GoBills808 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Just now, FireChans said: I sure do. If you wouldn't trade Allen for Watson because of one extra year of cost control, you're in outer space. Lmfao Watson The man Deandre Hopkins built Too funny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Prescott is such a weird player to me because he is both super underrated and super overrated. I think he is a middle of the road quarterback, but Dallas should not pay him what he is asking. He will not get that on the open market imo. I’ll ride with Allen. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Lmfao Watson The man Deandre Hopkins built Too funny Yeah, we all saw how good the Texans were without Watson. The Brocketship and Tom Savage were smoking teams in 2016. I'd love to see what QB's would win 10 games with the 28th defense in yards. Although, maybe they were better than they ranked, we watched them embarrass our boy for 2 Q's and OT last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Just now, FireChans said: Yeah, we all saw how good the Texans were without Watson. The Brocketship and Tom Savage were smoking teams in 2016. I'd love to see what QB's would win 10 games with the 28th defense in yards. Although, maybe they were better than they ranked, we watched them embarrass our boy for 2 Q's and OT last year. That team made the playoffs that year. The year before as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Watched all of Watson's Clemson and Houston games. I wouldn't bet against him. Also, people keep saying Bill O'Brian is a good coach, but . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Seasons1992 said: Take this well-reasoned crap and get outta here! ...build a wall around OBD QUICK......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Doc said: That team made the playoffs that year. The year before as well. They sure did, with the 29th ranked offense. Clearly, DHop was carrying that offense and their QB's to new heights. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, FireChans said: They sure did, with the 29th ranked offense. Clearly, DHop was carrying that offense and their QB's to new heights. With all the heights the Texans have been soaring to, they're still stuck with divisional round exits...like in 2016. Do you think losing DHop helps or hurts them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, FireChans said: Yeah, we all saw how good the Texans were without Watson. The Brocketship and Tom Savage were smoking teams in 2016. I'd love to see what QB's would win 10 games with the 28th defense in yards. Although, maybe they were better than they ranked, we watched them embarrass our boy for 2 Q's and OT last year. You’re deflecting. And I didn’t feel embarrassed at all watching Allen play Houston...if I had I’d find something else to spend my time on but that’s just me personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FireChans Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Doc said: With all the heights the Texans have been soaring to, they're still stuck with divisional round exits...like in 2016. Do you think losing DHop helps or hurts them? Try to stay on topic. Do you agree Watson is “the man that Deandre Hopkins built?” 15 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: You’re deflecting. And I didn’t feel embarrassed at all watching Allen play Houston...if I had I’d find something else to spend my time on but that’s just me personally. Deflecting. The evidence is there that the Texans’ offense was TRASH with DHOP and without Watson. They add a rookie Watson, and he puts up 17 TD’s in 6 starts (NFL record breaking) and the Texans win 3 of their 4 wins that year TOTAL before he goes down with injury. The next two full seasons, above average in points and yards offensively. Since 2013, before Watson, the Texans had an above average offense by those metrics ONCE. They didn’t post double digit wins ever. Two full seasons of Watson? Double digit wins and 2 playoff berths, including a playoff win. When the Bills offense is good next year, I can’t wait to see your reaction to folks saying Diggs is making Allen look better than he is. I’m sure you’ll be embarrassingly inconsistent. Edited May 30, 2020 by FireChans 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 2 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: A guy who writes articles on fansided states the Bills should trade for Dak as he is a significant upgrade over Josh and would push the Bills to the next level and he says the Bills can throw in a few draft picks as well...I often wonder did they watch the Thanksgiving game I think the Cowboys would drive Dak to he airport for that deal “writes articles for fansided” = basement-dwelling rank amateur. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, FireChans said: Try to stay on topic. Do you agree Watson is “the man that Deandre Hopkins built?” Deflecting. The evidence is there that the Texans’ offense was TRASH with DHOP and without Watson. They add a rookie Watson, and he puts up 17 TD’s in 6 starts (NFL record breaking) and the Texans win 3 of their 4 wins that year TOTAL before he goes down with injury. The next two full seasons, above average in points and yards offensively. Since 2013, before Watson, the Texans had an above average offense by those metrics ONCE. They didn’t post double digit wins ever. Two full seasons of Watson? Double digit wins and 2 playoff berths, including a playoff win. When the Bills offense is good next year, I can’t wait to see your reaction to folks saying Diggs is making Allen look better than he is. I’m sure you’ll be embarrassingly inconsistent. The only one embarrassing themself is you. If the bolded is what you consider your evidence, it's laughable. QB wins? Lol I'll save you the effort, I could not possibly care less about how many games a team happens to win in a given year in relation to how it informs QB play. I am FIRST to say Diggs will make Allen better. I HAVE been consistent in how I view Diggs and Hopkins for that matter. Likewise, I suppose when Allen puts up better stats and the Bills win more games than the Texans next season you'll concede he's the 'better' QB than Watson? I probably already proposed the Allen/Watson wager to you and I'm assuming you declined. If you have the courage of your convictions I will offer it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Just now, GoBills808 said: The only one embarrassing themself is you. If the bolded is what you consider your evidence, it's laughable. QB wins? Lol I'll save you the effort, I could not possibly care less about how many games a team happens to win in a given year in relation to how it informs QB play. I am FIRST to say Diggs will make Allen better. I HAVE been consistent in how I view Diggs and Hopkins for that matter. Likewise, I suppose when Allen puts up better stats and the Bills win more games than the Texans next season you'll concede he's the 'better' QB than Watson? I probably already proposed the Allen/Watson wager to you and I'm assuming you declined. If you have the courage of your convictions I will offer it again. LOL you want to cry about deflection and you don't address a single thing about offensive production. Incredible. Allen won't put up better passing stats than Watson next year. Not ANY/A or TD%. I'll bookmark this and I'll see you next year. Please remember to not cry about how I'm "rooting for Allen to fail" or "happy when the Bills lose." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 We’re squarely within the “some guy said something” phase of the offseason... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Just now, FireChans said: LOL you want to cry about deflection and you don't address a single thing about offensive production. Incredible. Allen won't put up better passing stats than Watson next year. Not ANY/A or TD%. I'll bookmark this and I'll see you next year. Please remember to not cry about how I'm "rooting for Allen to fail" or "happy when the Bills lose." I'm sorry I cannot be bothered to address your big reveal about how offensive production suffers when the starting QB goes down lmfao Oh Watson improved on what luminaries Brock Osweiler and Tom Savage had done previous, he's CLEARLY a top5 QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: I'm sorry I cannot be bothered to address your big reveal about how offensive production suffers when the starting QB goes down lmfao Oh Watson improved on what luminaries Brock Osweiler and Tom Savage had done previous, he's CLEARLY a top5 QB Clearly, Deshaun Watson broke rookie records for TD’s per game because uh uh he had a good WR. It couldn’t be because he’s good. Galaxy brain take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 20 minutes ago, FireChans said: Try to stay on topic. Do you agree Watson is “the man that Deandre Hopkins built?” Deflecting. We know that Watson didn't build Hopkins. I wouldn't say that Watson will be a dud without Hopkins but his numbers won't be nearly as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Doc said: We know that Watson didn't build Hopkins. I wouldn't say that Watson will be a dud without Hopkins but his numbers won't be nearly as good. Deflecting. It’s a yes or no question Doc. 1 minute ago, Doc said: 29 minutes ago, FireChans said: Do you agree Watson is “the man that Deandre Hopkins built?” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, FireChans said: Clearly, Deshaun Watson broke rookie records for TD’s per game because uh uh he had a good WR. It couldn’t be because he’s good. Galaxy brain take. TDs per game! TEARS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: TDs per game! TEARS Imagine making $1000 tough guy bets on stats and then acting like you don’t care about stats. Couldn’t be me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Here- $1k that Allen has more passing yards, total TDs, AND higher ANY/A than Watson in 2020. Put some skin in the game or pipe down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: Here- $1k that Allen has more passing yards, total TDs, AND higher ANY/A than Watson in 2020. Put some skin in the game or pipe down Passing yards!!! TEARS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 minute ago, FireChans said: Deflecting. It’s a yes or no question Doc. If you want a black or white answer, then yes, Hopkins built Watson. Hopkins was a stud with scrubs at QB. And despite the "high flying" offense, they're still getting bounced in the 2nd round of the playoffs (thanks to being helped past the wildcard round). The Texans will need to get Watson better receivers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 As suspected moving on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Doc said: If you want a black or white answer, then yes, Hopkins built Watson. Hopkins was a stud with scrubs at QB. And despite the "high flying" offense, they're still getting bounced in the 2nd round of the playoffs (thanks to being helped past the wildcard round). The Texans will need to get Watson better receivers. Thank you. Hopkins was good with bad QB’s. How does that prove anything about Watson? Watson has played two full seasons in the NFL and he’s getting dinged for not getting past the divisional round? Why don’t you call him a choker? What active QB’s get credit for their postseason record right now? Brady, Mahomes, Goff and Foles? Actually let me rephrase that. What active QB’s would you take over Watson to start in the postseason next year, all things being equal? Thanks to being helped? Are you arguing Deshaun Watson didn’t REALLY beat us in the playoffs last year? First full season, WC round exit, second full season, divisional round exit? Sounds like progress to me. Just now, GoBills808 said: As suspected moving on White flag. See ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 So you’re accepting the wager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv001 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Allen is a far superior QB to Prescott. So why would the Bills make such a trade. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 17 minutes ago, FireChans said: Imagine making $1000 tough guy bets on stats and then acting like you don’t care about stats. Couldn’t be me. 808 loves to offer enormous bets knowing that nobody is stupid enough to make bets that large with some random on the internet they don’t even know so that he can spike the football and declare victory. It’s his schtick. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 19 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: As suspected moving on 11 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: So you’re accepting the wager? You can’t come back after saying you’re leaving. It takes away from the dramatic flourish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Just now, FireChans said: You can’t come back after saying you’re leaving. It takes away from the dramatic flourish. Deflect. Accept or decline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: Deflect. Accept or decline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Dak is sooooooo overrated. WTH?!?!?! Why is he even in the news anymore? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Yep just another one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t mind being tagged lol. Is the question, “who is the better player today?” The answer is unequivocally Dak. Josh’s story hasn’t been written yet and I’m on record as believing that he will be a star. I wouldn’t make that trade but anyone that thinks, on May 30, 2020 that Josh Allen is a better QB than Dak Prescott is INSANE. Please, please, please people don’t point to the one time that you watched Dak last year either. You need to look at the entire sample size. Much truth here, but it looks more and more like Dak has plateaued/peaked, with all the talent on that team he hasn’t been able to bring home the bacon ? jmo at this time. I reserve the right to be wrong in the future ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 3 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: A guy who writes articles on fansided states the Bills should trade for Dak as he is a significant upgrade over Josh and would push the Bills to the next level and he says the Bills can throw in a few draft picks as well...I often wonder did they watch the Thanksgiving game I think the Cowboys would drive Dak to he airport for that deal If Dak is so much better, why would Jerruh trade him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Fansided hahaha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: If Dak is so much better, why would Jerruh trade him? Hm, why would a team trade a player in a contract dispute for another player and picks. I can't think of anything either... Edited May 30, 2020 by FireChans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) Honestly, I wouldn't trade Josh for any QB in the league right now. I'm not positive he will be a superstar yet, but I feel good enough about him that I want to see it play out. Josh is the perfect QB for Buffalo and this team. I'd rather see our guy blossom, than trade the farm for a different QB. I realize that some of you don't agree with that because you don't think Josh will ever blossom. And while I can understand people not being 100% sold yet, and wanting to see more first, those who are so positive that Josh sucks and always will, well I think you are delusional, and I really wonder what games you were watching last season. And not wanting to trade Josh is not a knock on Mahomes or Watson or Murray or Jackson or anyone else. You can like many QBs and think some or all will be good. Just because you think one will be good doesn't mean another won't be. It's an exciting time for the league with a lot of young QBs who look like they are going to develop into either solid or even franchise QBs (Mahomes already has, obviously). But, whenever these discussions come up, I feel like many (on both sides) are just arguing in a vacuum. To really compare two QBs, like Dak and Josh, you can't just look at win/loss record or a handful of stats. You also have to look at the context. How good an offensive line do they have? How much does the defense help out? Who was more polished/experienced coming into the league? Who's coaching them? What kind of weapons do they have? How good was the overall team that the QB is stepping in to? Who's on your schedule (how many good or bad defenses)? etc., etc. For instance, to compare Dak and Josh's 2018 season, you can't just say Dallas had more wins and Dak had better stats, so he is obviously the better QB. Well, Dak was in his third year, with two full seasons of NFL experience behind him. Josh was a rookie. Dak had one of the best Olines in the league, where Josh's Oline was so pathetic that it had to be completely rebuilt the next year. Dallas was a more veteran team, the Bills were young and had UDFAs starting because of a lack of salary cap. Dak's top two targets were Amari Cooper and Cole Beasley. Josh's top targets were Zay Jones and Robert Foster. Defense was about even (Yards given up: Bills 2nd , Dallas 6th; points allowed Dallas 6th, Bills 18th; Turnovers: Bills 9th, Dallas 19th). Context matters. Having said that, I'm not so sure that Dak is definitely better than Josh right now. But even if he is, Josh has way more upside and is cheap for the next 3 years, so why in God's name would anyone suggest giving up draft picks and paying a monster contract to a guy who at best is a little better than your current QB, but with a lower ceiling? Idiotic (and I assume click bait) post by the "reporter" who put it out there. Edited May 30, 2020 by folz 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: You forgot to include an open poll. Remember they were in division which is powerhouse including Cowpokes and Redskin Potatoes. Yeah and Josh has had those elite Jets and Dolphins teams to deal with... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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