Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 So there’s this article from Parrino. Seems Van Pelt doesn’t want Mayfield working with someone else: Van Pelt is planning to alter Mayfield’s footwork mechanics and had an interesting take when it comes to who he wants his quarterback working with this offseason. “No disrespect to any of the guys that work with the quarterbacks,’’ Van Pelt said, according to Cleveland.com. “They all do a great job, but I would like to consider myself in that area and I’d like to have him do it how we would do it here. So if somebody’s on board with how we do it, (fine), but I’d hate to have him go somewhere else and teach him a different set of footwork or drill work." Different viewpoint than Daboll/Dorsey and McDermott express, at least publicly: The Bills’ organization is supportive when it comes to Allen working with Palmer. Bills coach Sean McDermott mentioned Allen’s work with Palmer as being a positive part of his growth and thinks continued time with Palmer will help him further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 38 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So there’s this article from Parrino. Seems Van Pelt doesn’t want Mayfield working with someone else: Van Pelt is planning to alter Mayfield’s footwork mechanics and had an interesting take when it comes to who he wants his quarterback working with this offseason. “No disrespect to any of the guys that work with the quarterbacks,’’ Van Pelt said, according to Cleveland.com. “They all do a great job, but I would like to consider myself in that area and I’d like to have him do it how we would do it here. So if somebody’s on board with how we do it, (fine), but I’d hate to have him go somewhere else and teach him a different set of footwork or drill work." Different viewpoint than Daboll/Dorsey and McDermott express, at least publicly: The Bills’ organization is supportive when it comes to Allen working with Palmer. Bills coach Sean McDermott mentioned Allen’s work with Palmer as being a positive part of his growth and thinks continued time with Palmer will help him further. Just read that. Van Pelt just wants whoever Mayfield works with to be in tune with Van Pelt's own techniques. But it's a non-issue since Mayfield isn't working with anyone, anyway. It seems like totally the wrong approach. The QB should get all that work done away from team practice. Then team practice is all about executing the offense, not so much about mechanics. Maybe since Van Pelt is new to the Browns, he doesn't trust that Mayfield can apply someone else's teachings to the Browns' specific offense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 20 hours ago, rayray808 said: his rookie cards have tanked... the hobby knows Where are Josh's at? I was collecting for a little while a couple years ago, tried getting each Bills draft class from like, 2013 (anyone want some Robert Woods autographed rookie cards? Haha) and forward but I petered out around 2017. Still would like to get a few JA cards but have never liked dishing out $50 or more for a single card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayray808 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 6 hours ago, blacklabel said: Where are Josh's at? I was collecting for a little while a couple years ago, tried getting each Bills draft class from like, 2013 (anyone want some Robert Woods autographed rookie cards? Haha) and forward but I petered out around 2017. Still would like to get a few JA cards but have never liked dishing out $50 or more for a single card. Josh has been around the same price as Darnold. Baker was the king last year, but Lamar Jackson blazed past all of them. Ballpark rankings of a contenders rookie ticket graded at a BGS 9.5... - Lamar Jackson - $2,400 - Baker Mayfield - $650 - Josh Allen - $350 - Sam Darnold - $320 - Josh Rosen - $60 **Pat Mahomes - $11,000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 21 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Just read that. Van Pelt just wants whoever Mayfield works with to be in tune with Van Pelt's own techniques. But it's a non-issue since Mayfield isn't working with anyone, anyway. It seems like totally the wrong approach. The QB should get all that work done away from team practice. Then team practice is all about executing the offense, not so much about mechanics. Maybe since Van Pelt is new to the Browns, he doesn't trust that Mayfield can apply someone else's teachings to the Browns' specific offense. I agree with you that team practice is all about executing the offense, especially when it’s a new offense I’m a little surprised this isn’t more of a story; it seems like usually, a #1 overall draft pick going into his 3rd season doesn’t have his coaches talking about changing his footwork. But if you’re gonna try to change it....work on it off-season. Maybe it is a story, just not in places I look. Van Pelt plans to serve as the QB coach as well. Kind of strikes me as inability to delegate or lack of trust/insecurity - I think a new OC had better focus on his offense and have a QB coach to help his QBs But maybe Stefanski is the real OC....in which case see above I don’t really care what the Brownies do, just strikes me as curious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don’t really care what the Brownies do, just strikes me as curious An appropriate assessment of the Cleveland Browns for quite a few years now. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 21 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Just read that. Van Pelt just wants whoever Mayfield works with to be in tune with Van Pelt's own techniques. But it's a non-issue since Mayfield isn't working with anyone, anyway. It seems like totally the wrong approach. The QB should get all that work done away from team practice. Then team practice is all about executing the offense, not so much about mechanics. Maybe since Van Pelt is new to the Browns, he doesn't trust that Mayfield can apply someone else's teachings to the Browns' specific offense. I know I already followed this post, so excuse....but I just had the thought that actually, Mayfield has said he isn't working with anyone ELSE as a QB coach. But that's not the same as "not working with anyone", is it now? Mayfield is working with himself, as his own QB coach. I think that means, fundamentally, he doesn't trust anyone else. Van Pelt doesn't want Mayfield working with anyone else, which sounds to me like fundamentally he doesn't trust anyone else. Hmmmmm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 14 hours ago, rayray808 said: Josh has been around the same price as Darnold. Baker was the king last year, but Lamar Jackson blazed past all of them. Ballpark rankings of a contenders rookie ticket graded at a BGS 9.5... - Lamar Jackson - $2,400 - Baker Mayfield - $650 - Josh Allen - $350 - Sam Darnold - $320 - Josh Rosen - $60 **Pat Mahomes - $11,000 Holy schnikes! Contenders are always the hot set of the year. I'll probably snag a cheap-o from a different set at some point. 11k for Mahomes, dang. Best I ever did on a single card was a 1/21 Cracked Ice Contenders Montee Ball auto. Anyone remember that guy? Anywho, some poor schmuck in Colorado bought it off me through eBay for $180. Dude was out of the league like, maybe a year later, if that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 They kept his offensive coordinator - and promoted him to HC. That guy then fired the QB coach. Seems like the QB coach may have had more to do with mayfields success than kitchens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 On 2/19/2020 at 1:04 PM, C.Biscuit97 said: I loved Van Pelt when he was here but what exactly has done at the nfl level? Wasn’t he just basically Rodgers coffee boy? he threw the softest football i have ever seen. same trajectory as a wounded duck but slower moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 20 minutes ago, Tcali said: he threw the softest football i have ever seen. same trajectory as a wounded duck but slower moving. Was it....softer than Peterman? Van Pelt did throw 10 INT in 6 games (3 starts) in 1997, but the max. per game was 3 I do think Mayfield is going to epitomize the joke about the "mule trained with loving kindness" to Van Pelt: "first, you gotta get his attention" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 “Fudgie Footwork” you say? *Rex Ryan signs up to be at every Browns training camp* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 6 hours ago, dneveu said: They kept his offensive coordinator - and promoted him to HC. That guy then fired the QB coach. Seems like the QB coach may have had more to do with mayfields success than kitchens. Ken Zampese was the Browns QB coach in 2018. You are correct in your assessment. Mayfield respected him and they worked well together. In 2019 Kitchens did not retain Zampese and moved Ryan Lindley from RB coach to QB coach. Lindley had been a QB, but he and Mayfield pretty much hated each other. Mayfield didn’t respect him or listen to him - and it showed. I am not assigning blame on that. On one hand Mayfield worked well with his previous coach. On the other he sure didn’t put in the time he should’ve in the off-season leading up to the 2019 season. We will now see who Mayfield is. He has seen what coasting results in and he now has Stefanski as HC/de facto OC. He has gotten a lot out of his QBs in the past. He’s also got Van Pelt as OC/de facto QB coach. His main job is to get Mayfield in order and he is a guy known for hard coaching. The pieces are in place so if Mayfield fails, it’s on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 39 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Ken Zampese was the Browns QB coach in 2018. You are correct in your assessment. Mayfield respected him and they worked well together. In 2019 Kitchens did not retain Zampese and moved Ryan Lindley from RB coach to QB coach. Lindley had been a QB, but he and Mayfield pretty much hated each other. Mayfield didn’t respect him or listen to him - and it showed. I am not assigning blame on that. On one hand Mayfield worked well with his previous coach. On the other he sure didn’t put in the time he should’ve in the off-season leading up to the 2019 season. We will now see who Mayfield is. He has seen what coasting results in and he now has Stefanski as HC/de facto OC. He has gotten a lot out of his QBs in the past. He’s also got Van Pelt as OC/de facto QB coach. His main job is to get Mayfield in order and he is a guy known for hard coaching. The pieces are in place so if Mayfield fails, it’s on him. I'm not doubting you, but I'm curious why you say Van Pelt is known for hard coaching? And do you feel that hard coaching has shown hard results by any metric? AVP prev. stints as QB coach: Tampa Bay 2010,2011 Green Bay 2014-2017 Cincinnati 2018,2019 Obviously, Rodgers did very well between 2014 and 2017, but Rodgers has done well long before, and since..... Freeman had a good year in 2010, but regressed in 2011 - more TD than INT The wheels kind of fell off Dalton the last 2 years, but they were kind of slipping the previous year so hard to either credit or blame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 23 minutes ago, wppete said: If he’s going to look like Pedro, then they need Uncle Rico, not AVP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'm not doubting you, but I'm curious why you say Van Pelt is known for hard coaching? And do you feel that hard coaching has shown hard results by any metric? AVP prev. stints as QB coach: Tampa Bay 2010,2011 Green Bay 2014-2017 Cincinnati 2018,2019 Obviously, Rodgers did very well between 2014 and 2017, but Rodgers has done well long before, and since..... Freeman had a good year in 2010, but regressed in 2011 - more TD than INT The wheels kind of fell off Dalton the last 2 years, but they were kind of slipping the previous year so hard to either credit or blame A couple media people I know who report on the Browns had this to say about Van Pelt: - Mayfield will be his job - he’s a teacher, not a buddy - he holds everyone accountable - he’s a quality QB coach - Aaron Rodgers loved him - he will coach hard if needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngjebrey Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 On 2/19/2020 at 4:21 PM, rayray808 said: his rookie cards have tanked... the hobby knows Lol you’re not kidding. Every now and then I’ll buy a pack of cards at target when I’m shopping and I pulled a baker RC 2 years ago. Checked the value on it a few weeks ago and it dropped ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Hopefully he can improve his footboard......on Dancing With The Stars, or at the very least he gets a shoe commercial out of it. Priorities, don’t ‘ya know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 hour ago, BarleyNY said: A couple media people I know who report on the Browns had this to say about Van Pelt: - Mayfield will be his job - he’s a teacher, not a buddy - he holds everyone accountable - he’s a quality QB coach - Aaron Rodgers loved him - he will coach hard if needed That's all well and good But if Mayfield is his job...his job sounds like QB coach, not OC, to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That's all well and good But if Mayfield is his job...his job sounds like QB coach, not OC, to me. They probably figure that Stefanski will handle a lot of the OC stuff and just gave AVP the title to get him to take the job since he was QB coach in Cincy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: They probably figure that Stefanski will handle a lot of the OC stuff and just gave AVP the title to get him to take the job since he was QB coach in Cincy Fair. Whether it's the best plan to have a relatively inexperienced rookie HC try to be effectively a HC/OC is another question then So if you and @BarleyNY have some Browns stuff, is the Cheesecake Factory kerfluffle a nothing-burger that will fade away quietly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Fair. Whether it's the best plan to have a relatively inexperienced rookie HC try to be effectively a HC/OC is another question then So if you and @BarleyNY have some Browns stuff, is the Cheesecake Factory kerfluffle a nothing-burger that will fade away quietly? I don’t know any real Browns info really, though i have many friends who are browns “die hards” and discuss them constantly. The Cheesecake Factory story didn’t gain traction on the local radio shows because the stations are in process of negotiating contracts with the team and don’t want to make them mad by being “negative” ... it’s entertaining to see them dance around it but he’s lucky it came out in February. Some podcasts have been very critical, but not the actual radio stations Edited February 22, 2020 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That's all well and good But if Mayfield is his job...his job sounds like QB coach, not OC, to me. Stefanski was an OC. He’ll be heading up the offense and is expected to call plays this year. It’s not any different than many other teams where the HC is in charge of one side of the ball. McD called the defensive plays in 2018. Honestly I’m not sure if he called them last season or not, but it’s still his defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Fair. Whether it's the best plan to have a relatively inexperienced rookie HC try to be effectively a HC/OC is another question then So if you and @BarleyNY have some Browns stuff, is the Cheesecake Factory kerfluffle a nothing-burger that will fade away quietly? Rumors floating around is that it would be in line with typical Baker activity, but that it is not an issue with Emily. That is just rumor, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 16 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Rumors floating around is that it would be in line with typical Baker activity, but that it is not an issue with Emily. That is just rumor, however. “Not an issue with Emily” meaning she knows and she’s OK with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 20 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: “Not an issue with Emily” meaning she knows and she’s OK with it? Yes, but I don’t have any specifics on that (two way street, one way street, rules, whatever). And again, that’s all just unverified rumor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 21 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Yes, but I don’t have any specifics on that (two way street, one way street, rules, whatever). And again, that’s all just unverified rumor. Unusual, but if true makes Baker less of a sleaze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 13 hours ago, BarleyNY said: Stefanski was an OC. He’ll be heading up the offense and is expected to call plays this year. It’s not any different than many other teams where the HC is in charge of one side of the ball. McD called the defensive plays in 2018. Honestly I’m not sure if he called them last season or not, but it’s still his defense. He called SOME defensive plays in 2018. 15 hours ago, BarleyNY said: A couple media people I know who report on the Browns had this to say about Van Pelt: - Mayfield will be his job - he’s a teacher, not a buddy - he holds everyone accountable - he’s a quality QB coach - Aaron Rodgers loved him - he will coach hard if needed Aaron Rodgers was really mad at coaching staff for cutting Van Pelt. Van Pelt is supposedly very good at getting hard headed QBs to look at stuff analytically which makes him a good match for Mayfield and a loss for Bengals. 14 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That's all well and good But if Mayfield is his job...his job sounds like QB coach, not OC, to me. 14 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: They probably figure that Stefanski will handle a lot of the OC stuff and just gave AVP the title to get him to take the job since he was QB coach in Cincy Whether they gave him title or not Bengals could have not allowed to move to a division rival but they have enough difficulty recruiting coaches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, Limeaid said: He called SOME defensive plays in 2018. Aaron Rodgers was really mad at coaching staff for cutting Van Pelt. Van Pelt is supposedly very good at getting hard headed QBs to look at stuff analytically which makes him a good match for Mayfield and a loss for Bengals. Whether they gave him title or not Bengals could have not allowed to move to a division rival but they have enough difficulty recruiting coaches. Right, they could have - but most teams won’t block a promotion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, BarleyNY said: A couple media people I know who report on the Browns had this to say about Van Pelt: - Mayfield will be his job - he’s a teacher, not a buddy - he holds everyone accountable - he’s a quality QB coach - Aaron Rodgers loved him - he will coach hard if needed I believe he’s a good QB coach. His job is Baker because this is a make or break year for him and they need to know if they need to draft a QB in 2021. There isn’t anyone there who is tied to Baker anymore. So if he is bad, or immature, or doesn’t work hard in the offseason again, etc, they don’t really need to feel committed to him for that 4th year. They didn’t draft him. If he doesn’t improve - significantly - from last year, I think they won’t hesitate to trade him and move on. He has his work cut out for him too. 4th OC in 3 years, both top WRs had surgeries that will keep them out through most of the preseason if not all, learning a new offense, changing his footwork, and dealing with a lot of negativity around him in the media (which he’s accountable for btw). On the plus side, this offense is QB friendly and should put him in position to look good (a lot of play action, run heavy, with talent in that area). If they can improve the OL and get the defense back to form with Garrett back things could go well. But big question marks. I won’t be surprised if they take a WR in the first if say Jeudy is there at 10. especially if they can sign an OT in FA. Edited February 22, 2020 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 22 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: “Fudgie Footwork” you say? *Rex Ryan signs up to be at every Browns training camp* Wrecks for the footwork, Rob(bed) for the fudge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I believe he’s a good QB coach. His job is Baker because this is a make or break year for him and they need to know if they need to draft a QB in 2021. There isn’t anyone there who is tied to Baker anymore. So if he is bad, or immature, or doesn’t work hard in the offseason again, etc, they don’t really need to feel committed to him for that 4th year. They didn’t draft him. If he doesn’t improve - significantly - from last year, I think they won’t hesitate to trade him and move on. He has his work cut out for him too. 4th OC in 3 years, both top WRs had surgeries that will keep them out through most of the preseason if not all, learning a new offense, changing his footwork, and dealing with a lot of negativity around him in the media (which he’s accountable for btw). On the plus side, this offense is QB friendly and should put him in position to look good (a lot of play action, run heavy, with talent in that area). If they can improve the OL and get the defense back to form with Garrett back things could go well. But big question marks. I won’t be surprised if they take a WR in the first if say Jeudy is there at 10. especially if they can sign an OT in FA. I pretty well agree with all of that. The only exceptions are that: 1) I do not see the Browns moving on from Baker that quickly unless he is a disaster this season and 2) they need two starting OTs, not just one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Baker tired of being fat shamed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 On 2/21/2020 at 10:23 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Was it....softer than Peterman? Van Pelt did throw 10 INT in 6 games (3 starts) in 1997, but the max. per game was 3 I do think Mayfield is going to epitomize the joke about the "mule trained with loving kindness" to Van Pelt: "first, you gotta get his attention" no not as bad as peterman. and pills was a better qb as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 On 2/26/2020 at 11:21 AM, H2o said: Baker tired of being fat shamed Has anyone seen Josh Allen with his shirt off? He seems to favor loose baggy styles, just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderingsquid Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) Reminds me of Fudgie the Whale. Maybe Mayfield has had too many of these? Affects the feet? It's the same mold as the tie cake haha Edited March 5, 2020 by thunderingsquid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Has anyone seen Josh Allen with his shirt off? He seems to favor loose baggy styles, just sayin' Not sure, but based on that pic, Baker's fitness plan is definitely not working thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 34 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Not sure, but based on that pic, Baker's fitness plan is definitely not working thus far. No Lie, but unclear when said photo was taken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: No Lie, but unclear when said photo was taken Yeah. Could be old. I'm not in the business of ridiculing a guy for a less than stellar physique; I'm sure plenty of QB's have excelled without six packs. Just sayin; he stuck out like a sore thumb in that pic and not because of the "other" factor. Also somewhat ironic given that his new OC is Pill; (loved seeing him get a shot at the end of his time here FWIW, but not exactly a role model for someone trying to slim down). I don't care for Mayfield and he's not on the Bills so I have no rooting interest, but I think there's still a "decent" shot he develops into a quality starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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