Bobby Hooks Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Oh good, someone new to a message board who thinks theyre the smartest guy in the room because you believe you're "logical" when in fact you arent. You say above "You say they should do something and I say they can do whatever they’d like", yet your very first post in this discussion said: Directly implying that the Bills can NOT do whatever they like. Key absolute "can't". When they in fact can arbitrarily strip him of his accomplishments as they see fit if they so choose to. YOU said they can't. All I ever said is that they "should", not that they must. Of course they can do whatever they like. Maybe the problem is I know to state my opinions as opinions, and you phrase your opinions as facts. I'm done discussing with you because you cant even follow your own discussion, and are bad at it. Agree to disagree. Bye. No, actually I said YOU can’t arbitrarily strip him. I never said the Bills cant. So this post is pretty much meaningless. You did do one thing correctly and that was to bow out. Its obvious you’re not cut out for adult discussions. Xoxoxo, Bobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Rico said: Quit on the team in 2003. Don’t really want to see Moulds up there after the 2005 season either. His beef was with the coaches. He gave everything he had and did it well for a long time. Ruben has remained positive towards the Bills since he retired. Sorry, but you need to revisit the event a bit more thoroughly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, Spiderweb said: His beef was with the coaches. He gave everything he had and did it well for a long time. Ruben has remained positive towards the Bills since he retired. Sorry, but you need to revisit the event a bit more thoroughly. He’s already been accordingly labeled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 38 minutes ago, Rico said: He’s already been accordingly labeled. don't you want to regurgitate and rechew the cud from those 2 decades of suck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 2 hours ago, row_33 said: don't you want to regurgitate and rechew the cud from those 2 decades of suck? I would like to see someone write a book about what really went down during the drought era. Too much fake news & revisionist history floating around, new and future fans need to know the real story. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 30 minutes ago, Rico said: I would like to see someone write a book about what really went down during the drought era. Too much fake news & revisionist history floating around, new and future fans need to know the real story. hard to tell when a GM advises a presser he had no idea the coach was being fired, and didn't know until told at the presser the coach was fired, and that he had no opinion on the matter at all did he have a backroom of toadies slapping him on the back telling him that was wise and witty and clever afterwards? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par73 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Bennett, Butch Byrd and Moulds are all deserving, imo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheRocks Posted March 2, 2020 Author Share Posted March 2, 2020 On 2/27/2020 at 5:57 PM, Rico said: I would like to see someone write a book about what really went down during the drought era. Too much fake news & revisionist history floating around, new and future fans need to know the real story. In my opinion, the drought era began in 2002 with Tom Donahoe drafting Mike Williams and Willis McGahee in back to back years in the first round. I remember being super pumped when Donahoe was brought in from the Steelers. It reminded me of when the Bills landed Chuck Knox, except success never followed with TD. And he added Tom Mordrak who at the time I was also high on. What a disaster that front office turned out to be. As I remember it, the Bills had gaping holes all over their roster. Mike Williams was a larger than life personality, and a larger than life bust. Then Donahoe selected Willis McGahee who blew out his knee the year before and we knew in advance he wouldn't be available for at least one year. Not to mention that most draft specialist expected McGahee to be available in the next round. And if that wasn't enough, in 2004, he traded up into the first round to select J.P. Losman. Tom Donahoe is the single most responsible person for a nearly 20 year drought. And if there were a Wall of Shame for the Bills, he would be a first ballot inaugural member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofton80 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Moulds, Rueben Brown or Bennett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Lofton80 said: Moulds, Rueben Brown or Bennett or Lofton80. Juss sayin’ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 25 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: or Lofton80. Juss sayin’ not a hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 On 2/26/2020 at 3:23 PM, MJS said: Eric Moulds anyone? My first choice would be Butch Byrd. He was with the team for 10, but in his 8 years as a starter: 626 receptions (78.25/yr), for 8,523 yards and 46 TDs. ...damn straight with this, MJS. Side note (and I bring this up occasionally), when he retired from the League in 2007 he was the last player left to have caught a TD from Jim Kelly ('86-'96) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 3 hours ago, OnTheRocks said: In my opinion, the drought era began in 2002 with Tom Donahoe drafting Mike Williams and Willis McGahee in back to back years in the first round. I remember being super pumped when Donahoe was brought in from the Steelers. It reminded me of when the Bills landed Chuck Knox, except success never followed with TD. And he added Tom Mordrak who at the time I was also high on. What a disaster that front office turned out to be. As I remember it, the Bills had gaping holes all over their roster. Mike Williams was a larger than life personality, and a larger than life bust. Then Donahoe selected Willis McGahee who blew out his knee the year before and we knew in advance he wouldn't be available for at least one year. Not to mention that most draft specialist expected McGahee to be available in the next round. And if that wasn't enough, in 2004, he traded up into the first round to select J.P. Losman. Tom Donahoe is the single most responsible person for a nearly 20 year drought. And if there were a Wall of Shame for the Bills, he would be a first ballot inaugural member. Can’t argue any of that, really. TD and Greggo, who got rid of Pat Williams because he was gonna “tackle in numbers” really set us back. I’d also add that John Butler’s mismanagement of the cap and the mess it created was all a catalyst for the suckitude that followed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 1 hour ago, dollars 2 donuts said: He was with the team for 10, but in his 8 years as a starter: 626 receptions (78.25/yr), for 8,523 yards and 46 TDs. ...damn straight with this, MJS. Side note (and I bring this up occasionally), when he retired from the League in 2007 he was the last player left to have caught a TD from Jim Kelly ('86-'96) Moulds was my favorite player growing up. I loved watching him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 On 2/26/2020 at 3:34 PM, Virgil said: He’s easily my top 3 over-rated Bills players this didn’t stop Fred Smerlas from getting on the wall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 On 2/27/2020 at 1:17 PM, Jauronimo said: What do you guys think about taking OJ off the Wall? Allegedly he killed some people. Ready for some more serious debate?!??! right after solving this one, we are finally going to nail down whether it tastes great or its less filling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 On 2/26/2020 at 2:31 PM, DrDawkinstein said: The NFL's policy doesnt require a court conviction to determine conduct detrimental to the league. They are their own private company free to make their own rules, so they totally can decide to strip someone of their accomplishments as they see fit. Plus, he's since spent time in jail for other actions. Take him down. His name is fine and needs to stay. He was a great player for the Bills and one of the best RBs of all time. He also was a murderer. Both are parts of his story you cannot erase history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, corta765 said: His name is fine and needs to stay. He was a great player for the Bills and one of the best RBs of all time. He also was a murderer. Both are parts of his story you cannot erase history. he was acquitted of murder, seemed like millions on TV showed that this was the greatest moment of their existence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 How long until we can seriously talk about Kyle Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 6 hours ago, OnTheRocks said: In my opinion, the drought era began in 2002 with Tom Donahoe drafting Mike Williams and Willis McGahee in back to back years in the first round. I remember being super pumped when Donahoe was brought in from the Steelers. It reminded me of when the Bills landed Chuck Knox, except success never followed with TD. And he added Tom Mordrak who at the time I was also high on. What a disaster that front office turned out to be. As I remember it, the Bills had gaping holes all over their roster. Mike Williams was a larger than life personality, and a larger than life bust. Then Donahoe selected Willis McGahee who blew out his knee the year before and we knew in advance he wouldn't be available for at least one year. Not to mention that most draft specialist expected McGahee to be available in the next round. And if that wasn't enough, in 2004, he traded up into the first round to select J.P. Losman. Tom Donahoe is the single most responsible person for a nearly 20 year drought. And if there were a Wall of Shame for the Bills, he would be a first ballot inaugural member. While I agree with what you have stated, I personally felt that the drought started when we fired Wade Philips, that was start of the downfall. Hiring Greg Williams as our HC was the next mistake and then getting Donahoe to run the front office was the final nail in the coffin. And that led to what we saw for 17 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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