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SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Daboll better get "smarter" there were a number of head scratching plays throughout the season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Daboll better get "smarter" there were a number of head scratching plays throughout the season. This is one of those comments that cracks me up. Ive yet to find a fan base that doesnt think their offensive play caller doesnt dial “a number of head scratching plays.” Whether its Josh McDaniels or Sean McVay, its always the same comment. 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: This is one of those comments that cracks me up. Ive yet to find a fan base that doesnt think their offensive play caller doesnt dial “a number of head scratching plays.” Whether its Josh McDaniels or Sean McVay, its always the same comment. Sure, but the obsession with giving Frank Gore touches when he gets 0-1 yard every single time was hard to watch. Daboll hasn't proven anything yet. He might be good, he might be bad. Time will tell. I'm not convinced either way. Hope he is good, though. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, MJS said: Sure, but the obsession with giving Frank Gore touches when he gets 0-1 yard every single time was hard to watch. Daboll hasn't proven anything yet. He might be good, he might be bad. Time will tell. I'm not convinced either way. Hope he is good, though. I'll admit that he went a hair too far giving Gore touches. That said, Gore played really well early on. Like, really well. He tailed off towards the end. But by that point, the majority of his touches were change of pace/situations where the priority was ball security. That said, the overall product needs to improve. I tend to think last year we had more execution problems than coaching problems, but it all still eventually falls on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: I'll admit that he went a hair too far giving Gore touches. That said, Gore played really well early on. Like, really well. He tailed off towards the end. But by that point, the majority of his touches were change of pace/situations where the priority was ball security. That said, the overall product needs to improve. I tend to think last year we had more execution problems than coaching problems, but it all still eventually falls on him. 3rd and 2 and we were running QB sweeps. Thats how much he trusted/wanted to use gore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: This is one of those comments that cracks me up. Ive yet to find a fan base that doesnt think their offensive play caller doesnt dial “a number of head scratching plays.” Whether its Josh McDaniels or Sean McVay, its always the same comment. Houston Playoff game .. The Bills were on the 42 yard line and in FG range indoors Instead of Trying the attempt .... 4th and 27 call a pass play?. https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2020/1/4/21050009/texans-bills-playoff-win-explained-josh-allen-deshaun-watson Edited August 14, 2020 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Just now, dneveu said: 3rd and 2 and we were running QB sweeps. Thats how much he trusted/wanted to use gore. Those QB sweeps were automatic (when the blocking was even decent). Also, that 1-2 yard run is more about the blocking than the back. Just now, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Houston Playoff game .. 4th and 27 and in FG range indoors. Instead of Trying the attempt .... https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2020/1/4/21050009/texans-bills-playoff-win-explained-josh-allen-deshaun-watson Why are you posting a clip where the O-line couldn't execute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 LOL 1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Why are you posting a clip where the O-line couldn't execute? Kick the FG and the game changes!!! Daboll pulled shite of his ass and blew it up!!! Who put the O-Line in that situation? Play calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: LOL Kick the FG and the game changes!!! Daboll pulled shite of his ass and blew it up!!! Who put the O-Line in that situation? Play calling. FG v go for it on fourth down is a McDermott decision. Edited August 14, 2020 by JoshAllenHasBigHands 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: FG v go for it on fourth down is a McDermott decision. Was it really? Daboll calls the O plays. McD usually only intervenes on D play calling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 1 minute ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Was it really? Daboll calls the O plays. McD usually only intervenes on D play calling Yeah, but that wasn't a question of Offense v. Special Teams. Dabol is only in charge of offense, not special teams. Really shows how much faith they have in Hauschka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Start a poll and lets see who's fault it was. Daboll McDermott Allen O-Line 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Just now, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Start a poll and lets see who's fault it was. Daboll McDermott Allen O-Line Poll won't tell you much...the only think you can see is the O-line break down immediately. You don't know what the play call is (the play fell apart too quickly); you don't know what McDermott decided; you don't know what Allen saw (maybe someone has the all-22 I guess). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 14, 2020 Author Share Posted August 14, 2020 23 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: LOL Kick the FG and the game changes!!! Daboll pulled shite of his ass and blew it up!!! Who put the O-Line in that situation? Play calling. The sad part is I don’t think they trusted Hauschka 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: The sad part is I don’t think they trusted Hauschka which is a head scratcher. Hauscha on right hash was horrible but from the middle or the left he was spot on. I made a mental note of it game after game. In a dome with no wind .... proper placement. Tie game. another note. Was it really intentional grounding, or did the Ref's screw the Bills? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 35 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Houston Playoff game .. The Bills were on the 42 yard line and in FG range indoors Instead of Trying the attempt .... 4th and 27 call a pass play?. https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2020/1/4/21050009/texans-bills-playoff-win-explained-josh-allen-deshaun-watson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 14, 2020 Author Share Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: which is a head scratcher. Hauscha on right hash was horrible but from the middle or the left he was spot on. I made a mental note of it game after game. In a dome with no wind .... proper placement. Tie game. another note. Was it really intentional grounding, or did the Ref's screw the Bills? I didn’t think it was but IG is called maddeningly inconsistently Edited August 14, 2020 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Just now, Canadian Bills Fan said: I deserved that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: I deserved that. It works for both of us. Watching it again felt like a punch in the gut 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: which is a head scratcher. Hauscha on right hash was horrible but from the middle or the left he was spot on. I made a mental note of it game after game. In a dome with no wind .... proper placement. Tie game. another note. Was it really intentional grounding, or did the Ref's screw the Bills? I mean they drafted a kicker for a reason I think they were starting to think his leg was losing power. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 58 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Houston Playoff game .. The Bills were on the 42 yard line and in FG range indoors Instead of Trying the attempt .... 4th and 27 call a pass play?. https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2020/1/4/21050009/texans-bills-playoff-win-explained-josh-allen-deshaun-watson "Just like we drew it up.". Man this was painful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 I've been neutral on Daboll so far. He didn't have a lot to work with and a young QB (experience wise) to boot. He's got the talent on the O this year and he game planning/play calling need to make a jump this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I've been neutral on Daboll so far. He didn't have a lot to work with and a young QB (experience wise) to boot. He's got the talent on the O this year and he game planning/play calling need to make a jump this year. The offense got better from Y1 to Y2. With a more experienced QB and a couple of new weapons, combined with OL continuity, why shouldn’t we expect further improvement this year? I chuckle at the “we know what Daboll is and he stinks” contingent. I think he has been adequate thus far, but has done a good job developing Allen and deserves the benefit of the doubt going into this season. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 30 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: which is a head scratcher. Hauscha on right hash was horrible but from the middle or the left he was spot on. I made a mental note of it game after game. In a dome with no wind .... proper placement. Tie game. another note. Was it really intentional grounding, or did the Ref's screw the Bills? I have never seen an illegal touching call made in tandem with intentional grounding before. I think there was a common theme where the o-line could not handle the closing plays of a game in the no-huddle situation. Their whiff% went up as did their falling down-off balance,-trip over their own feet- while trying to pass set %. I think they got gassed and could not function normally. Of course TB12 can make a throw and land it outside of 10 yards of his nearest teammate and it's all good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 14, 2020 Author Share Posted August 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: I have never seen an illegal touching call made in tandem with intentional grounding before. I think there was a common theme where the o-line could not handle the closing plays of a game in the no-huddle situation. Their whiff% went up as did their falling down-off balance,-trip over their own feet- while trying to pass set %. I think they got gassed and could not function normally. Of course TB12 can make a throw and land it outside of 10 yards of his nearest teammate and it's all good. We will see if the Bucs’ owner sends the pre-game checks to the officiating crew like ol Happy Ending 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 From what I remember, motor was having himself a game against the Texans, but daboll just kept on calling passing plays which put Allen in a tough spot. Daboll needs to get much better. No question about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 2 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: This is one of those comments that cracks me up. Ive yet to find a fan base that doesnt think their offensive play caller doesnt dial “a number of head scratching plays.” Whether its Josh McDaniels or Sean McVay, its always the same comment. You're probably correct about the average fan base. Unfortunately, Daboll earned some of this criticism with his frequent unsuccessful calls for Frank Gore up the middle on short yardage plays. It is never good when even the fans know what Daboll was going to do on third down when he sent Gore in for the play. If we understood that, don't you think the other teams did too. Fortunately, there was more good than bad with Daboll. He was working with some roster limitations last year that should be better this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: Except those coaches have a good and proven track record... Daboll doesn't. Oh look, a non sequitur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Except those coaches have a good and proven track record... Daboll doesn't. we agree. Whoda think it. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Start a poll and lets see who's fault it was. Daboll McDermott Allen O-Line There’s always only one guy to blame ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: we agree. Whoda think it. ? The statement is factually true, it just has nothing to do with the point I was making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 22 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Except those coaches have a good and proven track record... Daboll doesn't. The offense was better last year than in 2018...yes or no? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 2 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Houston Playoff game .. The Bills were on the 42 yard line and in FG range indoors Instead of Trying the attempt .... 4th and 27 call a pass play?. https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2020/1/4/21050009/texans-bills-playoff-win-explained-josh-allen-deshaun-watson Yes, this was painful. However, the big difference in the game to me, and this falls on the coaching staff, was at the end of the first half when the Bills settled for a field goal instead of a touchdown. Remember that last drive in the first half? I believe we started that drive on our own 4 yard line. The offense was moving that ball at a good pace and the Texans defense was having a tough time stopping them. Then when the Bills get a first down with about 1:30 to go in the half, and with 2 timeouts, just outside the Texans 20, the Bills let the clock run. No urgency. I believe they called a running play with Gore gaining maybe 2 yards, letting over 20 seconds run off the clock, then the Bills call time out. Yes, this was the same drive that Duke Williams dropped the touchdown pass in the end zone, but the Bills had an opportunity to do more than try and score on a big play. They kick the field goal and go up 13-0, when they had a real chance of being up 17-0. The Bills had a chance to put the Texans in a big hole at halftime. Not to mention give the Texans defense a real demoralizer by going on a 96 yard touchdown drive before halftime. Whether it was Daboll or McDermott's decision to go with this approach, I see this as a big reason why the Bills lost the game. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Mark Vader said: However, the big difference in the game to me, and this falls on the coaching staff, was at the end of the first half when the Bills settled for a field goal instead of a touchdown. Remember that last drive in the first half? I believe we started that drive on our own 4 yard line. The offense was moving that ball at a good pace and the Texans defense was having a tough time stopping them. Then when the Bills get a first down with about 1:30 to go in the half, and with 2 timeouts, just outside the Texans 20, the Bills let the clock run. No urgency. I believe they called a running play with Gore gaining maybe 2 yards, letting over 20 seconds run off the clock, then the Bills call time out. Yes, this was the same drive that Duke Williams dropped the touchdown pass in the end zone, but the Bills had an opportunity to do more than try and score on a big play. They kick the field goal and go up 13-0, when they had a real chance of being up 17-0. The Bills had a chance to put the Texans in a big hole at halftime. Not to mention give the Texans defense a real demoralizer by going on a 96 yard touchdown drive before halftime. Whether it was Daboll or McDermott's decision to go with this approach, I see this as a big reason why the Bills lost the game. I can't disagree with any of this. We don't know what was going on over at the Bills' sideline that led to that sequence, but I guess we all hope that they are constantly learning from their mistakes just like everyone else. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Mark Vader said: Yes, this was painful. However, the big difference in the game to me, and this falls on the coaching staff, was at the end of the first half when the Bills settled for a field goal instead of a touchdown. Remember that last drive in the first half? I believe we started that drive on our own 4 yard line. The offense was moving that ball at a good pace and the Texans defense was having a tough time stopping them. Then when the Bills get a first down with about 1:30 to go in the half, and with 2 timeouts, just outside the Texans 20, the Bills let the clock run. No urgency. I believe they called a running play with Gore gaining maybe 2 yards, letting over 20 seconds run off the clock, then the Bills call time out. Yes, this was the same drive that Duke Williams dropped the touchdown pass in the end zone, but the Bills had an opportunity to do more than try and score on a big play. They kick the field goal and go up 13-0, when they had a real chance of being up 17-0. The Bills had a chance to put the Texans in a big hole at halftime. Not to mention give the Texans defense a real demoralizer by going on a 96 yard touchdown drive before halftime. Whether it was Daboll or McDermott's decision to go with this approach, I see this as a big reason why the Bills lost the game. One play and the whole conversation changes. Daboll looks like a (dare I say it?) "master" playcaller, the narrative of McDermott being conservative is quietly ushered aside, and the outcome of the game is possibly altered. 'IT'S A GAME OF INCHES!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 18 minutes ago, iinii said: One play and the whole conversation changes. Daboll looks like a (dare I say it?) "master" playcaller, the narrative of McDermott being conservative is quietly ushered aside, and the outcome of the game is possibly altered. 'IT'S A GAME OF INCHES!" Yes, but they should not have been in that position. They became complacent and let time run off the clock, and handed the ball off to Gore for a minimal gain, then called time out. Nearly 30 seconds of time was lost during that sequence. The Texans defense was reeling, and the Bills gave them a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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