The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Tommy Callahan]

15 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

quick search revealed this

Psychological distress, including depression, anxiety, worry, perceived stress, and loneliness, before COVID-19 infection was associated with an increased risk of long COVID, according to researchers at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

So the mob and forces pushing the pandemic panic increased long covid?  its more of a physical side effect to mental health stress?

 

 

[Doc]

4 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

There are studies that suggest that things like depression, stress etc. can impair immune function. So they can cite those and get away with the claim.

 

However, I still don't think an otherwise healthy 20 year old with depression needs to be vaccinated.

 

So can stress.  Do we vaccinate everybody who feels stressed?

[BillsFanNC]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

So can stress.  Do we vaccinate everybody who feels stressed?

 

That's what I said. Stress. And no I said I wouldn't recommend vaccinating otherwise healthy young people because of depression or stress alone.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

5 hours ago, Chris farley said:

So the mob and forces pushing the pandemic panic increased long covid?  its more of a physical side effect to mental health stress?

 

 

I suspect it's due to people with those conditions being in generally poor health.  Also, probably some immune modulation with them  Not gonna be doing a lot of exercise when you're contemplating slitting your wrists...

Edited February 21, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Tommy Callahan]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

So can stress.  Do we vaccinate everybody who feels stressed?

Dont give them any Ideas.

 

1 minute ago, redtail hawk said:

I suspect it's due to people with those conditions being in generally poor health.  Also, probably some immune modulation with them  Not gonna be doing a lot of exercise when you're contemplating slitting your wrists...

that's probably fact. 

 

so is the fact that stress alone can cause physical symptoms.

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

20 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

Dont give them any Ideas.

 

that's probably fact. 

 

so is the fact that stress alone can cause physical symptoms.

 

 

voila:  https://www.hindawi.com/journals/tswj/2014/652630/  postpartum but what the hell.

reminds me of a med school classmate who asked a distinguished visiting Ob/gyn "does that apply to primaveras (prima gravida's was meant).  Guy was not amused.  We laughed the entire rest of the lecture. I'm thinking it was before lunch.

Edited February 21, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Tommy Callahan]

27 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

voila:  https://www.hindawi.com/journals/tswj/2014/652630/  postpartum but what the hell.

reminds me of a med school classmate who asked a distinguished visiting Ob/gyn "does that apply to primaveras (prima gravida's was meant).  Guy was not amused.  We laughed the entire rest of the lecture.

Thats an interesting read.  cytokines tend to drive/run parallel to cortisol levels.  

 

And cortisol drives inflammation.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

[dpberr]

Seeing James O'Keefe getting forced out of Project Veritas for their episode on Pfizer tells you a couple things.

 

Pfizer is protected by the uniparty.

The information in that "episode" was likely 100% correct which is why it was A) buried in the media cycle and B) steps taken to prevent future curious inquires into Pfizer.

 

Back to regularly scheduled programming on partisan politic stories.  

[Joe Ferguson forever]

33 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

Thats an interesting read.  cytokines tend to drive/run parallel to cortisol levels.  

 

And cortisol drives inflammation.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

almost.  adrenals respond with cortisol to stress (meaning acute illness, surgery, hypothermia etc).  sick peoiple who've been on steroids have that response blunted that's why they need pre op steroid bursts, right @Doc? cortisol reduces inflammation - ever been given prednisone for bad poison ivy? I think I need a part time job.  Miss this stuff.  
 

Edited February 21, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Doc]

13 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

almost.  adrenals respond with cortisol to stress (meaning acute illness, surgery, hypothermia etc).  sick peoiple who've been on steroids have that response blunted that's why they need pre op steroid bursts, right @Doc?  I think I need a part time job.  Miss this stuff. 

 

Yes some need it depending on how much prednisone they are taking and the type of surgery (minor versus major). 

[B-Man]

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

In Boston, COVID is now anti-racist

 

 

Yesterday, the Boston Globe published one of its periodic reminders that everyone should still be afraid because COVID is still out there and it’s still killing people. But citing a new study from Boston University’s School of Public Health, there has been a demographic shift in COVID deaths across Massachusetts over the past year. During the surge in Omicron variant infections at the beginning of 2022, Black and Hispanic patients were dying at rates higher than white patients. Now, however, white people in the Bay State are dying from the ‘Rona at measurably higher rates than minorities. So how did that happen?

 

You might be wondering why we need to be tracking COVID deaths based on skin color, but shut up, racist.

 

In all seriousness, though, the study does raise some interesting questions. Last March, Hispanic patients were 1.5 times more likely to die from COVID than white patients, while Black patients were 1.3 times more likely to pass away. That’s a small, but statistically meaningful difference. Curiously, COVID deaths among Asian patients were far lower than any other category over the entire course of the pandemic.

 

In recent months, however, the numbers have flipped. The COVID death rate among Black patients is just two-thirds that of white patients. Hispanic patients are dying at three-quarters the rate of whites. To my knowledge, there has never been a single study suggesting that there is some inherent, genetic difference between the races making one more or less likely to die from the disease, so something else must be going on. The virus did not suddenly sign up for some sort of cultural awareness program.

 

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2023/02/21/in-boston-covid-is-now-anti-racist-n532153

 

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[JDHillFan]

 

[BillsFanNC]

This Stanford epidemiologist has been "discredited" dontcha know. 

 

@redtail hawk said so.

 

 

 

[Doc]

3 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

This Stanford epidemiologist has been "discredited" dontcha know. 

 

@redtail hawk said so.

 

 

 

 

It's amazing how many otherwise intelligence medical professionals let politics overrule their judgment. 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[RiotAct]

Damn conspiracy theorist Trump-Lovers, ruining EVERYTHING!!!!!!!

[JDHillFan]

 

And the redhawks, chigeese, and tibs of world were all on board and none of them will ever consider the wrongs that have been done. 

[Doc]

41 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

 

And the redhawks, chigeese, and tibs of world were all on board and none of them will ever consider the wrongs that have been done. 

 

Did redtail hawk ever say it wasn't from the lab?  The others I can see. 

[BillsFanNC]

2 hours ago, JDHillFan said:

 

And the redhawks, chigeese, and tibs of world were all on board and none of them will ever consider the wrongs that have been done. 

 

And not a one can tell you what a furin cleavage site is.

[Big Blitz]

I don’t even know anymore 

 

 

[PetermansRedemption]

6 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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3 years ago this would have got you censored and damn near thrown in jail. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

In case you don’t trust twitter 

 

The Energy Department has concluded that the Covid pandemic most likely arose from a lab leak, according to a classified intelligence report

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a

[BillsFanNC]

48 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

In case you don’t trust twitter 

 

The Energy Department has concluded that the Covid pandemic most likely arose from a lab leak, according to a classified intelligence report

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a

 

You mean it just might not be a conspiracy theory when a novel virus containing a furin cleavage site in its genome, something previously never known to exist in nature, turns up in a city with a virology lab known to be working on engineering novel coronaviruses?

 

That's crazy talk!

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

10 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

You mean it just might not be a conspiracy theory when a novel virus containing a furin cleavage site in its genome, something previously never known to exist in nature, turns up in a city with a virology lab known to be working on engineering novel coronaviruses?

 

That's crazy talk!

 

 

Damn you science deniers!  And how a virus alleged to originate naturally in bats somehow developed the ability to infect humans more efficiently than bats without any previous contact with the human genome.  Just plain old coincidence.  One thing the report doesn't say is why they all lied about it for over 3 years when it was the obvious source.  They know the location of the lab, the type of research, and how it was funded.  Time for some confessions and jail time.        

[Joe Ferguson forever]

you all must have missed this part (from NBC news):  

WASHINGTON — The Energy Department concluded with "low confidence" that the Covid-19 pandemic "likely" originated from a laboratory leak in Wuhan, China, according to a classified report delivered to key lawmakers on the House and Senate Intelligence committees, two sources with direct knowledge told NBC News.

Key lawmakers on the intelligence committees were briefed last month by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence about the classified report, the sources said.

The news was first reported Sunday by The Wall Street Journal.

However, a source cautioned that the Energy Department's conclusion was not being viewed as hugely significant among the intelligence community because of interagency disagreements about Covid’s origins. 

 

hmmm, wonder why that was mentioned here.

 

Edited February 27, 2023 by redtail hawk

[All_Pro_Bills]

11 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

you all must have missed this part (from NBC news):  

WASHINGTON — The Energy Department concluded with "low confidence" that the Covid-19 pandemic "likely" originated from a laboratory leak in Wuhan, China, according to a classified report delivered to key lawmakers on the House and Senate Intelligence committees, two sources with direct knowledge told NBC News.

Key lawmakers on the intelligence committees were briefed last month by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence about the classified report, the sources said.

The news was first reported Sunday by The Wall Street Journal.

However, a source cautioned that the Energy Department's conclusion was not being viewed as hugely significant among the intelligence community because of interagency disagreements about Covid’s origins. 

 

hmmm, wonder why that was mentioned here.

 

My confidence is pretty high.  A virus outbreak occurs down the street from a bio lab performing gain of function research on the exact virus.    

 

When it comes to "classified" briefings how does the network knows what's in a classified report?  In this case those "two sources" should be arrested.  

[Joe Ferguson forever]

14 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

My confidence is pretty high.  A virus outbreak occurs down the street from a bio lab performing gain of function research on the exact virus.    

 

When it comes to "classified" briefings how does the network knows what's in a classified report?  In this case those "two sources" should be arrested.  

few care about your confidence.   I know I don't.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

32 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

you all must have missed this part (from NBC news):  

WASHINGTON — The Energy Department concluded with "low confidence" that the Covid-19 pandemic "likely" originated from a laboratory leak in Wuhan, China, according to a classified report delivered to key lawmakers on the House and Senate Intelligence committees, two sources with direct knowledge told NBC News.

Key lawmakers on the intelligence committees were briefed last month by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence about the classified report, the sources said.

The news was first reported Sunday by The Wall Street Journal.

However, a source cautioned that the Energy Department's conclusion was not being viewed as hugely significant among the intelligence community because of interagency disagreements about Covid’s origins. 

 

hmmm, wonder why that was mentioned here.

 

It’s important to know what that designation means in context.   The FBI is said to have moderate confidence in the lab leak theory.  I’ve read several articles that suggest the difficulty in truly assessing the root cause lies in the refusal of the Chinese government to cooperate with the investigators and allow full transparency into the origin of the virus.  Meanwhile, the US government has ties to the research done in China, Fauci downplayed the lab leak theory, the vampire bat theory goes mainstream and the politicization of the virus was off with a full-throated roar. 
 

What we can say is the evolution of the conversation reveals that those skeptical of believing The Narrative were on the right side of the ledger, and you trust “leadership” blindly at your own peril.  
 

For me, the rather obvious disinterest in certain quarters of really getting to the bottom of this whole thing is the biggest issue of all. 
 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisadellatto/2023/02/26/timeline-how-the-covid-lab-leak-origin-story-went-from-conspiracy-theory-to-government-debate/?sh=4d21f19f37b9

 

[OrangeBills]

51 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

you all must have missed this part (from NBC news):  

WASHINGTON — The Energy Department concluded with "low confidence" that the Covid-19 pandemic "likely" originated from a laboratory leak in Wuhan, China, according to a classified report delivered to key lawmakers on the House and Senate Intelligence committees, two sources with direct knowledge told NBC News.

Key lawmakers on the intelligence committees were briefed last month by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence about the classified report, the sources said.

The news was first reported Sunday by The Wall Street Journal.

However, a source cautioned that the Energy Department's conclusion was not being viewed as hugely significant among the intelligence community because of interagency disagreements about Covid’s origins. 

 

hmmm, wonder why that was mentioned here.

 

 

This "confusion" and "low confidence" just makes our "Intelligence Agencies" and Leftist believers look all the more moronic every day to our enemies and anybody with a semblance of a brain

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

It’s important to know what that designation means in context.   The FBI is said to have moderate confidence in the lab leak theory.  I’ve read several articles that suggest the difficulty in truly assessing the root cause lies in the refusal of the Chinese government to cooperate with the investigators and allow full transparency into the origin of the virus.  Meanwhile, the US government has ties to the research done in China, Fauci downplayed the lab leak theory, the vampire bat theory goes mainstream and the politicization of the virus was off with a full-throated roar. 
 

What we can say is the evolution of the conversation reveals that those skeptical of believing The Narrative were on the right side of the ledger, and you trust “leadership” blindly at your own peril.  
 

For me, the rather obvious disinterest in certain quarters of really getting to the bottom of this whole thing is the biggest issue of all. 
 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisadellatto/2023/02/26/timeline-how-the-covid-lab-leak-origin-story-went-from-conspiracy-theory-to-government-debate/?sh=4d21f19f37b9

 

and if it is confirmed that there was a Chinese lab leak, what is to be done about it?  war with China?

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

4 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

and if it is confirmed that there was a Chinese lab leak, what is to be done about it?  war with China?

Sure, Red, that’s the only answer…an apocalyptic war with China…so no further conversation/discussion should take place.   🤔
 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, redtail hawk said:

you all must have missed this part (from NBC news):  

WASHINGTON — The Energy Department concluded with "low confidence" that the Covid-19 pandemic "likely" originated from a laboratory leak in Wuhan, China, according to a classified report delivered to key lawmakers on the House and Senate Intelligence committees, two sources with direct knowledge told NBC News.

Key lawmakers on the intelligence committees were briefed last month by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence about the classified report, the sources said.

The news was first reported Sunday by The Wall Street Journal.

However, a source cautioned that the Energy Department's conclusion was not being viewed as hugely significant among the intelligence community because of interagency disagreements about Covid’s origins. 

 

hmmm, wonder why that was mentioned here.

 

Never mind.  I got my answer.  Sad.

 

22 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

and if it is confirmed that there was a Chinese lab leak, what is to be done about it?  war with China?

 

The better question is: why is this (correct assessment) political for you guys?

Edited February 27, 2023 by Doc

[Joe Ferguson forever]

9 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Sure, Red, that’s the only answer…an apocalyptic war with China…so no further conversation/discussion should take place.   🤔
 

i actually requested discussion. "what is to be done"...

[Tommy Callahan]

20 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

and if it is confirmed that there was a Chinese lab leak, what is to be done about it?  war with China?

if its confirmed we were funding the experiments?  

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, Chris farley said:

if its confirmed we were funding the experiments?  

 

 

then that would be big and should be punished and ensured never to happen again

Edited February 27, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, redtail hawk said:

you all must have missed this part (from NBC news):  

WASHINGTON — The Energy Department concluded with "low confidence" that the Covid-19 pandemic "likely" originated from a laboratory leak in Wuhan, China, according to a classified report delivered to key lawmakers on the House and Senate Intelligence committees, two sources with direct knowledge told NBC News.

Key lawmakers on the intelligence committees were briefed last month by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence about the classified report, the sources said.

The news was first reported Sunday by The Wall Street Journal.

However, a source cautioned that the Energy Department's conclusion was not being viewed as hugely significant among the intelligence community because of interagency disagreements about Covid’s origins. 

 

hmmm, wonder why that was mentioned here.

 

Now do the confidence of the other agencies… don’t forget the FBI, who concluded the same as DOE 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Now do the confidence of the other agencies… don’t forget the FBI, who concluded the same as DOE 

go right ahead.  I'm reading...

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Now do the confidence of the other agencies… don’t forget the FBI, who concluded the same as DOE 

 

Then do the confidence that it came from an animal from a wet market, an animal that has yet not been found to exist.  But hey, that's got to the answer.

 

 

Edited February 27, 2023 by Doc

[Tommy Callahan]

2 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

then that would be big and should be punished and ensured never to happen again

But fauchi and the usual voices already said we were not funding gain of function research in labs outside our country after the obama law to make it illigal to do gain of function inside this country.