Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Just now, Chris farley said: But fauchi and the usual voices already said we were not funding gain of function research in labs outside our country after the obama law to make it illigal to do gain of function inside this country. and... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 25 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: and if it is confirmed that there was a Chinese lab leak, what is to be done about it? war with China? “What difference at this point does it make?” -HRC and Redhawk 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: “What difference at this point does it make?” -HRC and Redhawk No, I asked for discussion. What is to be done if this is proven? I'm interested in your answers. I'm sure Tucker will have some ideas tonite in his oxford shirt and club tie.. why wait? formulate your own. Edited February 27, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 1 minute ago, redtail hawk said: No, I asked for discussion. What is to be done if this is proven? I'm interested in your answers. I'm sure Tucker will have some ideas tonite. I don’t know. It’s a rather sticky situation. What are your thoughts other than war? How about more of those “crippling sanctions” we heard so much about in another context a year ago? Maybe Maddow and Hayes will have some ideas tonight. We will likely never know as their audiences are a bit on the small side. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) This entire narrative sure makes the last years of the DEMS not wanting to investigate the source of the virus, kinda sus.. Same with the dem supporters and their mouthpieces attacking any narrative other than the WHO/leaked from a wet market story.. Edited February 27, 2023 by Chris farley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: I don’t know. It’s a rather sticky situation. What are your thoughts other than war? How about more of those “crippling sanctions” we heard so much about in another context a year ago? Maybe Maddow and Hayes will have some ideas tonight. We will likely never know as their audiences are a bit on the small side. yeah, i think sanctions would be appropriate altho possibly counterproductive given the whole/hole China/Russian thing. provoking them for symbolic reasons might be counterproductive. It's 3D chess and I'm glad experienced diplomats are going to handle it. Edited February 27, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Just now, redtail hawk said: yeah, i think sanctions would be appropriate altho possibly counterproductive give the whole/hole China/Russian thing. Yeah. cause Ukraine is so important a biowarfare attack/leak that killed tens of millions needs to stay on the back burner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Chris farley said: Yeah. cause Ukraine is so important a biowarfare attack/leak that killed tens of millions needs to stay on the back burner. so what do you propose? just like the right, no answers...I'd love to pay them back for my lingering symptoms but how (assuming a lab leak is conclusively found to be the source)? 8 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: Maybe Maddow and Hayes will have some ideas tonight. We will likely never know as their audiences are a bit on the small side. I won't be watching either. I think my opinions are as valid as any they might have. Edited February 27, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 48 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: few care about your confidence. I know I don't. I expected nothing less from you. You don't seem at all curious or interested in challenging or questioning any official narrative. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 8 minutes ago, Chris farley said: But fauchi and the usual voices already said we were not funding gain of function research in labs outside our country after the obama law to make it illigal to do gain of function inside this country. He was playing semantics with Paul when testifying, it was easy to find a few years ago, the actual grant to fund study of bat originated coronaviruses eventual transmission to humans in wuhan. he doubled his household net worth to over 12 million during the pandemic. not bad for another bureaucrat lifer. The guy is corrupt AF should rot in jail. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 1 minute ago, All_Pro_Bills said: I expected nothing less from you. You don't seem at all curious or interested in challenging or questioning any official narrative. what should be done, Ace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 IF ford build cars in a china plant, and they blew up on the roads. is the liability on china, or ford. Imagine every country has the same question as covid hurt every country. Including China. they got their arses handed to them by covid. Trying to come to a conclusion with these gaps in info just creates more questions. we need questions answered. and would pretty much ignore anything from the WHO . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Chris farley said: Yeah. cause Ukraine is so important a biowarfare attack/leak that killed tens of millions needs to stay on the back burner. wait, I thought your side feels the whole/hole Covid thing was overblown...just a way to remove freedoms. amiright? Edited February 27, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, redtail hawk said: what should be done, Ace? In the spirit of science and the pursuit of the truth, allow scientists, medical professionals, and researchers that are critics, skeptics, supporters, and proponents of various origin theories and conclusions the opportunity to present their case studies, evidence, and research to their peers in an open, public dialogue, and setting free from judgement, suppression, censorship. and politics. But the people running the show prefer to set the narrative and bash and threaten anyone that disagrees. And before a consensus truth can be agreed to free from politics these folks need to be removed or rendered powerless. Edited February 27, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 10 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: In the spirit of science and the pursuit of the truth, allow scientists, medical professionals, and researchers that are critics, skeptics, supporters, and proponents of various origin theories and conclusions the opportunity to present their case studies, evidence, and research to their peers in an open, public dialogue, and setting free from judgement, suppression, censorship. and politics. But the people running the show prefer to set the narrative and bash and threaten anyone that disagrees. And before a consensus truth can be agreed to free from politics these folks need to be removed or rendered powerless. In other words lets follow the science by doing everything anti-science. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: 1 hour ago, redtail hawk said: In the spirit of science and the pursuit of the truth, allow scientists, medical professionals, and researchers that are critics, skeptics, supporters, and proponents of various origin theories and conclusions the opportunity to present their case studies, evidence, and research to their peers in an open, public dialogue, and setting free from judgement, suppression, censorship. and politics. agree to here. the conspiracy stuff is just that. i remember trump silencing gov't scientists. It was bigly bad. Edited February 27, 2023 by redtail hawk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said: I expected nothing less from you. You don't seem at all curious or interested in challenging or questioning any official narrative. Yup. They were told what to think and that's all that matters. Even after what they were told was proven to be false. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Liar Fauci and Demented Biden should be jailed and tried for murder. What a mess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 🎯 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 5 hours ago, B-Man said: 100% What a mess. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 12 hours ago, redtail hawk said: you all must have missed this part (from NBC news): WASHINGTON — The Energy Department concluded with "low confidence" that the Covid-19 pandemic "likely" originated from a laboratory leak in Wuhan, China, according to a classified report delivered to key lawmakers on the House and Senate Intelligence committees, two sources with direct knowledge told NBC News. Key lawmakers on the intelligence committees were briefed last month by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence about the classified report, the sources said. The news was first reported Sunday by The Wall Street Journal. However, a source cautioned that the Energy Department's conclusion was not being viewed as hugely significant among the intelligence community because of interagency disagreements about Covid’s origins. hmmm, wonder why that was mentioned here. Our Democrat/Uni Party politicians far more concerned with the mass trespassing event of January 6 then to figure out why we were lied to by the WHO and China then shutdown the world. The mass trespassing event doesn’t happen if that wu-coup doesn’t happen. And why are we afraid of China? I was told last week their military pales in comparison to ours because it spends so much less on defense then we do. It’s almost like everyone knows everyone’s numbers are a lie. Like Covid deaths! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 So Fauci unleashed a virus that killed millions of people? Surely he will be prosecuted, right? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 The furring cleavage site was cited almost 3 years ago when the virus was first sequenced but ignored. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Wacka said: the furring cleavage site ok, this is funny stuff Edited February 28, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) It's having a sprained wrist for several days. Or it's the lousy autocorrect/ spell checker. Or both. It was supposed to be Furin. The spell checker changed it to Turin as I was typing this. Edited February 28, 2023 by Wacka 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 If Trump said it, the Dems had to claim the opposite. Even medical professionals who should know better. Sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doc Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 It's mostly people not wanting to admit they were wrong/duped. Show me the animal reservoir for Wuhan virus. Until then...it came from the lab. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) Whatever that “something new” is, it’s probably extremely significant; Z Division doesn’t change its mind willy-nilly or on a vague hunch. (from Jim Geraghty, whoever he is). Wouldn't it be good to know what the "something new" is before we put our eggs in that basket? 1 hour ago, Doc said: It's mostly people not wanting to admit they were wrong/duped. Show me the animal reservoir for Wuhan virus. Until then...it came from the lab. yes, this is just how well trained scientists and clinicians reason, NOT Edited February 28, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 19 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: yes, this is just how well trained scientists and clinicians reason, NOT Yes, better to base your opinions on the opposite of what some guy said. Which makes you a partisan sheep or simple. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: yes, this is just how well trained scientists and clinicians reason, NOT Nobody has produced any smoking gun evidence of this coronavirus in animals occurring in nature, So the natural origin theory that some unknown animal transmitted the virus to humans is no more supported by evidence than the lab origin theory. What the lab leak theory has going for it is proximity of the lab and ground zero being just down the street. Along with mutations that many virologists have concluded are nearly impossible to occur naturally. No objective scientist or investigators would just dismiss that as coincidence. Add to the story the Chinese government inexplicably plowed under the market where it occurred in what can only be an effort to destroy evidence or prevent any forensic investigation and you get people wondering. Edited February 28, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Along with mutations that many virologists have concluded are nearly impossible to occur naturally please link sources. Most virologist DO believe they did occur naturally. The IC (Intelligence Community) report cites them. The rest is circumstantial evidence. MER's covid virus is quite similar and there is overwhelming consensus that it occurred naturally. There are other Coronaviruses that follow a similar mutation path. If the energy dept has new info on which to base their low confidence judgement, it should release it. Edited February 28, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 10 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: please link sources. Most virologist DO believe they did occur naturally. The IC (Intelligence Community) report cites them. The rest is circumstantial evidence. MER's covid virus is quite similar and there is overwhelming consensus that it occurred naturally. There are other Coronaviruses that follow a similar mutation path. If the energy dept has new info on which to base their low confidence judgement, it should release it. did the FBI ever release info on how they got their medium confidence judgement? how about that "Consensus" IT sounds like you support the house investigation into this? to get more answers? Consensus is like saying settled science. doesnt carry much weight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 6 hours ago, BillsFanNC said: Thanks for this information. In related news about the size and scope of the government in general, let’s stay tuned for a report from the IRS Department of Infectious Diseases and the General Services Agency Associate Chair on Chinese Virology. We get those, keep a good thought that the NYS DMV weighs in, we can get to the bottom of all this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 LLNL in Livermore, CA is a serious place. I lived in the next town and was in biotech an I knew they had a biotech division there. That facility has the fusion ignition facility located there too. I know a few physicists who work or worked there. Our company had a few optical people ( we were into imagining in biological systems)that came from there. A friend who is a surveyor had to survey a small pier ce of the land inside the fence there. The outdoor basketball court s(for employees to play at lunch or after work) had wires criss-crossing overhead. When he asked, they said to stop helicopters from landing. He had to go inside to use the bathroom and have lunch in the cafeteria. He had to be escorted everywhere and have someone announce "civilian" when he went down a new hall or into any room (even the bathroom). 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, Chris farley said: did the FBI ever release info on how they got their medium confidence judgement? how about that "Consensus" IT sounds like you support the house investigation into this? to get more answers? Consensus is like saying settled science. doesnt carry much weight. https://nypost.com/2023/02/28/fauci-says-we-may-never-know-origin-of-covid-despite-report/ The Fauc sounds very, very mostly probably not at all unconfident that the virus may or may not have been the result of a lab leak. He used the scientific “shiny object” standard with his peers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 The lab leak theory allows for the virus to have occurred naturally. Is it the possible genetic engineering aspect that has some spooked? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 This is an interesting opinion piece on the current state of western medicine. I think there may be application here. Physician, heal thyself? https://americanmind.org/salvo/the-profession-formerly-known-as-medicine/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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