17islongenough Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 Why is no one talking about Fromm being called silly billy. His names not even Bill.
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 On 6/4/2020 at 7:31 PM, Warren Zevon said: I think the idea of "cancel culture" is pretty overblown. Whose life has been ruined by a dumb mistake in choice of words? Maybe there are a handful of folks but I cannot think of one. Expand Dog park woman lost her job before the Floyd murder. That's just off the top of my head.
Warren Zevon Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 On 6/4/2020 at 7:32 PM, SectionC3 said: I don’t think cancel culture pertains only to choice of words, but Al Franken leaps to mind as someone who got the bum’s rush over one stupid moment in his life. Expand True - but his life certainly wasn't ruined. He lost a Senate seat. He's still got family, friends, boatloads of cash (I assume), and is respected by most people.
Richard Noggin Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 On 6/4/2020 at 6:27 PM, dorquemada said: I don't even care about him as a player at this point, just tired of the pitchfork crowd coming out at every provocation. I've told my kids (16+20) to stay the f off social media because what's acceptable today will be a hate crime tomorrow and as a society we've lost the ability to consider context or the gravity of a situation but instead focus like a laser on being able to 'gotcha' people. It's like the virtual French Revolution. Of course the average twitter user doesn't know anything about history so they don't know what happened to the initiators of that particular event, or for that matter the vanguard of every revolution. Expand You could also help them to not be bigoted or insensitive. And maybe you are. But that would take care of the issue right there, and they'd still get to waste their time on social media like everyone else.
Mango Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 On 6/4/2020 at 7:28 PM, SectionC3 said: This is bad. The timing obviously is terrible. But it’s vastly different from Allen’s social media issue a couple of years ago. What Allen said was dumb, but was fairly and fairly obviously characterized as a bad joke. What Fromm said has terrible undertones. Only “elite whites” should be able to get silencers is what I understand him to have said. Not “only elites,” but only white people with money. And only white people with money should have access to a particular type (and, arguably, a particularly dangerous type) of weaponry. This, of course, after what we as a society agree was at “best” the homicide of an unarmed black man by police in Minnesota about a week ago, and maybe at worst the broad daylight lynching of that man. I don’t believe in cancel culture, and I don’t believe that one dumb mistake in choice of words should ruin someone’s life. But this is really bad, and ultimately it will be up to the locker room whether the kid sticks around. Expand The "if it ain't white, it ain't right" didn't sit well with me. The rest seemed to just be song lyrics from Allen. Not defending it, but you are right, it is different. Fromm on the other hand, went out of his way to say that black people should not own guns. And to everybody saying it is a personal text. Yeah it is, and I could 100% lose my job if any of them got out. It isn't anybody's fault for reporting them. It is my fault for sending them. Like if I were to text a friend that "Jesus, my boss Jim is bat-***** crazy, POS and is making my life hell. Hope he gets hit by a car on the way home". If my boss Jim got a hold of that I could lose my job. That is nobody's fault but my own.
Warren Zevon Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 On 6/4/2020 at 7:35 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Dog park woman lost her job before the Floyd murder. That's just off the top of my head. Expand I would argue that was way more than just a dumb mistake in a choice of words, though. Going too far down the rabbit hole.. back to Fromm
sodbuster Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 On 6/4/2020 at 7:32 PM, SectionC3 said: I don’t think cancel culture pertains only to choice of words, but Al Franken leaps to mind as someone who got the bum’s rush over one stupid moment in his life. Expand Colin Kaepernick
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 On 6/4/2020 at 7:36 PM, Mango said: The "if it ain't white, it ain't right" didn't sit well with me. The rest seemed to just be song lyrics from Allen. Not defending it, but you are right, it is different. Fromm on the other hand, went out of his way to say that black people should not own guns. And to everybody saying it is a personal text. Yeah it is, and I could 100% lose my job if any of them got out. It isn't anybody's fault for reporting them. It is my fault for sending them. Like if I were to text a friend that "Jesus, my boss Jim is bat-***** crazy, POS and is making my life hell. Hope he gets hit by a car on the way home". If my boss Jim got a hold of that I could lose my job. That is nobody's fault but my own. Expand Uh oh... Jim is on TBD. You’re going to have to pack up your stuff 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 On 6/4/2020 at 5:01 PM, aristocrat said: so it's from march and it got released now? Expand March 2019 evidently
Doc Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) On 6/4/2020 at 7:28 PM, SectionC3 said: This is bad. The timing obviously is terrible. But it’s vastly different from Allen’s social media issue a couple of years ago. What Allen said was dumb, but was fairly and fairly obviously characterized as a bad joke. What Fromm said has terrible undertones. Only “elite whites” should be able to get silencers is what I understand him to have said. Not “only elites,” but only white people with money. And only white people with money should have access to a particular type (and, arguably, a particularly dangerous type) of weaponry. This, of course, after what we as a society agree was at “best” the homicide of an unarmed black man by police in Minnesota about a week ago, and maybe at worst the broad daylight lynching of that man. I don’t believe in cancel culture, and I don’t believe that one dumb mistake in choice of words should ruin someone’s life. But this is really bad, and ultimately it will be up to the locker room whether the kid sticks around. Expand He meant to say either "all white people are elite" or "only white people who are elite" should be able to get suppressors. If it's the former, it's racist. If it's the latter, it classist. Neither is good but one is far worse. Edited June 4, 2020 by Doc
ColoradoBills Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 On 6/4/2020 at 7:34 PM, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Let him who is without sin cast the first stone. Expand .....and if I remember correctly the scene ended with "go and sin no more". I'm not a very "religious" person but that's a good lesson for everyone involved.
FireChans Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 On 6/4/2020 at 7:36 PM, Mango said: The "if it ain't white, it ain't right" didn't sit well with me. The rest seemed to just be song lyrics from Allen. Not defending it, but you are right, it is different. Fromm on the other hand, went out of his way to say that black people should not own guns. And to everybody saying it is a personal text. Yeah it is, and I could 100% lose my job if any of them got out. It isn't anybody's fault for reporting them. It is my fault for sending them. Like if I were to text a friend that "Jesus, my boss Jim is bat-***** crazy, POS and is making my life hell. Hope he gets hit by a car on the way home". If my boss Jim got a hold of that I could lose my job. That is nobody's fault but my own. Expand Oh look, it’s a guy who stands for the way the world ought to be now telling us how the world is. Is it moral that Jake Fromm loses his job from dumb texts he sent as a kid?
Doc Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 On 6/4/2020 at 7:36 PM, Mango said: The "if it ain't white, it ain't right" didn't sit well with me. The rest seemed to just be song lyrics from Allen. Not defending it, but you are right, it is different. Fromm on the other hand, went out of his way to say that black people should not own guns. And to everybody saying it is a personal text. Yeah it is, and I could 100% lose my job if any of them got out. It isn't anybody's fault for reporting them. It is my fault for sending them. Like if I were to text a friend that "Jesus, my boss Jim is bat-***** crazy, POS and is making my life hell. Hope he gets hit by a car on the way home". If my boss Jim got a hold of that I could lose my job. That is nobody's fault but my own. Expand No, silencers. 1
Buffalo716 Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 On 6/4/2020 at 4:56 PM, Rico said: “silly billy” wtf Expand Exactly What twenty something year old kids says that... If this is real who the hell is fromm hanging out with
SectionC3 Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) EDIT: This responds to Doc’s post with respect to the possible constructions of Fromm’s text. *** Disagree. He didn’t intend the first for obvious reasons of construction. (In that event he would have said simply all whites.) He may have meant something closer to the latter, which absolutely is classist. The racial undertones appear through the use of the qualifier “white” in that context. If there were no racial undertones to the comment, then there would have been no need for that qualifier. The reference to “elites” would have sufficed as an expression of classism. So he’s left with a statement that appears to be both classist and potentially racist. Jake has some explaining to do to that locker room. Edited June 4, 2020 by SectionC3
Mango Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 On 6/4/2020 at 7:44 PM, FireChans said: Oh look, it’s a guy who stands for the way the world ought to be now telling us how the world is. Is it moral that Jake Fromm loses his job from dumb texts he sent as a kid? Expand Fine by me actually. 60% of the locker room is black. He said some racist stuff in the last 400 days or so. I wouldn't fault an employer for not wanting that in the room. And I wouldn't fault players for not wanting him there. 1
SectionC3 Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 On 6/4/2020 at 7:44 PM, FireChans said: Oh look, it’s a guy who stands for the way the world ought to be now telling us how the world is. Is it moral that Jake Fromm loses his job from dumb texts he sent as a kid? Expand Capitalism doesn’t much care about morality. If Jake’s comments are bad for business then he will be a former employee. 1
FireChans Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 On 6/4/2020 at 7:48 PM, Mango said: Fine by me actually. 60% of the locker room is black. He said some racist stuff in the last 400 days or so. I wouldn't fault an employer for not wanting that in the room. And I wouldn't fault players for not wanting him there. Expand So yes? Man, I hope no one ever leaks your dumb texts.
SectionC3 Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 On 6/4/2020 at 7:35 PM, Warren Zevon said: True - but his life certainly wasn't ruined. He lost a Senate seat. He's still got family, friends, boatloads of cash (I assume), and is respected by most people. Expand To a point, yes. Maybe professional life or political life would have been better put on my end. Of course, if Franken defined his life by his Senate seat, then the broader statement would have been fair. The same logic might apply to Fromm. The kid’s life won’t be ruined if he gets fired. But his professional football career might be over before it started. 2
Kangaxx Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 We should probably cut him sooner rather than later lol.
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