mushypeaches Posted April 20, 2020 Posted April 20, 2020 I was thinking about this the other day too. I think Josh Allen is already the best QB in the division. And then I thought - this is probably the first time in history that the Bills can claim that 3 1
Bulldog Posted April 20, 2020 Posted April 20, 2020 On 4/20/2020 at 12:13 PM, mushypeaches said: I was thinking about this the other day too. I think Josh Allen is already the best QB in the division. And then I thought - this is probably the first time in history that the Bills can claim that Expand If we could have ever claimed to have the best QB in the AFC East - it would certainly be very few times (at best). Here is a year for you -- 1980. The AFC East Quarterbacks were: Jets -- Richard Todd Dolphins - David Woodley Patriots -- Steve Grogan Colts (yes, for you youngsters out there - the Colts in the AFC East back then) - Bert Jones Bills - Joe Ferguson I think that the 1980 version of Joe Ferguson might have been the best of this group - although I always had a high opinion of Bert Jones. 3
Greg S Posted April 20, 2020 Author Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) On 4/20/2020 at 12:31 PM, Bulldog said: If we could have ever claimed to have the best QB in the AFC East - it would certainly be very few times (at best). Here is a year for you -- 1980. The AFC East Quarterbacks were: Jets -- Richard Todd Dolphins - David Woodley Patriots -- Steve Grogan Colts (yes, for you youngsters out there - the Colts in the AFC East back then) - Bert Jones Bills - Joe Ferguson I think that the 1980 version of Joe Ferguson might have been the best of this group - although I always had a high opinion of Bert Jones. Expand I would have to give the edge to Jones. He was one of the best pure passers in the game during that time. Ferguson had a good year in 80 but overall he was up and down. In my lifetime Ferguson was the 2nd best QB to play for the Bills. Jack Kemp was before my time although he probably should be ahead Ferguson based on the back to back AFL championships he led the Bills to. Edited April 20, 2020 by Greg S 1
DJB Posted April 20, 2020 Posted April 20, 2020 Josh Allen is the worst. Am I doing it right? I'm trying to act like the media. 1
buffalo2218 Posted April 20, 2020 Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) Jet fans are stewing hard over this. This reminds me of the Kelly/Marino rivalry. Marino was the slightly better passer, but Kelly had the better overall team. Couldn't explain that to phish fans. The majority of the Jet fan base thinks Darnold is good enough to overcome lack of talent and bad coaching/management. When he fails, they resort to excuses of that manner. Funny how they call Allen inaccurate yet Darnold threw more INTs in 4 less games in 2019 Edited April 20, 2020 by buffalo2218
Greg S Posted April 20, 2020 Author Posted April 20, 2020 On 4/20/2020 at 12:42 PM, DJB said: Josh Allen is the worst. Am I doing it right? I'm trying to act like the media. Expand You forgot to add the Bills are overrated and will go 6-10 at best and the Patriots are the greatest sports franchise ever. Then you will sound like the media. 1 1
eball Posted April 20, 2020 Posted April 20, 2020 On 4/20/2020 at 12:39 PM, Greg S said: I would have to give the edge to Jones. He was one of the best pure passers in the game during that time. Ferguson had a good year in 80 but overall he was up and down. In my lifetime Ferguson was the 2nd best QB to play for the Bills. Jack Kemp was before my time although he probably should be ahead Ferguson based on the back to back AFL championships he led the Bills to. Expand As a passer Fergie is the 2nd best Bills QB of all time. Hoping Josh eventually bumps him down to 3rd.
BritBill Posted April 20, 2020 Posted April 20, 2020 At this moment it's Allen and I hope it stays that way but..... I think Darnold will have the better career and be the better QB but that depends on how quickly the Jets get rid of Gase. Darnold might have to move away from New Jersey to overtake Allen. But then he won't be in the AFC East (probably).
Greg S Posted April 20, 2020 Author Posted April 20, 2020 On 4/20/2020 at 1:05 PM, BritBill said: At this moment it's Allen and I hope it stays that way but..... I think Darnold will have the better career and be the better QB but that depends on how quickly the Jets get rid of Gase. Darnold might have to move away from New Jersey to overtake Allen. But then he won't be in the AFC East (probably). Expand Jets fans are hoping Joe Douglas does for them what Beane has done for the Bills. But if the Jets are going to get better then Gase will have to go. He is terrible IMHO but I hope he stays their HC for the obvious reason. JD has a 6 year contract with the Jets so the chances he gets to hire his own HC is probably a good one. 2
Stank_Nasty Posted April 20, 2020 Posted April 20, 2020 Posted this vid the other day in a different thread. I get the biggest kick out of Clark. He begrudgingly says Allen Is the best but it’s totally backhanded and you can tell its physically and emotionally paining him to admit it. 1
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 20, 2020 Posted April 20, 2020 On 4/20/2020 at 1:23 PM, Stank_Nasty said: Posted this vid the other day in a different thread. I get the biggest kick out of Clark. He begrudgingly says Allen Is the best but it’s totally backhanded and you can tell its physically and emotionally paining him to admit it. Expand I mean it’s a little different than the NFC South, right?
Bill from NYC Posted April 20, 2020 Posted April 20, 2020 On 4/20/2020 at 12:31 PM, Bulldog said: If we could have ever claimed to have the best QB in the AFC East - it would certainly be very few times (at best). Here is a year for you -- 1980. The AFC East Quarterbacks were: Jets -- Richard Todd Dolphins - David Woodley Patriots -- Steve Grogan Colts (yes, for you youngsters out there - the Colts in the AFC East back then) - Bert Jones Bills - Joe Ferguson I think that the 1980 version of Joe Ferguson might have been the best of this group - although I always had a high opinion of Bert Jones. Expand If Jones didn't get injured, he would be one of the best ever. Much better than Fergy, who WAS good, but not even close to Jones. Jmo. 4
DCOrange Posted April 20, 2020 Posted April 20, 2020 On 4/20/2020 at 1:23 PM, Stank_Nasty said: Posted this vid the other day in a different thread. I get the biggest kick out of Clark. He begrudgingly says Allen Is the best but it’s totally backhanded and you can tell its physically and emotionally paining him to admit it. Expand To be fair, it's probably the worst division in the league in terms of QB play right now. The fact that it's a debate between Darnold and Allen is pretty sad.
Rico Posted April 20, 2020 Posted April 20, 2020 On 4/20/2020 at 12:39 PM, Greg S said: I would have to give the edge to Jones. He was one of the best pure passers in the game during that time. Ferguson had a good year in 80 but overall he was up and down. In my lifetime Ferguson was the 2nd best QB to play for the Bills. Jack Kemp was before my time although he probably should be ahead Ferguson based on the back to back AFL championships he led the Bills to. Expand Yeah, I don't remember 1980 Bert Jones very well, but overall he just crushed Sad Sack Fergy. Fergy did have a good year in 1980 though.
hjnick Posted April 20, 2020 Posted April 20, 2020 On 4/20/2020 at 12:13 PM, mushypeaches said: I was thinking about this the other day too. I think Josh Allen is already the best QB in the division. And then I thought - this is probably the first time in history that the Bills can claim that Expand Who was better than Jim Kelly and the 4 superbowls that he led us to?
Dr. K Posted April 20, 2020 Posted April 20, 2020 On 4/20/2020 at 12:39 PM, Greg S said: I would have to give the edge to Jones. He was one of the best pure passers in the game during that time. Ferguson had a good year in 80 but overall he was up and down. In my lifetime Ferguson was the 2nd best QB to play for the Bills. Jack Kemp was before my time although he probably should be ahead Ferguson based on the back to back AFL championships he led the Bills to. Expand Ferguson was five times better than Kemp, and I liked Kemp. But Saban would regularly pull Kemp in the middle of games and put Lamonica in to jump start the offense.
MJS Posted April 20, 2020 Posted April 20, 2020 On 4/20/2020 at 1:05 PM, BritBill said: At this moment it's Allen and I hope it stays that way but..... I think Darnold will have the better career and be the better QB but that depends on how quickly the Jets get rid of Gase. Darnold might have to move away from New Jersey to overtake Allen. But then he won't be in the AFC East (probably). Expand And what evidence is there of that? Darnold is an INT machine and was in college too. His coach doesn't cause him to throw INT's.
Greg S Posted April 20, 2020 Author Posted April 20, 2020 On 4/20/2020 at 1:32 PM, hjnick said: Who was better than Jim Kelly and the 4 superbowls that he led us to? Expand As far as best QB in the division during this time many would give the nod to Marino. Both were great QB's but Marino was probably better. Jim had the better team which is why the Bills won most of the games between the two. 1
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