Rockpile233 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: they never considered not playing Yuck, figured the league would have had clearer protocols in place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 I'm curious, personally, to see how these 12 or 14 players/staffers feel over the next week or two. Will they feel awful? will they feel no different than normal? Will any be hospitalized? I hope they report on this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, zow2 said: The latest advice is to keep teachers in pods, with the same group of kids And how does that work in a high school? Also, it's not just teachers, we are going to blow through bus drivers like you wouldn't believe and there aren't enough of them to begin with 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Its sort of the like the school reopening debate. The medical community generally, if not universally, supports the reopening posture. Yet, somehow, the teachers unions have framed the debate as reopening being against the advice of medical consensus, when that is not at all true. Recommendations vary depending on the state of the pandemic in a given location. And you need to separate recommendations from truly independent experts and those who are being pressured by politicians. There are indirect problems with schools that have to be considered. Child care is actually a real problem. Locally, our numbers are excellent and heading in the right direction but then we had a person who was having some mild symptoms and had to report to work or be fired. Took her kid to day care resulting, so far, in 16 people being infected. Suddenly our numbers starting going the wrong way. Edited July 27, 2020 by Mickey typo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: no it isn't. If exposed it takes days to turn positive I dont believe that to be correct from anything i have read...can you show where you are getting this info? Edited July 27, 2020 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Just now, zow2 said: I'm curious, personally, to see how these 12 or 14 players/staffers feel over the next week or two. Will they feel awful? will they feel no different than normal? Will any be hospitalized? I hope they report on this. You just hit the nail on the head. Positive cases does not equate to hospitalization/death/lung scarring/runny nose/headache/or any other manifestation of the virus thrown out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Mickey said: Recommendations vary depending on the state of the pandemic in a given location. And you need to separate recommendations from truly independent experts and those who are being pressured by politicians. There are indirect problems with schools that have to be considered. Child care is actually a real problem. Locally, our numbers are excellent and heading in the right direction but then we had a person who was having some mild symptoms and had to report to work or be fired. Took her kid to day care resulting, so far, in 26 people being infected. Suddenly our numbers starting going the wrong way. would love to see a link to that..please provide 3 minutes ago, zow2 said: I'm curious, personally, to see how these 12 or 14 players/staffers feel over the next week or two. Will they feel awful? will they feel no different than normal? Will any be hospitalized? I hope they report on this. Passan made a point to say " there are some cases that are symptomatic"..just because almost all cases in athletes so far have been asymptomatic, or very mild symptoms. I don't believe any hospitalizations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, zow2 said: I'm curious, personally, to see how these 12 or 14 players/staffers feel over the next week or two. Will they feel awful? will they feel no different than normal? Will any be hospitalized? I hope they report on this. Not very interesting, at this point we know that some people get hit hard and some don't. Existing health can be a predictor on that but not always. Regardless, they have to be quarantined to prevent spread. The argument that this disease is no worse than the sniffles or the flu is over. I certainly hope and expect that as professional athletes with access to the best care available they will all have excellent outcomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 29 minutes ago, Process said: A complete ****-show. NBA and NHL will be fun, they are doing it right The leagues have a good plan, but it doesn't seem the players are as there have been many NBA players who have been caught leaving it for food or strip club visits, or just forgeting to get tested..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, zow2 said: I think what's universal is that adults are the big spreaders to other adults. Kids, especially under-13 have not proven to be spreaders in Europe, Asia and daycare's that have been open in America. The latest advice is to keep teachers in pods, with the same group of kids.. and keep the adults away from each other. Is there actually data that supports kids don't spread it? Are they that genetically different? Or is community spread just low in those areas? I'd assume if a school in a hot area in FL or any Southern State were to open, there would be a lot of virus spread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 20 minutes ago, Mickey said: You know, it is almost as if there is some sort of cause - effect relationship between a cavalier attitude about this disease and the rate of infection. Weird. Nope, just have to wait for the weather to get warmer so it all goes away just like the Flu! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: You just hit the nail on the head. Positive cases does not equate to hospitalization/death/lung scarring/runny nose/headache/or any other manifestation of the virus thrown out there. You're right. It's just a made up thing. Nothing actually happens. It's all part of a world-wide conspiracy. I have nothing to be concerned about with schools reopening either. My asthmatic wife will be fine as well. As will by diabetic father and my mother who is coming off cancer treatment. My kids as well they will be fine. Kids don't sick except the ones that do. Everything will be great and this will disappear. Bunch of hullabaloo over nothing I tells ya. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Not surprising at all, the same is going to happen to NFL teams. If the players and staff do not take this seriously... all it takes is one guy to infect a bunch of teammates and staff. Testing only helps identify/contain the virus, it doesn’t prevent it from spreading. For some team it will turn into a S show, and they will be fielding third and fourth string talent. Fingers crossed ? for the season. Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockpile233 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Passan made a point to say " there are some cases that are symptomatic"..just because almost all cases in athletes so far have been asymptomatic, or very mild symptoms. I don't believe any hospitalizations. I know he wasn’t hospitalized, but reading how bad this laid up Freddie Freeman should give anyone pause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Just now, apuszczalowski said: Nope, just have to wait for the weather to get warmer so it all goes away just like the Flu! It's 97 in Philly today. Everything is fine. Play the game! I mean Florida is super cold this time of year also so when the snow melts there I'm sure it will tone down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, HeHateMe said: Is there actually data that supports kids don't spread it? Are they that genetically different? Or is community spread just low in those areas? I'd assume if a school in a hot area in FL or any Southern State were to open, there would be a lot of virus spread... There is, and a lot. I would suggest you take a look at this article, and all of the articles out there and studies that support that. May need to copy ans paste in incognito mode . Tons of great links included in that article https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/20/opinion/listen-science-reopen-schools/ Edited July 27, 2020 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: You just hit the nail on the head. Positive cases does not equate to hospitalization/death/lung scarring/runny nose/headache/or any other manifestation of the virus thrown out there. ...and your point is what? We know not everyone who gets this dies, or has life threatening issues or permanent medical problems. We know it is highly transmissible and that it can kill, hence the truck morgues and rising death toll. I don't know that there is any disagreement over that, we all know the numbers, about 150k dead and growing and millions who have recovered, some fully, some not. Therefore, ergo, what? 9 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: would love to see a link to that..please provide Passan made a point to say " there are some cases that are symptomatic"..just because almost all cases in athletes so far have been asymptomatic, or very mild symptoms. I don't believe any hospitalizations. oops, typo, 16, not 26 https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/07/at-least-16-sick-after-coronavirus-exposure-at-dewitt-in-home-day-care-take-this-seriously-stay-home-if-sick-at-all.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 24 minutes ago, Mickey said: You know, it is almost as if there is some sort of cause - effect relationship between a cavalier attitude about this disease and the rate of infection. Weird. How do you explain California? They have been having huge spikes in cases too. They have been shut down and masked up for months now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Just now, MJS said: How do you explain California? They have been having huge spikes in cases too. They have been shut down and masked up for months now. Because people don't do what they are told. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 Just now, Mickey said: ...and your point is what? We know not everyone who gets this dies, or has life threatening issues or permanent medical problems. We know it is highly transmissible and that it can kill, hence the truck morgues and rising death toll. I don't know that there is any disagreement over that, we all know the numbers, about 150k dead and growing and millions who have recovered, some fully, some not. Therefore, ergo, what? Please don't forget to post the link to the kid who went to daycare and spread it to 26 kids..if that happened i think it is something that changes a lot of thoughts, including mine 3 minutes ago, Mickey said: ...and your point is what? We know not everyone who gets this dies, or has life threatening issues or permanent medical problems. We know it is highly transmissible and that it can kill, hence the truck morgues and rising death toll. I don't know that there is any disagreement over that, we all know the numbers, about 150k dead and growing and millions who have recovered, some fully, some not. Therefore, ergo, what? oops, typo, 16, not 26 https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/07/at-least-16-sick-after-coronavirus-exposure-at-dewitt-in-home-day-care-take-this-seriously-stay-home-if-sick-at-all.html TY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER DOT COM Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, MJS said: How do you explain California? They have been having huge spikes in cases too. They have been shut down and masked up for months now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Not surprising at all, the same is going to happen to NFL teams. If the players and staff do not take this seriously... all it takes is one guy to infect a bunch of teammates and staff. Testing only helps identify/contain the virus, it doesn’t prevent it from spreading. For some team it will turn into a S show, and they will be fielding third and fourth string talent. Fingers crossed ? for the season. Go Bills!!! So really your saying this shouldn't affect the marlins at all? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. K Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Everytime I see or hear about something Covid related I find myself wondering... What bothers people more, the word "Moist" or Pres. DT saying "Chy-nah" On a more serious note, I would not be surprised if this gets baseball canceled. Maybe they switch to the bubble too. Somebody should call Pauley Shore and get him to do some PR for playing in the Biodome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: You're right. It's just a made up thing. Nothing actually happens. It's all part of a world-wide conspiracy. I have nothing to be concerned about with schools reopening either. My asthmatic wife will be fine as well. As will by diabetic father and my mother who is coming off cancer treatment. My kids as well they will be fine. Kids don't sick except the ones that do. Everything will be great and this will disappear. Bunch of hullabaloo over nothing I tells ya. Sorry to hear about your Mom and relatives. Not sure how you interpreted what I said into me thinking COVID is a hoax. But 14 players test positive and someone upthread inferred these athletes and support staff will have permanent lung scarring. Shouldn't we wait to see if any are hospitalized (or get headaches, rapid heart beat, etc.) before sounding the alarm on sports? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, MJS said: How do you explain California? They have been having huge spikes in cases too. They have been shut down and masked up for months now. recently started to shut down again. They opened like most other states Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: Because people don't do what they are told. The CDC came out and said Florida's spikes are likely due to vacationers from the East Coast bringing it with them, not their COVID-19 policies. Seems to me like the spread is getting bad regardless of what people are doing. Masks probably help a little bit, but not as much as people think. Social distancing helps some, but people still touch things everywhere they go and every surface is a potential transmission. And now there is talk of the disease potentially being airborne. I just don't think it's very possible to remove the risk of infection. People are going to get it, even those who have been following every precaution. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, Mickey said: ...and your point is what? We know not everyone who gets this dies, or has life threatening issues or permanent medical problems. We know it is highly transmissible and that it can kill, hence the truck morgues and rising death toll. I don't know that there is any disagreement over that, we all know the numbers, about 150k dead and growing and millions who have recovered, some fully, some not. Therefore, ergo, what? The point (again) is let's see how these 14 players fare with the virus. Will they recover from the symptoms quickly? Will they feel no symptoms at all? Will they require hospitalization? Again, 14 positive cases is just that...positive cases. At some point, the phrase "positive case" has been modified to mean "death sentence, morgues, tractor trailer coolers for dead bodies, lung scarring, fetus death". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, MJS said: The CDC came out and said Florida's spikes are likely due to vacationers from the East Coast bringing it with them, not their COVID-19 policies. Seems to me like the spread is getting bad regardless of what people are doing. Masks probably help a little bit, but not as much as people think. Social distancing helps some, but people still touch things everywhere they go and every surface is a potential transmission. And now there is talk of the disease potentially being airborne. I just don't think it's very possible to remove the risk of infection. People are going to get it, even those who have been following every precaution. Its not possible if you don't take precautions and do whats required People who have been following every precaution can still get it because those that aren't can still spread it and the precautions are mostly to help you from spreading, not to prevent you from getting it. In places where they have taken it seriously and the majority of the people are following the recommendations/Orders, the spread has slowed down (Just look north where an entire country has less cases them some states have had deaths in a day. And their policies aren't working to well if they are reopening and allowing vacationers to come from other areas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, MJS said: How do you explain California? They have been having huge spikes in cases too. They have been shut down and masked up for months now. Actually large numbers of people in California have been ignoring basic protocols/ failing to do the right thing, much like in the other sunbelt/southern states, those people are responsible for the spike, sadly we are seeing a bunch of self indulgent first worlders that can’t be bothered to be bothered... There is a large amount of willful ignorance thwarting what progress could have been made to keep this virus under some semblance of control. So we are reaping what we have sowed, in a manor of speaking. There is an all to high a percentage of stupid in our country... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Don Otreply said: Actually large numbers of people in California have been ignoring basic protocols/ failing to do the right thing, much like in the other sunbelt/southern states, those people are responsible for the spike, sadly we are seeing a bunch of self indulgent first worlders that can’t be bothered to be bothered... There is a large amount of willful ignorance thwarting what progress could have been made to keep this virus under some semblance of control. So we are reaping what we have sowed, in a manor of speaking. There is an all to high a percentage of stupid in our country... well, I needed a haircut... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 40 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: This is satire, right? This dude is a joke. He predicted like 100 deaths at the beginning of this. He been so wrong but he’s like a lot of people and can’t just say it so he just double downs. He couldn’t get a job at a real sports station so he panders to a certain demographic. He’s a moron but some people eat it. and I don’t know how you do this without a bubble. There is no way football players aren’t going to get it and pass it along if there is no bubble. As usual, the nba is doing it the right way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: The point (again) is let's see how these 14 players fare with the virus. Will they recover from the symptoms quickly? Will they feel no symptoms at all? Will they require hospitalization? Again, 14 positive cases is just that...positive cases. At some point, the phrase "positive case" has been modified to mean "death sentence, morgues, tractor trailer coolers for dead bodies, lung scarring, fetus death". The vast majority of Americans think it's a death sentence. The reality is there are serious underlying conditions that will affect the outcome dramatically.. Elderly of course, obesity, diabetes and having cancer and/or getting chemo. If anyone falls into that category, they need to be very very careful. There's also an ethnicity component but I won't go into that here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 12 minutes ago, MJS said: The CDC came out and said Florida's spikes are likely due to vacationers from the East Coast bringing it with them, not their COVID-19 policies. Seems to me like the spread is getting bad regardless of what people are doing. Masks probably help a little bit, but not as much as people think. Social distancing helps some, but people still touch things everywhere they go and every surface is a potential transmission. And now there is talk of the disease potentially being airborne. I just don't think it's very possible to remove the risk of infection. People are going to get it, even those who have been following every precaution. I know a bunch of people that left New York to go be in Florida because it was open season down there at the beginning of it. it’s time to sell Florida to another country. Best and worst state in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2zipper Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 The school "reopening" debate issue is largely based on the impracticality of implementing risk-mitigation protocols due to lack of infastructure, funding, and how teacher-dependant school is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Lewes Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said: Man, spread that quick in a baseball clubhouse...just think about football, the other non bubble sport and colleges and k-12s .... yikes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, nucci said: well, I needed a haircut... It’s “Flowbee” time... ? another quality Ronco product Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER DOT COM Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Jeff Pasan (MLB Insider): The players played yesterday after testing positive. The entire Phillies team was exposed. What?! The players played yesterday after testing positive. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 14 minutes ago, MJS said: The CDC came out and said Florida's spikes are likely due to vacationers from the East Coast bringing it with them, not their COVID-19 policies. Seems to me like the spread is getting bad regardless of what people are doing. Masks probably help a little bit, but not as much as people think. Social distancing helps some, but people still touch things everywhere they go and every surface is a potential transmission. And now there is talk of the disease potentially being airborne. I just don't think it's very possible to remove the risk of infection. People are going to get it, even those who have been following every precaution. People arent wearing masks. And then those that do, a ton wear them below their noses, rendering them completely useless. It's really that simple. But you can't say the recommended actions dont work when so few are actually following them. Dont turn it around on the experts. The issue is with the people. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 It’s absolutely embarrassing that our country are still having these issues when most of the rest of the world is almost getting back to normal. Just now, wAcKy ZeBrA said: Jeff Pasan (MLB Insider): The players played yesterday after testing positive. The entire Phillies team was exposed. What?! The players played yesterday after testing positive. Players want to play and they will hide things. This is a huge mess. And it sucks because i did as well with no sports as I ever thought was possible. But no football might be my breaking point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: Jeff Pasan (MLB Insider): The players played yesterday after testing positive. The entire Phillies team was exposed. What?! The players played yesterday after testing positive. No freaking way that happened. I can see the non positive players played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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