Buffalo716 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Augie said: I think you need to accept that part of the reason for the move is to generate more income for the team. Yes, it will probably be more expensive in many cases. There will be a way to do it on a budget, but it will be harder not to share more cash with the Bills in some way. We have some close friends living in Jacksonville with 6-8 season tickets. Four of those seats are outdoors, but with access to a club area with free beer/wine and food (liquor is extra). That was where we did our “tailgating”. This is not steamed hot dogs, They have carving stations and I enjoyed the sautéed sea bass. Those tickets were $380 about 15-20 years ago, and that area was full. This is Jacksonville! It will not be cheaper, but there will be affordable options if you know what you’re doing. That’s just the way I see it. Time will tell. I still don't think it's set in stone it goes Downtown but it's totally possible.. and that is cool what they did in Jacksonville and would definitely make the experience better. 380 per game or for seasons back then? And I don't mind spending money on our Bills , they have been my favorite thing since I was an infant... As I'm sure you read in the thread I am advocating for the lower income families in Buffalo thats it The renovations 6-7 years ago was footed 75-80% by taxpayers If that happens again and the choice is between a 550 million dollar stadium in OP or 1 billion downtown the smart choice is the former @beerme1are you stalking me or something bro cus your on every one of my posts In this thread I don't need 10 notifications from you Edited February 13, 2020 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I still don't think it's set in stone it goes Downtown but it's totally possible.. and that is cool what they did in Jacksonville and would definitely make the experience better. 380 per game or for seasons back then? And I don't mind spending money on our Bills , they have been my favorite thing since I was an infant... As I'm sure you read in the thread I am advocating for the lower income families in Buffalo The renovations 6-7 years ago was footed 75-80% by taxpayers If that happens again and the choice is between a 550 million dollar stadium in OP or 1 billion downtown the smart choice is the former The $380 was the face value on the game day ticket he gave each of us to get in. He’s an insurance guy and does extremely well. I was his banker in the early days when he was just trying to get started. He laughed at the lengths I went to keep him afloat when he needed to keep rolling that note to buy his copier. Seems hysterical looking back. It was like $2,500 in 1988 dollars. Adjusted for inflation, he sharts more than than now! Great guy, he didn’t forget and our families were close. My wife worked with him too. That kind of invitation leads to TONS of business for him. He’s no fool, and that price was not ridiculous for sea bass, unlimited drinks and great seats. Now, will that work in WNY? . Edited February 13, 2020 by Augie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Augie said: The $380 was the face value on the game day ticket he gave each of us to get in. He’s an insurance guy and does extremely well. I was his banker in the early days when he was just trying to get started. He laughed at the lengths I went to keep him afloat when he needed to keep rolling that note to buy his copier. Seems hysterical now! Great guy, he didn’t forget and our families were close. My wife worked with him too. That kind of invitation leads to TONS of business for him. He’s no fool, and that price was not ridiculous for sea bass, unlimited drinks and great seats. Now, will that work in WNY? Idk but that sounds like a great time! And I wouldn't mind that! Idk if we have fresh sea bass readily available in Buffalo tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 39 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: If that happens again and the choice is between a 550 million dollar stadium in OP or 1 billion downtown the smart choice is the former @beerme1are you stalking me or something bro cus your on every one of my posts In this thread I don't need 10 notifications from you No dude. I just can 't believe how bad your takes are and how much your spewing them. It's beyond super trolling level. I disagree with so much of what you say and you say so much. I don't have the time to reply so a simple meh to most but not all of your posts seems to be shining a light on you being a super troll. I've lived in the city, a lot of us actually do and or have and take exception to so many of your repeated views. But you put them forth at rapid fire pace therefore super troll level and I can't keep up. I haven't commented on all of your posts because I actually do get some of your viewpoint's. But the veracity and repetitiveness of them leaves me with a simple, Meh. You must be trolling. Or you are Larry Quinn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, beerme1 said: No dude. I just can 't believe how bad your takes are and how much your spewing them. It's beyond super trolling level. I disagree with so much of what you say and you say so much. I don't have the time to reply so a simple meh to most but not all of your posts seems to be shining a light on you being a super troll. I've lived in the city, a lot of us actually do and or have and take exception to so many of your repeated views. But you put them forth at rapid fire pace therefore super troll level and I can't keep up. I haven't commented on all of your posts because I actually do get some of your viewpoint's. But the veracity and repetitiveness of them leaves me with a simple, Meh. You must be trolling. Or you are Larry Quinn. Everybody has opinions Troll? Everybody on this board knows I'm not a troll as a poster so that's laughable You don't like my take on this issue? It's your right But to call me out as a super troll is laughable when the community knows that isn't true I got like 10 meh reactions today and they were like all from you..ive been an everyday poster on this board for years and you just doubled my meh reactions! That's literally how little meh reactions I've had cus I'm not a troll Like dude, you don't like my opinion on the stadium , guess what I'm not the only one who thinks like that ... It's your opinion.. my family's been season ticket holders for 2 generations I can have an opinion And you take offense to my view of the city I love and lived in my whole life? It's a beautiful city that has a poverty problem.. I see you taking exception and this random buffalobills guy that I have never interacted with once in years. Not ALOT of people lol Buffalo is WAYY more than downtown or Allentown or Elmwood village... The east and west sides are impoverished and lots of other parts aren't good as well. The drug and gang problem is crazy, I have a house on the Eastside I know I'm not even knocking my city, that's why I never left but it's the truth that it's residents are struggling in a lot of places and statistics back it Sure Elmwood village and Allentown and North Buffalo are gorgeous and doing good economically but that isn't all of buffalo My POINT this whole time was taxpayers footed 75% of the last refurb .. if pegula foots 75% it can go anywhere and I will be happy.. if taxpayers are footing that 50-75% it needs to be economically feasible for all.. and a stadium in OP will probably be cheaper than one downtown... If it's not put it wherever he wants I think thats very reasonable and not outlandish at all.. and when I get quoted I usually respond so I'm sorry if you found me repetitive We should agree to disagree and leave it at that Edited February 13, 2020 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 9 hours ago, eanyills said: Re: Convention Center I know for a fact that the city put feelers out to local developers in regards to a new convention center. There was never an official RFP issued but a bigger and modernized convention center is on the city’s radar. Now, the city’s broke and I’m not sure how high up a new convention center is on the state’s priority list of things to help Buffalo out with considering the looming stadium issue and Metro Rail expansion but it’s definitely something local leadership is pursuing on some level. That said, there’s a lot of things that the city has and still is “pursuing” that never got off the ground. The city’s been sitting on the Mohawk Ramp RFP for like three years now so nothing comes quickly in this city. So I’m not saying it’s a good idea or that it’s going to ever happen, just that the city has previously expressed interest in getting a new convention center built. No doubt it is. Convention Centers are a Mayor's "go to" proposal when they need a signature project, promising all kinds of benefits for the locals from having a shiny new center. The problem, besides the obvious fact that Buffalo already has one, is that the US is oversaturated with new convention space square footage with a fixed amount of large events that would fill such spaces. So it comes down to cities competing with other cities for these types of events. There aren't enough events to go around and Buffalo will not be high on many lists. In fact, Buffalo isn't in the US top 50 destinations for conventions. There is no value so no point in building a new convention center. Proven waste of money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobillsfootball Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: No doubt it is. Convention Centers are a Mayor's "go to" proposal when they need a signature project, promising all kinds of benefits for the locals from having a shiny new center. The problem, besides the obvious fact that Buffalo already has one, is that the US is oversaturated with new convention space square footage with a fixed amount of large events that would fill such spaces. So it comes down to cities competing with other cities for these types of events. There aren't enough events to go around and Buffalo will not be high on many lists. In fact, Buffalo isn't in the US top 50 destinations for conventions. There is no value so no point in building a new convention center. Proven waste of money. Got it - convention centers are a waste of money. So what’s your beef with a downtown stadium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 17 hours ago, dneveu said: Some sort of transportation from other areas would be huge. Metro rail gets you like... 15-20 minute walk away - which isn't really ideal. Buses with traffic down there... ubers... some semblence of tailgaiting - its all tough. Good thing Pegulas have a strong relationship with local government. That's currently true. My point was to add a station at the stadium instead of turning them around at Michigan Ave. The Pegula's will be releasing their study soon. It will be interesting to see what they think the options are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: If Buffalo/Erie county wants a new convention center to add to the one they already have (and which is not fully booked), they are free to do so. It would still leave the stadium empty for the vast majority of the year....because there simply are not enough events that require a stadium venue. Stadiums don't "double as conventions centers" very often. At Lucas Oil, the convention center is a different but connected facility. So why would Pegula want to contribute to a convention center attached to his stadium---or have it linked at all to a handout for his stadium? The added cost would doom his request. Why would Erie/Buffalo/NYS want to pony up for another convention center AND a chunk of the stadium cost? To host a few more (smaller) convention events that the current convention center may be missing out on? This makes little sense. Also, "Dallas" and NYC (NJ?) didn't build those stadiums. The only way building a billion dollar dome downtown would make sense if Buffalo would get a piece of the big events by building such a place like the Super Bowl & the NCAA Final Four. Since those events are highly unlikely to ever consider Buffalo, spending this kind of coin on a new stadium makes little sense. Do a refurb of the Ralph for half the cost. & just for the record I have a friend who does some work for Pegula & he told me two years the stadium is going to be downtown where the Perry Projects are & it is going to be a dome. That is what Pegs want. I haven't talked to him in awhile so maybe plans have changed but he was pretty certain about it. Edited February 13, 2020 by Gordio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 I posted this in another thread but I should put it here. Just an observation (especially with the stadium cost talks), maybe it's time the the players and owners address chipping in to help fund where they work. 5 million each in concessions from the owners and players per team per year would go a long way in assuring teams could foot a large part of the bill. 32 teams placing 10 million a year into a stadium fund is 320M per year. Adding 1 million (10% of average 10 million cap increase) will quickly bring that number even higher. The league should be funding new stadiums by at least 50% IMO. FWIW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobillsfootball Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 And laughable - look what is in today's Buffalo News: Study recommends new $441M convention center on Delaware Avenue Link 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 1 minute ago, buffalobillsfootball said: And laughable - look what is in today's Buffalo News: Study recommends new $441M convention center on Delaware Avenue Link If they go the new stadium route, this will be part of it, it will be built as a Stadium and convention centre to help costs and get both things built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: If they go the new stadium route, this will be part of it, it will be built as a Stadium and convention centre to help costs and get both things built. With any luck there will not be any open dates for conventions during January's. Could be a problem for the convention folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 20 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: But that would mean the public would be on the hook for far more than just stadium money. They would have to build another convention center as well. In the end, they would have a massive financial commitment to an underbooked convention (2 of them now) center and part of a football stadium they would not own. That would be a very bad use of public funds. It has been proven over and over that financing stadiums and adding convention center square footage are horrible public investments. This would be the daily double of waste. Let Pegula build the stadium downtown...or wherever he wants. Maybe toss him a few exit ramps or whatnot if needed for access. But that's it. 1 hour ago, buffalobillsfootball said: Got it - convention centers are a waste of money. So what’s your beef with a downtown stadium? I don't have one. See the bolded above. 54 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: If they go the new stadium route, this will be part of it, it will be built as a Stadium and convention centre to help costs and get both things built. Sure---what better way to convince the legislature to fund a big chunk of one waste of taxpayer money when you can combine it with another, bigger waste of tax payer money? Makes sense!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Gordio said: The only way building a billion dollar dome downtown would make sense if Buffalo would get a piece of the big events by building such a place like the Super Bowl & the NCAA Final Four. Since those events are highly unlikely to ever consider Buffalo, spending this kind of coin on a new stadium makes little sense. Do a refurb of the Ralph for half the cost. & just for the record I have a friend who does some work for Pegula & he told me two years the stadium is going to be downtown where the Perry Projects are & it is going to be a dome. That is what Pegs want. I haven't talked to him in awhile so maybe plans have changed but he was pretty certain about it. A refurb is putting lipstick on a pig. A new stadium brings higher revenues which is what the NFL and the Bills would like. Ticket prices could easily double with a new stadium. If they move downtown, they limit tailgating to Bills owned lots and limits the table slamming and ketchup dousing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: That's currently true. My point was to add a station at the stadium instead of turning them around at Michigan Ave. The Pegula's will be releasing their study soon. It will be interesting to see what they think the options are. I believe when the Pegula's have a press conference to talk stadium it will be to tell us what they are doing, not the options. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, purple haze said: I believe when the Pegula's have a press conference to talk stadium it will be to tell us what they are doing, not the options. You bring up a good observation. Will the Pegula's show all the options and give their preferred plan OR say this is it (take it or leave it)? If I was still a taxpayer in Erie County I would like to have a say in it but that's just me. There seems to be a lot of options. Refurbish New Era, build another in OP, build downtown, build somewhere else, domed or open. All will have pros and cons but once again your point is interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 On 2/8/2020 at 2:40 PM, JustWinPlease said: They need a new stadium and it needs to be put downtown. #BuffaloRising #BuffaLOVE #OneBuffalo #Rebirth #AtAnyCost 6 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: You bring up a good observation. Will the Pegula's show all the options and give their preferred plan OR say this is it (take it or leave it)? If I was still a taxpayer in Erie County I would like to have a say in it but that's just me. that’s just crazy talk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 28 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said: A refurb is putting lipstick on a pig. A new stadium brings higher revenues which is what the NFL and the Bills would like. Ticket prices could easily double with a new stadium. If they move downtown, they limit tailgating to Bills owned lots and limits the table slamming and ketchup dousing. I keep hearing how revenues will double with a new Stadium but how? You think it is going be an easy sell for lower bowl tickets to be priced well over $200 in the new stadium. That maybe the case for a year or two until the novelty wore off. Like I said, I doubt people would be willing to pay double the price of a ticket just because we have a stadium downtown & I highly doubt corporations around here are going to be willing to pony up double the price for suites. I just don't see it happening. I think it is a really flawed way of thinking. You need to know your market. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 19 minutes ago, RiotAct said: #BuffaloRising #BuffaLOVE #OneBuffalo #Rebirth #AtAnyCost that’s just crazy talk LOL. I forget how different things are here in the wild wild west. We vote on all tax increases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobillsfootball Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, Gordio said: I keep hearing how revenues will double with a new Stadium but how? You think it is going be an easy sell for lower bowl tickets to be priced well over $200 in the new stadium. That maybe the case for a year or two until the novelty wore off. Like I said, I doubt people would be willing to pay double the price of a ticket just because we have a stadium downtown & I highly doubt corporations around here are going to be willing to pony up double the price for suites. I just don't see it happening. I think it is a really flawed way of thinking. You need to know your market. You’re dreaming if you don’t think prices in a renovated stadium will go up substantially, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Gordio said: I keep hearing how revenues will double with a new Stadium but how? You think it is going be an easy sell for lower bowl tickets to be priced well over $200 in the new stadium. That maybe the case for a year or two until the novelty wore off. Like I said, I doubt people would be willing to pay double the price of a ticket just because we have a stadium downtown & I highly doubt corporations around here are going to be willing to pony up double the price for suites. I just don't see it happening. I think it is a really flawed way of thinking. You need to know your market. I have a feeling that quite a number of the big spenders will come from outside of Buffalo so access will be important. Not creating something that will be a turn off to the big money will be important. OP is a known quantity as far as travel and accommodations go so I don't see much consumer resistance if a new stadium went there. People here are talking up rail and buses like it will be widely accepted but having your vehicle no more than five minutes away by foot is the WNY that I have always known so that would be important in my mind. Edited February 13, 2020 by RochesterRob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobillsfootball Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: I have a feeling that quite a number of the big spenders will come from outside of Buffalo so access will be important. Not creating something that will be a turn off to the big money will be important. OP is a known quantity as far as travel and accommodations go so I don't see much consumer resistance if a new stadium went there. People here are talking up rail and buses like it will be widely accepted but having your vehicle no more than five minutes away by foot is the WNY that I have always known so that would be important in my mind. People adapt.... and thankfully, typical Buffalo is dying off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, buffalobillsfootball said: People adapt... Or be ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobillsfootball Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Lurker said: Or be ignored. ya ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 40 minutes ago, Gordio said: I keep hearing how revenues will double with a new Stadium but how? You think it is going be an easy sell for lower bowl tickets to be priced well over $200 in the new stadium. That maybe the case for a year or two until the novelty wore off. Like I said, I doubt people would be willing to pay double the price of a ticket just because we have a stadium downtown & I highly doubt corporations around here are going to be willing to pony up double the price for suites. I just don't see it happening. I think it is a really flawed way of thinking. You need to know your market. They know the market, it's one that financially is not one that can support the current NFL. If Buffalo didn't have the Bills, would anyone seriously believe the NFL would be interested in granting them an expansion team? If the market cannot support paying average NFL ticket prices, and there's no corporations willing to pay market value prices for boxes/suites, then the area can't support the NFL. It's why they tried to expand the market to play games in Toronto, if Buffalo could get support from Toronto, it could bring in some of the money from there to help out 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: sure---what better way to convince the legislature to fund a big chunk of one waste of taxpayer money when you can combine it with another, bigger waste of tax payer money? Makes sense!! Well, if they really need and want both, building both together is going to be alot more affordable then doing them separate and would keep the total cost down on the project. It's easier for everyone to digest spending a $billion if they get a convention centre and stadium, instead of saying $800 million for a stadium and $500 million for a convention centre (and I am just using those numbers as examples, they will most likely be different) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 22 minutes ago, buffalobillsfootball said: People adapt.... and thankfully, typical Buffalo is dying off. The peasants, yes. The big spenders who are paying thousands per game not so much. The NFL is trying to attract the big money and is not concerned about what the serfs might do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobillsfootball Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: The peasants, yes. The big spenders who are paying thousands per game not so much. The NFL is trying to attract the big money and is not concerned about what the serfs might do. And the BIGGEST spenders are in Southern Ontario. You spend a BILLION in downtown Buffalo to attract more corporate money - or you stay in Orchard Park and appease the table surfers and ketchup squirters. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 11 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: They know the market, it's one that financially is not one that can support the current NFL. If Buffalo didn't have the Bills, would anyone seriously believe the NFL would be interested in granting them an expansion team? If the market cannot support paying average NFL ticket prices, and there's no corporations willing to pay market value prices for boxes/suites, then the area can't support the NFL. It's why they tried to expand the market to play games in Toronto, if Buffalo could get support from Toronto, it could bring in some of the money from there to help out Well, if they really need and want both, building both together is going to be alot more affordable then doing them separate and would keep the total cost down on the project. It's easier for everyone to digest spending a $billion if they get a convention centre and stadium, instead of saying $800 million for a stadium and $500 million for a convention centre (and I am just using those numbers as examples, they will most likely be different) The whole idea of a big upgrade for New Era or a new facility is to tap into new revenue streams. No, you are not going to extract double the seat value drawing from Erie County alone. The NFL and the Pegula's want to draw from much farther away from places such as Toronto, Rochester, and Syracuse to name a few places and they are targeting the top income brackets in those places. That is the only way a new 60-65K seat facility is going to work in terms of revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, buffalobillsfootball said: And the BIGGEST spenders are in Southern Ontario. You spend a BILLION in downtown Buffalo to attract more corporate money - or you stay in Orchard Park and appease the table surfers and ketchup squirters. You talk about a billion dollars as though it was found change in your sofa. The Pegula's probably could source a billion dollars rather readily over a few months but the NFL wants them to play the ransom game in terms if the public does not want to pay then the team will get moved at some point. Give me a realistic public financing plan versus saying the Mayor of Buffalo, Erie County Executive, and the Governor of NY GOTTA pony up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 13 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: The whole idea of a big upgrade for New Era or a new facility is to tap into new revenue streams. No, you are not going to extract double the seat value drawing from Erie County alone. The NFL and the Pegula's want to draw from much farther away from places such as Toronto, Rochester, and Syracuse to name a few places and they are targeting the top income brackets in those places. That is the only way a new 60-65K seat facility is going to work in terms of revenue. What's awesome about the Bills wanting to draw from Rochester is the fact they probably will move training camp as soon as the contract expires smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 13 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: The whole idea of a big upgrade for New Era or a new facility is to tap into new revenue streams. No, you are not going to extract double the seat value drawing from Erie County alone. The NFL and the Pegula's want to draw from much farther away from places such as Toronto, Rochester, and Syracuse to name a few places and they are targeting the top income brackets in those places. That is the only way a new 60-65K seat facility is going to work in terms of revenue. The Bills have been successfully tapping into those areas for twenty years. Is there that much more to be tapped, corporate wise, that hasn’t already been? Has that much more new big corporate money moved into those areas? I honestly don’t know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, corta765 said: What's awesome about the Bills wanting to draw from Rochester is the fact they probably will move training camp as soon as the contract expires smh I don't know what the Pegula's have in mind for a new camp location. It has been said that the NFL is trending towards having camp at a team's home facility. That might be more efficient and a better sell to new players who bring family with them to their new NFL city. Anyways, the Pegula's could bring it back to OP, stay at SJF, go south of Buffalo, go into NF, go across the river into Ontario Province among the possibilities. Each location has its merits and drawbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 combine with a new convention center 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, K-9 said: The Bills have been successfully tapping into those areas for twenty years. Is there that much more to be tapped, corporate wise, that hasn’t already been? Has that much more new big corporate money moved into those areas? I honestly don’t know. It's been said that while Ralph owned the team that the general uncertainty of the team's future was a roadblock in terms of getting a substantial amount of that money to commit. The mediocre seasons also did not help. I would guess that most of the tapping for the last 30 years has been into a moderate income level for those areas. Anyways, I would bet that the Pegula's have researched what is out there yet to be gotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobillsfootball Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: You talk about a billion dollars as though it was found change in your sofa. The Pegula's probably could source a billion dollars rather readily over a few months but the NFL wants them to play the ransom game in terms if the public does not want to pay then the team will get moved at some point. Give me a realistic public financing plan versus saying the Mayor of Buffalo, Erie County Executive, and the Governor of NY GOTTA pony up. Pegula's SHOULD pay for most of the new stadium... With that said, look no further from the New York Power Authority - a literal cash cow in our backyard taking in a TON of money. They helped with the build out of Canal Side and they should help secure the future of the Buffalo Bills in our own backyard. I would even advocate that the Public Bridge Authority should throw in some funds from that cash cow, too. I also bet you will see other private developers (aka Delaware North who alluded they were conflicted buying the Bills but would be interested in a partnership with a new stadium.) It's going to take a creative public-private investment to make a reno or new build work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, buffalobillsfootball said: Pegula's SHOULD pay for most of the new stadium... With that said, look no further from the New York Power Authority - a literal cash cow in our backyard taking in a TON of money. They helped with the build out of Canal Side and they should help secure the future of the Buffalo Bills in our own backyard. I would even advocate that the Public Bridge Authority should throw in some funds from that cash cow, too. I also bet you will see other private developers (aka Delaware North who alluded they were conflicted buying the Bills but would be interested in a partnership with a new stadium.) It's going to take a creative public-private investment to make a reno or new build work. Don't know much about either NYPA or the PBA but what kind of money are you talking about and why don't we see talk about this outside of this forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobillsfootball Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 1 minute ago, RochesterRob said: Don't know much about either NYPA or the PBA but what kind of money are you talking about and why don't we see talk about this outside of this forum? You think the Pegula's are going to announce anything that is half baked? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 1 minute ago, buffalobillsfootball said: You think the Pegula's are going to announce anything that is half baked? I'm thinking more along the lines that somebody like the Erie County Exec or leading state senator or power broker regional congress person merely suggesting a dialog take place in terms of exploring what is possible. Nobody is saying that the Pegula's should spout off without talking to a key player in such a move first. Heck, the kickoff could come in terms of a column put out by a respected (there's a laugh) member of the area media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) There can be no significant renovation of the current stadium because it's half-buried in the ground and the foundations are set. They want wider concourses at the 100 level. That will not happen with a renovation. It would cost as much if not more to renovate than build new. Never mind the ticket pricing issue for a stadium that's basically the same as the old one. Edited February 13, 2020 by PromoTheRobot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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