracts at other spots.  San Fran has Kittle, but the WR group isn't anything that special.  KC does have a pretty good group and Kerse, but likely are saving in other places.  So having Knox there, and Gillian, and Sweeney is a good thing.

 

I'm sure you can show statistically how this will work out great based on simulations in Madden, but when you actually have to pay guys, not so much.

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No.  We have weapons as it is and this is not the year to be trading away O-line help, which is what the Eagles desperately need in a trade for Ertz.  Not to mention that, even if the Eagles don't want players for Ertz, we're going to need every draft pick if we're gonna start paying Allen $40M a year.

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On 9/15/2020 at 1:23 PM, appoo said:

I started this thread like a week before game 1 when word of Ertz's contract issues surfaced. 

 

Here's the thing - The Bills likely have a 2-3 year window at most. 

1) Allen likely gets paid next year

2) Milano will get paid this off season 

3) In 2 years, Oliver will get paid

4) John Brown and Cole Beasley probably will degrade next year 

5) Quinton Spain is 29, Mitch Morse is 28, Daryl Williams is 28, Ty Neshke is 34. Outside of Ford, Dawkins and Bates the line is going to have to get overhauled in about 2 years .

 

CURRENTLY, the Bills have a glaring hole at not only TE, but in terms of a large target in general. We don't have size outside of the rookie, other than a very aberage TE in Dawson Knox. 

 

Ertz is one of the 3 best TEs in the League, flat out, in his prime. His cap hit, if sign and extend for 3 years, would be about $12M. 5.3M in Cap Space now, about $4M next year, and we can easily free up more with off season cuts to folks like Mario Addison (+6M),  Star (+4M), and Cole Beasley (+4M).

 

Adding Ertz means you eat a bit of depth by replacing vets with rookies or cheap F/A NEXT year, but it also means you have an even better shot at winning this thing this year or next year. 

 

You do this every opportunity you get. Ertz turns a really good offense, to one of the 3 best in the NFL, with probably the best weapons of any team in the league. 


no.  Making these types of moves is how you create a 2-3 year window.  Bills are building the team for sustained success.  

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Too much money. We need to be looking at ways to cut cap next year, not spend big money on a soon to be 30yr old TE. We’ve got weapons, they just need to develop. 
 

I really think it’s going to be a lot of draft and develop for the next couple seasons with the cap being affected by Covid

 

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Cole Beasley + 2nd would likely land Ertz, in terms of balancing the cap. You would have him running those middle, possession and seam routes instead of Cole as well, and you can do more with Gabe Davis. You can extend him in such a way that you probably limit his cap hit to 8-12M, or put another way, 2 - 5M more of a cap hit than Cole Beasley the next 3 years. Basically, this is not a huge deal for the Bills. They can easily work around this. 

 

Especially considering Ertz is an absolute stud. 

 

The Bill haven't had a SB window since Jim Kelly retired. They have one now. They should do pretty much everything to maximize that opportunity. 

 

The CAP isn't a huge blockage, a low 2nd round pick shouldn't stop you. Upgrading your slot, seam and middle from Beasley to Ertz is absolutely not going to stop you. 

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On 9/21/2020 at 4:34 AM, Kmart128 said:

As much as id like it we may be in line to give both Milano and Allen huge extensions at some point. 

 

It would be smarter to draft a TE in 1st round if we want an elite talent there. That way they would be on a rookie deal

 

Mario Addison (+6M)

Vernon Butler (+6.8M)

Lee Smith (2.3M)

 

Give you the space to resign Milano to the 21 cap. 

 

You extend Allen to impact the 2022 cap, where they'll have about  80M in space assuming trading and then extending Ertz, re-signing Milano, with White, Diggs, and Morse all signed.  You can structure Allen's extension in such a way where a HUGE chunk of it goes into the 2022 cap. 

 

The 21 Bills are going to be loaded. 

The 22 Bills should have a very solid base, with Allen, Moss, Singletary, Diggs, and Ertz as your offensive core, with White, Poyer, Edwards, Oliver, AJ, and Milano still aboard, and about 30M in space to fill the roster. 

 

23 Allen's hit starts to fade, and you get your Oliver hit.

 

In the meantime, you're drafting RTs, WRs, and Safeties to protect against the purges in those positions. 

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8 minutes ago, appoo said:

 

Mario Addison (+6M)

Vernon Butler (+6.8M)

Lee Smith (2.3M)

 

Give you the space to resign Milano to the 21 cap. 

 

You extend Allen to impact the 2022 cap, where they'll have about  80M in space assuming trading and then extending Ertz, re-signing Milano, with White, Diggs, and Morse all signed.  You can structure Allen's extension in such a way where a HUGE chunk of it goes into the 2022 cap. 

 

The 21 Bills are going to be loaded. 

The 22 Bills should have a very solid base, with Allen, Moss, Singletary, Diggs, and Ertz as your offensive core, with White, Poyer, Edwards, Oliver, AJ, and Milano still aboard, and about 30M in space to fill the roster. 

 

23 Allen's hit starts to fade, and you get your Oliver hit.

 

In the meantime, you're drafting RTs, WRs, and Safeties to protect against the purges in those positions. 

 

With the current cap space rolled over to next year gives you 2.5 million.

But that is for only 41 players on the roster.

Have you looked at the FA list for next year?  Money is also needed to re-sign/replace these guys.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/2021/

 

Sorry here are the FAs.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/buffalo-bills/

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On 9/21/2020 at 9:38 AM, Crayola64 said:


no.  Making these types of moves is how you create a 2-3 year window.  Bills are building the team for sustained success.  

 

Exactly.

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12 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

With the current cap space rolled over to next year gives you 2.5 million.

But that is for only 41 players on the roster.

Have you looked at the FA list for next year?  Money is also needed to re-sign/replace these guys.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/2021/

 

Sorry here are the FAs.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/buffalo-bills/

 

You raise a good point here, I forgot about COVID, and figured the CAP would be in the 210M range. 

 

If it's set at 175M, there's going to be a huge contractions of vets. We wouldn't be be able to replace most of those players. 

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I was looking forward to seeing if Sweeney had progressed this year...then the foot.

 

 

 

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40 minutes ago, appoo said:

 

Mario Addison (+6M)

Vernon Butler (+6.8M)

Lee Smith (2.3M)

 

Give you the space to resign Milano to the 21 cap. 

 

You extend Allen to impact the 2022 cap, where they'll have about  80M in space assuming trading and then extending Ertz, re-signing Milano, with White, Diggs, and Morse all signed.  You can structure Allen's extension in such a way where a HUGE chunk of it goes into the 2022 cap. 

 

The 21 Bills are going to be loaded. 

The 22 Bills should have a very solid base, with Allen, Moss, Singletary, Diggs, and Ertz as your offensive core, with White, Poyer, Edwards, Oliver, AJ, and Milano still aboard, and about 30M in space to fill the roster. 

 

23 Allen's hit starts to fade, and you get your Oliver hit.

 

In the meantime, you're drafting RTs, WRs, and Safeties to protect against the purges in those positions. 

And who do we replace addison with?  Butker?  Murphy is gone too

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If they keep the cap at 175M, then Bills, and everyone else, will be screwed. 

 

I am going to guess the cap will be closer to 205M. 175M is just not sustainable for teams. 

 

If the cap is 205M, then the Bills shouldn't have to worry too much about re-signing the middle class of their roster. 

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5 minutes ago, appoo said:

If they keep the cap at 175M, then Bills, and everyone else, will be screwed. 

 

I am going to guess the cap will be closer to 205M. 175M is just not sustainable for teams. 

 

If the cap is 205M, then the Bills shouldn't have to worry too much about re-signing the middle class of their roster. 

 

The cap next year is even beyond Beane's pay grade.  Brandon already said he is going with the 175 number.

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If the price was right, then why not!?!?!  But I don’t think the Bills will make a deal.  They do have high hopes for Dawson Knox and they like players like Tyler Kroft and Tommy Sweeney.  Plus they have been playing a lot of 4 wide.  So does it make sense to trade for a player that would be used sparingly and take reps away from a player who could be a rising star?

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16 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

If the price was right, then why not!?!?!  But I don’t think the Bills will make a deal.  They do have high hopes for Dawson Knox and they like players like Tyler Kroft and Tommy Sweeney.  Plus they have been playing a lot of 4 wide.  So does it make sense to trade for a player that would be used sparingly and take reps away from a player who could be a rising star?

 

It's not Knox that will give the Bills brass a 2nd though about trading for Ertiz, I think its Gabe Davis.  Kid has bigtime potential as a big target in the RZ, and making difficult contested catches in the intermediate and short areas. 

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No...injury prone and would cost too much. Now, Kelce, Kittle, Edwards, Higbee, and the Raiders TE is something that ain't happening but would be intriguing.

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On 9/15/2020 at 9:51 AM, Buffalo03 said:

The Eagles have two TEs and Dallas Goedert seems to have a big role in that offense. He actually seemed to be more effective than Ertz toward the end of last season and he out targeted Ertz on Sunday. Apparently, Ertz got into an argument with Howie Roseman in practice last week as well so, there could be some possible issues there. I wouldn't mind calling the Eagles just to see if they would be interested in doing something but a TE like Ertz in this offense would be great imo

 

I think Roseman is too smart to trade the parts of their offense that work

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On 9/21/2020 at 9:38 AM, Crayola64 said:


no.  Making these types of moves is how you create a 2-3 year window.  Bills are building the team for sustained success.  

The only requirement for sustained success is great consistent coaching and great consistent QBing. 
 

How did some of you watch the Pats for the last 20 years and somehow think that “draft picks!!!!” and “cap space!!!!” were so gosh darned important?

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think Roseman is too smart to trade the parts of their offense that work

This. Trading away Wentz’ most consistent target when he’s already struggling is just a bad move.

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