Cinga Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, B-Man said: Ahhhhh, the voice of reason. Democrat Ilhan Omar: Defund Minneapolis Police, They’re ‘Cancer,’ ‘We Don’t Want Your Damn Reforms’ Original Article Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) called for defunding the Minneapolis Police Department on Sunday, saying that they were a “cancer” and that the department was “rotten to the root.”“Well, we’ve had a black president, we’ve had a Congressional Black Caucus, we’ve had black mayors, we’ve had black governors, and we’ve had black city councilmembers, we’ve had black police chiefs, yet we are still getting killed, brutalized, surveilled, massley [sic] incarcerated, and we are still having conversations with our children on how to have a conversation with the people You know, she seems to be the poster child for fleeing from a foreign country, then wanting us to be like the one she ran from. This action of disbanding the police if left unchecked, could turn Minneapolis into another Mogadishu... Edited June 8, 2020 by Cinga 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 16 minutes ago, westside2 said: So the new Democrats who pushed the old Democrats out of office has failed again? 1000 people getting killed by the police a year, something is wrong with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: The problem in most issues facing our country right now is that no one is willing to recognize that there are no absolute right or wrong answers. Compromise used to be a good thing and now it is looked upon as some kind of evil. It's only looked upon as some kind of evil by the moral relativists, revisionists, and prog-fascists who have fooled you into thinking they're "the good guys" for the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Just now, Tiberius said: 1000 people getting killed by the police a year, something is wrong with that Yeah, too many criminals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: 1000 people getting killed by the police a year, something is wrong with that Can you go through each of those 1000 killed and give come context by telling us the where, how and why? Yeah...I didn't think so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: So, we have about 49 million blacks here in the USA. How many of the approximately 1000 who are killed by police officers each year are not armed and threatening the life of the officer? Tucker Carlson broke it down last week. 10 were unarmed and most of them physically attacked an LEO before being shot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: The problem in most issues facing our country right now is that no one is willing to recognize that there are no absolute right or wrong answers. Compromise used to be a good thing and now it is looked upon as some kind of evil. I walked in a protest walk in my town the other day. I did so because we have got to come together as a society. There are not many black individuals in my city, but those that I know well and am proud to call my friends have shared experiences of how they are pulled over routinely for traffic stops in our town, when they have done nothing wrong. My daughters have seen the same thing with their friends. I know one young black man who was the star of the high school musical, he was the Phantom in Phantom of the Opera, and he got hassled by some because he was a black kid playing that role. The black community has a lot they have to work on themselves, but as a 64 year old white guy who has never had to deal with the crap many black men and women deal with, I felt it was time to show my support and actually listen to what's going on out there. And it was the experience of a friend of my daughter, who like my daughter is adopted and of Asian heritage, that finally convinced me I can't just sit on the sidelines. Her friend went into a grocery store to run an errand, asked a white clerk for help, and the white clerk told her that she can't wait on people like her. If it had been my daughter, I can't begin to think what I would have done; getting her fired would have been the first step. Different minority, but similar prejudice. So I walked. And I was the oldest person there. And the mostly kids I was walking with chanted, but were respectful and the folks along the route downtown were as well. And as I walked, I made sure to thank each police officer I met along the route for the horrifically difficult job they do each and everyday protecting me and my family and my community. As did a number of the young folks. it is a time to stop and think, a time to discuss calmly and rationally, a time to recognize and value peaceful protest while recognizing looters and rioters and scum like the guy that shot the Las Vegas officer in the back of the head deserve the maximum punishment, a time for police forces and unions to acknowledge they have some guys that should not be wearing the badge and that hen they break the law they too should be held accountable. It is a time for us to all listen to the other guy and put ourselves in his or her shoes. I went to a rally yesterday led by young people but attended by people of all ages and races. Did not see many Puerto Rican’s, even though they are a big part of our community. The County Sheriff showed up and spoke and was well recieved. Local officials came out, too. It was good be a part of something positive. 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: It's only looked upon as some kind of evil by the moral relativists, revisionists, and prog-fascists who have fooled you into thinking they're "the good guys" for the past few years. Moral relativism? Do you think morality just stays constant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, Tiberius said: 1000 people getting killed by the police a year, something is wrong with that out of 320 million, drop in the bucket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, Doc said: Yeah, too many criminals. So you are happy the police have the power of judge, jury and executioner? Too many guns guns out there, that’s the real problem 1 minute ago, Gary M said: out of 320 million, drop in the bucket. A thousand lives is a drop in the bucket. You are pro life, I assume? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Is There Really an ‘Epidemic’ of Racist Police Shootings? Several Studies Say No. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cinga Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, B-Man said: Is There Really an ‘Epidemic’ of Racist Police Shootings? Several Studies Say No. Interesting from the article: Quote In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population. The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: The problem in most issues facing our country right now is that no one is willing to recognize that there are no absolute right or wrong answers. Compromise used to be a good thing and now it is looked upon as some kind of evil. I walked in a protest walk in my town the other day. I did so because we have got to come together as a society. There are not many black individuals in my city, but those that I know well and am proud to call my friends have shared experiences of how they are pulled over routinely for traffic stops in our town, when they have done nothing wrong. My daughters have seen the same thing with their friends. I know one young black man who was the star of the high school musical, he was the Phantom in Phantom of the Opera, and he got hassled by some because he was a black kid playing that role. The black community has a lot they have to work on themselves, but as a 64 year old white guy who has never had to deal with the crap many black men and women deal with, I felt it was time to show my support and actually listen to what's going on out there. And it was the experience of a friend of my daughter, who like my daughter is adopted and of Asian heritage, that finally convinced me I can't just sit on the sidelines. Her friend went into a grocery store to run an errand, asked a white clerk for help, and the white clerk told her that she can't wait on people like her. If it had been my daughter, I can't begin to think what I would have done; getting her fired would have been the first step. Different minority, but similar prejudice. So I walked. And I was the oldest person there. And the mostly kids I was walking with chanted, but were respectful and the folks along the route downtown were as well. And as I walked, I made sure to thank each police officer I met along the route for the horrifically difficult job they do each and everyday protecting me and my family and my community. As did a number of the young folks. it is a time to stop and think, a time to discuss calmly and rationally, a time to recognize and value peaceful protest while recognizing looters and rioters and scum like the guy that shot the Las Vegas officer in the back of the head deserve the maximum punishment, a time for police forces and unions to acknowledge they have some guys that should not be wearing the badge and that hen they break the law they too should be held accountable. It is a time for us to all listen to the other guy and put ourselves in his or her shoes. Good post. I believe in a reasonable, open, honest, fact based approach to problem solving. It begins with accurately defining the problem, which we cannot begin to do until we stop looking at things in simple, dichotomous ways. Issues are actually pretty complex and everyone, regardless of position on the issues, carries around his or her own degree of responsibility and culpability. Unfortunately, in the current environment, if the statements you made in your post and the statements I made in this post were uttered by a public figure, there would be immediate calls for him or her to recant, apologize, and to suffer real consequences to his or her life/profession. The shaming and silencing of reasonable voices is nauseating. There have been entire anti-bullying campaigns in this country built around the exact behaviors we are witnessing. Progress is always a difficult thing when the narratives are controlled by the extremes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 19 minutes ago, Tiberius said: 1000 people getting killed by the police a year, something is wrong with that I agree, democratic leadership 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, Gary M said: Tucker Carlson broke it down last week. 10 were unarmed and most of them physically attacked an LEO before being shot. I saw that at the time but wanted to get Tiberius to acknowledge it. How silly of me. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 26 minutes ago, Tiberius said: 1000 people getting killed by the police a year, something is wrong with that Well over 100 police officers are being killed each year in the line of duty, something is wrong with that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 18 minutes ago, Tiberius said: 1000 people getting killed by the police a year, something is wrong with that During that same five year period, 2015-2020, blacks murdered in this country were 7039, 7881, 7851, 7407, and 7400. Over 35,000 black citizens murdered in that span. Approx 95% were murdered by other black citizens. There is something wrong with that. Of those 35,000+ that were murdered, 1164 (3.1%) were killed by police. Approx 50 were unarmed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 28 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: It's only looked upon as some kind of evil by the moral relativists, revisionists, and prog-fascists who have fooled you into thinking they're "the good guys" for the past few years. I don't get fooled by anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I don't get fooled by anyone. And yet... You're surprised when fascists and communists do fascists and communist things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 (edited) This is as good a thread as any I guess. This was posted by a moderator of a verified LEO-only forum on behalf of a cop in Minneapolis PD that wanted to vent anonymously. Submitted without comment. Quote HI EVERYONE. I'm one of those cops from what I am repeatedly informed is the worst department on the planet: Minneapolis! LIFE HAS BEEN ***** AWESOME. By which I mean my career is crumbling to ash because of some *****stick I've never even met. There's been a lot of confusion about our policy and training so let me just try to put that to rest: Chauvin was completely outside training and policy. I don't know, he's been on for 19 years, so maybe 15 years ago they trained knee on neck to get control of an assaultive suspect? Maybe? But I've been through a lot of training in the last few years and NOT ONE ***** TIME did anyone EVER suggest putting a knee on a *****'s neck aside from the blanket "if deadly force is authorized" anything goes scenarios. That sure as ***** wasn't a ***** NECK RESTRAINT. The only neck restraint we're trained in as a BJJ rear naked choke and per policy that is ONLY to be used on assaultive suspects. I've never even seen someone try a conscious neck restraint but the idea with that is you'd apply a rear naked with light pressure and use it to get someone out of a car, stand them up, whatever. I've never seen it used. And even then neither of those would EVER be authorized on a guy ALREADY IN ***** CUFFS. In fact we just recently got training about not hurting people in cuffs because of a deal from like 3 years ago. I've talked with dozens of people about it and literally no one - not even the salty old timers who used to beat the ***** out of anyone that ran - even made an attempt to defend Chauvin. EVERYONE in private, MPD cop only after-shift cooler meetings was ***** rubbing the cuts from rock impacts and going "yeah he sure ***** up." Most of us feel bad for the rookies 10 seconds off FTO who knew it was wrong but didn't pull him off the guy. I doubt Thao was especially aware of what was going on. Keith Ellison is an incompetent piece of *****. If he just hadn't charged the other 3 with made-up crimes they could have been forgotten. Their careers were ***** (thanks Chauvin!!) but that was it. Now they're going to get acquitted and Ellison is SO grossly off the rails that he might even get ***** Chauvin off, then the city really will burn! Fletcher has hated us since day one because we called him on his bull#### early. He's a lying piece of *****. Jeremiah Ellison is a coward and a hypocrite. While every last one of us was getting pelted with rocks and bottles the chief and the mayor were ***** ghosts, NOWHERE to be found. As someone who was boots on ground at Lake and Hiawatha: there was NO ***** REASON to let the P3 station burn. City admin choked off support and pushed us out just to ***** us. It is no coincidence that the first night they actually enforced the curfew we had ***** under control. The very ***** SECOND we had access to resources and support to enforce the law the riots stopped. The fact that so much of Lake St, P3, and P5 has been reduced to smoking rubble rests squarely on the shoulders of the chief, mayor, and city council. The damage and death that they allowed is nauseating. I grew up in this city, this is the only place I wanted to work, I live here. I'm done with all that as soon as I can be. The city council is going to drive the bus directly into a flaming lake of ***** so they can bust the union and I'm ***** out as soon as I can get hired somewhere else. I am honestly ***** heartbroken. I can not express how much all of this sucks. I've spent my whole career on the street, gun arrests are my favorite to hunt for and I've always done my best to be there for the good people of my native city. I wanted to retire from here. *****. Edited June 8, 2020 by LeviF91 spacing issues 1 3 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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