WEATHER DOT COM Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 minute ago, B-Man said: REMINDER: There is no epidemic of fatal police shootings against unarmed Black Americans. Opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 17 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: Opinion There are linked facts throughout the USA Today article that prove the title. If you had read the article, you would know that. and you wouldn't look so foolish. Wisconsin Governor, Kenosha Mayor To Trump: Don’t Come To Kenosha His trip would hurt the "healing process" https://hotair.com/archives/karen-townsend/2020/08/31/wisconsin-governor-kenosha-mayor-trump-dont-come-kenosha/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER DOT COM Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 minute ago, B-Man said: There are linked facts throughout the USA Today article that prove the title. It's an opinion. It's an editorial. Facts and figures play into that opinion. Get out of the basement, Boy Man. It's September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, B-Man said: There are linked facts throughout the USA Today article that prove the title. If you had read the article, you would know that. and you wouldn't look so foolish. Wisconsin Governor, Kenosha Mayor To Trump: Don’t Come To Kenosha His trip would hurt the "healing process" https://hotair.com/archives/karen-townsend/2020/08/31/wisconsin-governor-kenosha-mayor-trump-dont-come-kenosha/ What healing process??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 https://www.bullshido.net/anatomy-of-a-catastrophe/?fbclid=IwAR2eQx8FF3lMjMSsee62isn0Ac-iX1cOJXURsXCuSYmRAaGIyz9F9hys2PA pretty well thought out article on the situation. one guy prohibited from carrying a gun fires his gun while chasing another guy prohibited from carrying a gun and sets off a terrible sequence of events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 When are we changing the title of the thread ? After BLM chaos in Kenosha, ‘Black Voices for Trump’ move in to clean up trash, destruction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 12 hours ago, B-Man said: BUt tHeY DIdnT HaVE tO ShoOT Him 7 TiMEs !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Love how everyone synchronized their clocks as soon as the polls turned. Three months in, suddenly they realize there are riots and it's Trump's fault. Pathetic. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Ladies and Gentlemen. The President of the United States. A cop shooting a black man 7 times in the back is like missing a 3-foot putt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 21 hours ago, Sig1Hunter said: The cops saw it, and shouted for him to drop it. You can hear it on the video. I have no idea what's in his hand, but more importantly, the justification given by police as to why he was shot was that he was reaching for a knife in the car. Explain this logic, please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 3 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Good Lord, another link to a Vox short story? Last time you did this, it took two clicks to find a second article the novelist wrote contradicting the one you hung your hat on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 32 minutes ago, Kemp said: I have no idea what's in his hand, but more importantly, the justification given by police as to why he was shot was that he was reaching for a knife in the car. Explain this logic, please. So, the police were called to a domestic violence scene, where a terrified woman feared more victimization by a man she alleged to have violently assaulted here previously (in a Bidenesque attack, btw), he resists arrest, fights through being tazed 2x, rushes towards his car door and as a violent suspect, has something in his hand, and from your cushy perch in your layZboy you “have no idea what’s in his hand”....and question why people on the scene feared violence against them? Are you of the mind that the police should assume he was holding an ice cream cone? Should they have let him drive off? Not responded? Backed away when he refused to cooperate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 50 minutes ago, Kemp said: I have no idea what's in his hand, but more importantly, the justification given by police as to why he was shot was that he was reaching for a knife in the car. Explain this logic, please. I wonder if it were car keys, still never ever disobey police orders even if innocent . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 13 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: So, the police were called to a domestic violence scene, where a terrified woman feared more victimization by a man she alleged to have violently assaulted here previously (in a Bidenesque attack, btw), he resists arrest, fights through being tazed 2x, rushes towards his car door and as a violent suspect, has something in his hand, and from your cushy perch in your layZboy you “have no idea what’s in his hand”....and question why people on the scene feared violence against them? Are you of the mind that the police should assume he was holding an ice cream cone? Should they have let him drive off? Not responded? Backed away when he refused to cooperate? Of course not. The police should’ve called in the professionals at social services so they could express EXTREME empathy and talk everyone through it. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Kemp said: I have no idea what's in his hand, but more importantly, the justification given by police as to why he was shot was that he was reaching for a knife in the car. Explain this logic, please. You could have just left it at you have no idea, but that’s already obvious. Especially if i have to explain to you why cops have a right to protect themselves from someone holding/reaching for a knife. You aren’t interested in actually understanding that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 19 hours ago, aristocrat said: https://www.bullshido.net/anatomy-of-a-catastrophe/?fbclid=IwAR2eQx8FF3lMjMSsee62isn0Ac-iX1cOJXURsXCuSYmRAaGIyz9F9hys2PA pretty well thought out article on the situation. one guy prohibited from carrying a gun fires his gun while chasing another guy prohibited from carrying a gun and sets off a terrible sequence of events. Half of your statement is true, the rest is BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Of course not. The police should’ve called in the professionals at social services so they could express EXTREME empathy and talk everyone through it. ? For once, though, I appreciated the honesty of @Kemp in acknowledging what is painfully obvious...it’s impossible to know what is in the violent individual’s hand as he attempts to flee from a scene of domestic violence where police were implored to show up. It’s reasonable to debate what the officer’s response to a violent individual fighting through the police response and grabbing/grasping/holding some foreign object that could be anything from a handgun to a PB&J crustable to a cell phone. What’s not debatable is that the individuals who provided the response we all would hope to see in the event we were confronted by a violent offender had absolutely no idea what that object was, and in dealing with an unpredictable person in a highly tense situation, acted as if their lives depended on it because their lives depended on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 57 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: So, the police were called to a domestic violence scene, where a terrified woman feared more victimization by a man she alleged to have violently assaulted here previously (in a Bidenesque attack, btw), he resists arrest, fights through being tazed 2x, rushes towards his car door and as a violent suspect, has something in his hand, and from your cushy perch in your layZboy you “have no idea what’s in his hand”....and question why people on the scene feared violence against them? Are you of the mind that the police should assume he was holding an ice cream cone? Should they have let him drive off? Not responded? Backed away when he refused to cooperate? Should they have fired 7 bullets into his back is the question. My understanding of how these situations are supposed to be handled is that you shoot to kill when there are no other options. A couple of smacks with a baton would have ended it. Then again, he is black. If this were the only time a situation like this had played out, I would want to know more. When it's a regular occurrence, there is something systemically wrong. Before cellphone videos, I used to think like you. Cellphone videos have confirmed what we have been hearing from black people about employees of the government. They often lie about how these situations play out. How many times do you have to watch a video of a black person being killed by a cop before you see there is a real issue? 31 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said: You could have just left it at you have no idea, but that’s already obvious. Especially if i have to explain to you why cops have a right to protect themselves from someone holding/reaching for a knife. You aren’t interested in actually understanding that. That you believe the cop was in fear for his life when he shot someone in the BACK 7 TIMES is truly astounding. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: So, the police were called to a domestic violence scene, where a terrified woman feared more victimization by a man she alleged to have violently assaulted here previously (in a Bidenesque attack, btw), he resists arrest, fights through being tazed 2x, rushes towards his car door and as a violent suspect, has something in his hand, and from your cushy perch in your layZboy you “have no idea what’s in his hand”....and question why people on the scene feared violence against them? Are you of the mind that the police should assume he was holding an ice cream cone? Should they have let him drive off? Not responded? Backed away when he refused to cooperate? The cop missed a 3 foot putt. He choked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, Kemp said: Should they have fired 7 bullets into his back is the question. My understanding of how these situations are supposed to be handled is that you shoot to kill when there are no other options. A couple of smacks with a baton would have ended it. Then again, he is black. If this were the only time a situation like this had played out, I would want to know more. When it's a regular occurrence, there is something systemically wrong. Before cellphone videos, I used to think like you. Cellphone videos have confirmed what we have been hearing from black people about employees of the government. They often lie about how these situations play out. How many times do you have to watch a video of a black person being killed by a cop before you see there is a real issue? That you believe the cop was in fear for his life when he shot someone in the BACK 7 TIMES is truly astounding. You truly are an idiot. In the truest sense of the word. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Just now, Sig1Hunter said: You truly are an idiot. In the truest sense of the word. I don't think they are idiots, they are intellectually dishonest. They refuse to see the facts, jump from one argument to another and ignore anything that disrupts their narrative. And when all else fails they play the race card. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said: You truly are an idiot. In the truest sense of the word. Thank you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gary M said: I don't think they are idiots, they are intellectually dishonest. They refuse to see the facts, jump from one argument to another and ignore anything that disrupts their narrative. And when all else fails they play the race card. Says a person who supports a pathological liar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gary M said: I don't think they are idiots, they are intellectually dishonest. They refuse to see the facts, jump from one argument to another and ignore anything that disrupts their narrative. And when all else fails they play the race card. That definitely seems more accurate, and is worse than being an idiot that is just ignorant of facts, circumstances, law, and established court rulings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Says a person who supports a pathological liar I don't support you, have you seen the pee tape yet? And Kevin Clinesmith is still on line 1 for you. Edited September 1, 2020 by Gary M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Gary M said: I don't support you, have you seen the pee tape yet? And Kevin Clinesmith is still on line 1 for you. Trump just lies constantly, you know that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Just now, Tiberius said: Trump just lies constantly, you know that? Like on a FISA warrant? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 42 minutes ago, Gary M said: Like on a FISA warrant? No, openly and constantly. Make excuses all you want, but he is a pathological liar. imrs-3.webp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 56 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said: You truly are an idiot. In the truest sense of the word. How come the police didn’t shoot that dude with the knife on Hertel Avenue over the weekend? He was a threat. By your logic they should have emptied the clip in him, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 40 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: How come the police didn’t shoot that dude with the knife on Hertel Avenue over the weekend? He was a threat. By your logic they should have emptied the clip in him, right? Did he attack anyone either sexually or physically? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 From that photo on another thread, the woman with the bike could have been getting ready to throw it at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, Doc said: Did he attack anyone either sexually or physically? Was a sexual assault imminent at the time Jacob Blake was shot seven times in the back? 2 minutes ago, Wacka said: From that photo on another thread, the woman with the bike could have been getting ready to throw it at him. That will be for the jury to decide. And based on the totality do the video evidence, it’s going to be a tough sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 I'm going on what you posted. You posted a still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Wacka said: I'm going on what you posted. You posted a still. A fair point. But watch the video. It’s not good for the guy with the knife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 8 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Was a sexual assault imminent at the time Jacob Blake was shot seven times in the back? That will be for the jury to decide. And based on the totality do the video evidence, it’s going to be a tough sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 #JOURNALISM: “Without evidence” is just journospeak for “against the narrative.” 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 11 hours ago, B-Man said: When are we changing the title of the thread ? After BLM chaos in Kenosha, ‘Black Voices for Trump’ move in to clean up trash, destruction. Man, I can't believe how stupid those props are! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Kemp said: Should they have fired 7 bullets into his back is the question. My understanding of how these situations are supposed to be handled is that you shoot to kill when there are no other options. A couple of smacks with a baton would have ended it. Then again, he is black. If this were the only time a situation like this had played out, I would want to know more. When it's a regular occurrence, there is something systemically wrong. Before cellphone videos, I used to think like you. Cellphone videos have confirmed what we have been hearing from black people about employees of the government. They often lie about how these situations play out. How many times do you have to watch a video of a black person being killed by a cop before you see there is a real issue? That you believe the cop was in fear for his life when he shot someone in the BACK 7 TIMES is truly astounding. Personally, I think your argument is what I would expect to hear in a 4th grade classroom. Using your logic, the 15th or 20th or 300th time I saw or read about a black male suspect assaulting a white male victim, I would be forced to assume that there is a systemic and societal epidemic of the sort you see with the police. Yet, here I am, 58 years old, not even a cross word from a black male after all this time. Then again, I could make the same argument that pretty much anyone other than me is out to victimize me, at least based on your cell phone tells the story philosophy. As for “a couple smacks with a baton” theory, that argument is sillier than the first. Your argument is best summarized as you magnanimously would risk the lives of each and every officer involved. FYI a couple smacks with a baton can be fatal. 2 hours ago, Kemp said: The cop missed a 3 foot putt. He choked. You’re an odd little man. I have no idea what this means. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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