The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Doc Brown]

Great news for Johnson & Johnson vaccine.  One shot dose in huge in speeding up vaccination process.

 

 

[RiotAct]

should be all systems go fairly soon here.

[SoCal Deek]

8 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

should be all systems go fairly soon here.

You mean we're moving into the FOUR mask stage? 

[daz28]

1 hour ago, WideNine said:

Folks want to argue about state-by-state policies and how effective lax vs stringent policies were when in reality the US as a whole just needed to be more united in our efforts to lower infection rates.

 

Living in a state with strict policies I can attest that folks stubbornly walked around without masks or social distancing and they were vocal about it being a political statement.

 

So hard to blame policies for failure when Americans don't have the grit or will to follow them.

 

My concern has always been mutations that would make Covid-19 more transmissable and/or lethal.

 

The more infections circulating the more opportunities for the virus to evolve...it is just a simple numbers game with random mutations.

 

We have heard of variants arising from countries with poor pandemic containment, UK variants, Brazil variants, and now the "California" US variant?

 

Study links the dramatic rise in cases in CA the past few months to a new more deadly variant...will likely account up to 90% of cases by the end of next month.

 

https://ktla.com/news/california/the-devil-is-already-here-coronavirus-variant-in-california-looks-increasingly-dangerous/

 

Is what it is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mutant strains are why all the idiots making political statements need to stfu, and be vigilant.  The longer you cry about masks, social distancing, and vaccines is more time for the virus to mutate.  If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.  

[SoCal Deek]

7 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Mutant strains are why all the idiots making political statements need to stfu, and be vigilant.  The longer you cry about masks, social distancing, and vaccines is more time for the virus to mutate.  If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.  

Where's your end game? Or is there one?

[daz28]

10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Where's your end game? Or is there one?

What kind of question is this?  Why not ask me how to end all wars, and have world peace?  How to feed the world hungry?  I think everyone's "end game" is to get back to where we were pre-Covid.  

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, daz28 said:

What kind of question is this?  Why not ask me how to end all wars, and have world peace?  How to feed the world hungry?  I think everyone's "end game" is to get back to where we were pre-Covid.  

Which is where, exactly?  You cannot get back to pre-Covid...because now we have Covid.  So now, we will get to somewhere else.  Before automobiles there were no car crashes. Before airplanes, there were no plane crashes.  The world will continue to change, just like it always has, and always will.  People will balance risk just like they do every time they get behind the wheel or board a plane.

[WideNine]

26 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Where's your end game? Or is there one?

 

At this point I just don't know.

 

We have already screwed the pooch getting this under control where we may have had a chance....

 

This new varient seems to evade current vaccines. They may have to work on tweaking the recipe or test vaccines other than the Pfizer and Moderna for efficacy.

 

Sucks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

At this point I just don't know.

 

We have already screwed the pooch getting this under control where we may have had a chance....

 

This new varient seems to evade current vaccines. They may have to work on tweaking the recipe or test vaccines other than the Pfizer and Moderna for efficacy.

 

Sucks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm far more optimistic. This virus isn't going to end the species. It'll be fine. Keep in mind, that you're being fed stories by people and organizations that make money off of your willingness to click on, and tune into, the products/information they're selling. 

[daz28]

10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Which is where, exactly?  You cannot get back to pre-Covid...because now we have Covid.  So now, we will get to somewhere else.  Before automobiles there were no car crashes. Before airplanes, there were no plane crashes.  The world will continue to change, just like it always has, and always will.  People will balance risk just like they do every time they get behind the wheel or board a plane.

Did we get to pre-Spanish Flu, pre-polio, pre-smallpox, pre-MMR???    Also, do you mean balance risk like wearing a seatbelt?  Having airbags installed?  In 1973 there were 30 commercial aircraft accidents of 19 or more fatalities.  In 2017 there were 0.  Looks like using data, and making changes works sometimes.

[SoCal Deek]

4 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Did we get to pre-Spanish Flu, pre-polio, pre-smallpox, pre-MMR???    Also, do you mean balance risk like wearing a seatbelt?  Having airbags installed?  In 1973 there were 30 commercial aircraft accidents of 19 or more fatalities.  In 2017 there were 0.  Looks like using data, and making changes works sometimes.

We really don't know any of those answers yet. We probably won't for some time. We went almost half a century before seat belts were added to cars.  Not sure of your age, but I when I was kid we all just road around in cars....no belts, no airbags, nothing.  The virus will evolve I'm sure, some of that will be for the better and some most likely for the worse...but people have to get on with their lives.

[daz28]

7 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

At this point I just don't know.

 

We have already screwed the pooch getting this under control where we may have had a chance....

 

This new varient seems to evade current vaccines. They may have to work on tweaking the recipe or test vaccines other than the Pfizer and Moderna for efficacy.

 

Sucks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

...or you can have a president who responds to unnecessary automobile crash fatalities by saying wear a seat belt/don't wear a seat belt I don't care.  

 

-President Donald Trump told The Wall Street Journal that he believes some Americans are wearing masks during the coronavirus pandemic to express their disapproval of him and not as a preventive measure.

 

-The president also said his issue with masks is that people sometimes touch the facial coverings, which increases the chance of infection.

 

-He went on to say he thinks "testing is overrated," adding, "I created the greatest testing machine in history."

 

-Trump said, however, that more testing in the US has led to an increase in confirmed cases which "in many ways, it makes us look bad."

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, daz28 said:

...or you can have a president who responds to unnecessary automobile crash fatalities by saying wear a seat belt/don't wear a seat belt I don't care.  

 

-President Donald Trump told The Wall Street Journal that he believes some Americans are wearing masks during the coronavirus pandemic to express their disapproval of him and not as a preventive measure.

 

-The president also said his issue with masks is that people sometimes touch the facial coverings, which increases the chance of infection.

 

-He went on to say he thinks "testing is overrated," adding, "I created the greatest testing machine in history."

 

-Trump said, however, that more testing in the US has led to an increase in confirmed cases which "in many ways, it makes us look bad."

Every single one of those things is/was true, and the touching your face item came from Fauci. 

Testing has indeed been a nice scorecard, but it was never an endgame. Without a vaccine, it just like yesterdays' weather report...nice to know, but so what?

[daz28]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

We really don't know any of those answers yet. We probably won't for some time. We went almost half a century before seat belts were added to cars.  Not sure of your age, but I when I was kid we all just road around in cars....no belts, no airbags, nothing.  The virus will evolve I'm sure, some of that will be for the better and some most likely for the worse...but people have to get on with their lives.

Drivers and passengers complained that seat belts were uncomfortable and restrictive, but the uproar over mandatory seat belt laws was mostly ideological. One of Hollister’s colleagues in the Michigan House called the seat belt bill “a pretty good lesson in mass hysteria created by a corporate-controlled media” and warned that the government would outlaw smoking next. Another said that anyone who voted for the bill should be recalled.       

 

Does that sound familiar???/ Blaming the media is not a new idea, but it's still just as stupid.

 

“An enormous political backlash ensued,” says Jerry Mashaw, professor emeritus at the Yale Law School and co-author of The Struggle for Auto Safety. “Congress received more letters from Americans complaining about [the interlock mechanism] than they did about Nixon’s ‘Saturday Night Massacre.’”

 

Also sounds VERY familiar///  

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Every single one of those things is/was true, and the touching your face item came from Fauci. 

Testing has indeed been a nice scorecard, but it was never an endgame. Without a vaccine, it just like yesterdays' weather report...nice to know, but so what?

People really felt masks didn't work, but wore them to make Trump look bad???  C'mon man.  Also, why not just tell people NOT to touch the mask, instead of insinuating it might get you infected.  testing and contact tracing are VERY effective, and have saved tons of lives, which in no way "makes us look bad".  What makes us look bad if having an idiot in charge.

[BillStime]

Thank you Trump voters

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

3 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Thank you Trump voters

 

 

And if only Uncle Joe had been in charge he would've implemented his Post Office Mask Mandate, and stopped it in its tracks! 

[BillStime]

5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

And if only Uncle Joe had been in charge he would've implemented his Post Office Mask Mandate, and stopped it in its tracks! 

The most incompetent administration in our lifetime - thanks, again Trump voters.

 

 

[daz28]

54 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Thank you Trump voters

 

 

The last part of it is likely the most overlooked, yet the most damning.  The stock market might be the least accurate measure of how well 98% of your citizens are doing on a personal level.  Before someone brings up retirements, keep in mind that all of it can be lost as quickly as it was gained.  Should hedge managers be allowed to pick away at our retirement?  If Americans have to spin the wheel of fortune to hope for a decent life after working hard for 50 years, then that's pretty sad.  I'll just take the pensions like people used to get, before shareholders took all the dividends and CEO's all the profits.  I think a 'WHAT TRUMP SAID ABOUT COVID ONE YEAR AGO TODAY THREAD' is in order.  It would put the stupidity in perspective.  

[Big Blitz]

2 hours ago, BillStime said:

Thank you Trump voters

 

 

 

 

Nah.

 

They will remember this clown as perpetuating the biggest sham in the history of the planet on us.

 

You guys on Earth 2 can play make believe that Trump caused the "outbreak" that Cuomo was praised for handling, Germany, and others that saw the exact same proportion of cases as everyone else but China who is allowed to continue to lie and not be called out by Xiden.   

 

 

 

 

Oh......And this.....

 

 

 

The thing is Fauci was always right. 

 

 

 

But he was part of the deep state insurrection, and saw masks became a political weapon in order to make Karen (the U.S. has too many of these) feel safe when she goes to Target.  

 

Trump tweeted optimistim tho how dare he!!!!!!!

 

He should have used his Authoritarian powers to end impeachment and immediately save America from the biology.  

 

 

 

 

Meanwhile, on Earth 2...they continue to traumatize children and beclown themselves 

 

 

 

Edited February 25, 2021 by Big Blitz

[B-Man]

 

 

"It's maddening to watch the liberals who insisted for months that we should 'follow the science' reject the overwhelming scientific evidence that schools can reopen safely."

 

"Conservatives have argued for years that liberals don't actually care about science and only pretend to when it's convenient for the advancement of their political agenda. It appears that they had a point." 

 

A commenter named Jadon writes, at "School Closures Have Failed America’s Children As many as three million children have gotten no education for nearly a year" by Nicholas Kristof (NYT).

 

 

https://althouse.blogspot.com/2021/02/its-maddening-to-watch-liberals-who.html

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/24/opinion/covid-school-closures-children.html?smid=url-share

 

 

 

[BillStime]

 

PS: It's day 36 you idiots

CC: @B-Man

[mjd1001]

Ok, its only 3 days, but its getting a bit worrisome than cases are starting to trend back up (No news seems to be reporting this yet...maybe its just something they think is too small of a sample?)

 

More cases reported in the USA yesterday (Wed, 24th) than last week (Wed, 17th). More cases reported Tue of this week than Tue of last week. More cases reported Mon of this week than Mon of last week.

41 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

"It's maddening to watch the liberals who insisted for months that we should 'follow the science' reject the overwhelming scientific evidence that schools can reopen safely."

 

"Conservatives have argued for years that liberals don't actually care about science and only pretend to when it's convenient for the advancement of their political agenda. It appears that they had a point." 

 

A commenter named Jadon writes, at "School Closures Have Failed America’s Children As many as three million children have gotten no education for nearly a year" by Nicholas Kristof (NYT).

 

 

https://althouse.blogspot.com/2021/02/its-maddening-to-watch-liberals-who.html

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/24/opinion/covid-school-closures-children.html?smid=url-share

 

 

 

I'm not taking a shot at your or your comment....as I have a problem with both sides of the poltical debate (truly, I really REALLY think i'm someplace in the middle) but...what I laugh about is message boards, twitter and most forms of social media I follow....when it comes to politics VERY LITTLE time is spent promoting what 'your side' is doing well, most time and effort is just spent bashing the other side and basing what the other side is doing.

[WideNine]

3 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

"It's maddening to watch the liberals who insisted for months that we should 'follow the science' reject the overwhelming scientific evidence that schools can reopen safely."

 

"Conservatives have argued for years that liberals don't actually care about science and only pretend to when it's convenient for the advancement of their political agenda. It appears that they had a point." 

 

A commenter named Jadon writes, at "School Closures Have Failed America’s Children As many as three million children have gotten no education for nearly a year" by Nicholas Kristof (NYT).

 

 

https://althouse.blogspot.com/2021/02/its-maddening-to-watch-liberals-who.html

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/24/opinion/covid-school-closures-children.html?smid=url-share

 

 

 

 

It is not just liberals that questioned the sanity of opening schools during a pandemic.

 

Maybe teachers and their unions pushed back with good reason too. 

 

You cherry pick evidence pulled from studies.

 

Studies take time, but for dumb, self-serving politicians and their ignorant drones they look at studies after the fact and say "see, no caution needed. We had a gut feeling this would work out."

 

Even with schools "opening" folks like you seem to want to overlook all the new protocols "open" entails.

 

Just in my child's district:

 

Staggered on-site days. Just 2 days a week in our district.

 

Over the summer the facilities department had to overhaul the hvac systems.

 

Facilities also tried every configuration imaginable and could only get half the seating per class following CDC guidance for safe distancing hence the staggered attendance schedule.

 

Entrances were limited and patrolled by teachers or volunteers that screen kids for fevers and signs of being sick upon entry.

 

Markers were sprayed "paw prints for my daughter's school" to reinforce social distancing and to help kids stay in their lane.

 

Masks are worn all day.

 

Bathroom use is limited to a single child at a time. 

 

Drinking fountains are off-limits so kids are encouraged to bring their own water bottles or are given bottled water if they forget.

 

Strict hand sanitizer use and each kid has to pitch in to sanitize their desks at the end of each bell period.

 

Safety training curriculum around all these changes was developed. Students and parents had to take the training and sign off on it and school liability waivers.

 

With all that, if community spread hits a certain threshold, we are back to distance learning full time.

 

So yes, they are relatively safely open. So what is your point?

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 25, 2021 by WideNine

[716er]

14 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Nah.

 

They will remember this clown as perpetuating the biggest sham in the history of the planet on us.

 

You guys on Earth 2 can play make believe that Trump caused the "outbreak" that Cuomo was praised for handling, Germany, and others that saw the exact same proportion of cases as everyone else but China who is allowed to continue to lie and not be called out by Xiden.   

 

 

 

 

Oh......And this.....

 

 

 

The thing is Fauci was always right. 

 

 

 

But he was part of the deep state insurrection, and saw masks became a political weapon in order to make Karen (the U.S. has too many of these) feel safe when she goes to Target.  

 

Trump tweeted optimistim tho how dare he!!!!!!!

 

He should have used his Authoritarian powers to end impeachment and immediately save America from the biology.  

 

 

 

 

Meanwhile, on Earth 2...they continue to traumatize children and beclown themselves 

 

 

 

 

How much per month do you spend on tinfoil? 

[Doc]

2 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

Ok, its only 3 days, but its getting a bit worrisome than cases are starting to trend back up (No news seems to be reporting this yet...maybe its just something they think is too small of a sample?)

 

Funny.  The MSM thought we should be alarming everyone last year.  Now crickets as the variants start to invade.

[B-Man]

1 hour ago, WideNine said:

 

 

So yes, they are relatively safely open. So what is your point?

 

 

 

Open the schools.

 

Quarantine is doing more harm than good.

 

Science says so.

 

 

 

Take your pick.

 

 

[BillStime]

23 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Open the schools.

 

Quarantine is doing more harm than good.

 

Science says so.

 

 

 

Take your pick.

 

 

Who controls when a school can reopen?

[SoCal Deek]

7 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Who controls when a school can reopen?

The local teachers Union 

[GaryPinC]

37 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Open the schools.

 

Quarantine is doing more harm than good.

 

Science says so.

 

 

 

Take your pick.

 

 

Schools are open.  Not everywhere, but in very many states, including mine (Ohio).  

 

Classes are masked and socially distanced.  Part of how they managed to do this is because a significant number of parents CHOSE to keep their kids virtual.  Sports are being played.

 

 

What the science says is that kids 15 and under are less likely to be infected and spread Covid.  Kids under 12 especially.

 

The science also says that primary school kids are far more likely to be mild or totally asymptomatic.

 

The science also says that infected kids above 15 spread the virus akin to adults, thus the risk to teachers.

 

The science is also showing in open schools with Covid precautions there are very few spreading events.   Hence the CDC and everyone pushing for schools with proper precautions to be open.

 

The science also shows that some kids do better at virtual classes, others better in-person.

 

See the entire science instead of just the parts you like.

Edited February 25, 2021 by GaryPinC

[WideNine]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

The local teachers Union 

 

Would it be more accurate to say state entities working with local teachers unions.

 

In my state it looks like a combination of state health and education departments coordinating and arbitrating with teacher unions to reach a consensus plan.

 

Sounds like state entities have a lion's share of the decision.

 

If unions had an arbitrary jurisdiction, they would not be suing various states over their decisions to reopen schools right?

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-s-largest-teachers-union-files-suit-against-state-over-n1234382

 

 

[GaryPinC]

23 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Where's your end game? Or is there one?

There is most definitely an endgame.

 

We are going to vaccinate Covid-19 either to obscurity (polio, smallpox) or to a manageable level in society (influenza).  My guess is somewhere in the middle of this spectrum, either several years of adapted vaccines or a paradigm similar to influenza but maybe less often.

 

Right now, even though the MSM will be histrionic about mutated Covid, it does appear Covid mutates faster than previously thought.  Not as fast as influenza though.  And while the vaccines may have some degree of reduced efficacy, they are far from impotent against the mutants.

 

We are all tired of the precautions, so start by getting vaccinated at first opportunity.  Natural immunity and vaccinated immunity are critical.  We are privileged to have the finest vaccines here in the US and if anyone prompts me I can explain why. 

As the numbers change, so do the restrictions.  We need to use the vaccines to reduce the spread and concurrent natural mutations, then the numbers and science will dictate what kind of long term vaccine plan is necessary.

 

In fact, once the numbers and epidemiologists determine vaccine and natural immunity have reduced spread of the virus enough it will be critical to remove precautions to assess the long term health plan to prevent Covid from ever threatening our health care system again. 

[WideNine]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Funny.  The MSM thought we should be alarming everyone last year.  Now crickets as the variants start to invade.

 

Maybe you are referring to "MSN" which is not really a news outlet.

 

So your angst is directed at a "content aggregater". So a site that collects news articles from various news sources and delivers them probably based on interest trends and click counts.

 

This was their 2nd top rated corona virus story when I just checked.

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-02-25/new-coronavirus-variant-found-in-new-york-city

 

You are trying too hard to manufacture a narrative that simply is not true.

 

 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

39 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

 

 

Classes are masked and socially distanced.  Part of how they managed to do this is because a significant number of parents CHOSE to keep their kids virtual.  Sports are being played.

 

 

 

 

 

Bingo!

 

Thank you for the option and right to choose to keep our kids out of the public indoctrination centers forever.  

 

And declaring in person public school non essential.  

 

Refund the tax payers.  

 

Let the computers and parents do the work.  And there is zero reason my kids need to do the "virtual learning" my county offers.  

 

Where do teachers think this logically ends.  So dumb.  If you teach and you are in your 20s or 30s, start looking for another line of work.  And abandon that major in college asap.  

 

Should save the taxpayers $100s a month in real estate taxes.  I know half my county's budget goes to the schools.

 

 

And lol if they think Democrat politicians will save them.  Yea tell that to the fossil fuels and manufacturing industries they used to support here.  Newsome is absolutely figuring out how much in property taxes he is going to save his voters.  No chance in hell Democrats are going to let Republicans get out in front of that.   RIP folks.  You slit your own throats.   

 

[Big Blitz]

31 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

There is most definitely an endgame.

 

We are going to vaccinate Covid-19 either to obscurity (polio, smallpox) or to a manageable level in society (influenza).  My guess is somewhere in the middle of this spectrum, either several years of adapted vaccines or a paradigm similar to influenza but maybe less often.

 

Right now, even though the MSM will be histrionic about mutated Covid, it does appear Covid mutates faster than previously thought.  Not as fast as influenza though.  And while the vaccines may have some degree of reduced efficacy, they are far from impotent against the mutants.

 

We are all tired of the precautions, so start by getting vaccinated at first opportunity.  Natural immunity and vaccinated immunity are critical.  We are privileged to have the finest vaccines here in the US and if anyone prompts me I can explain why. 

As the numbers change, so do the restrictions.  We need to use the vaccines to reduce the spread and concurrent natural mutations, then the numbers and science will dictate what kind of long term vaccine plan is necessary.

 

In fact, once the numbers and epidemiologists determine vaccine and natural immunity have reduced spread of the virus enough it will be critical to remove precautions to assess the long term health plan to prevent Covid from ever threatening our health care system again. 

 

 

So it wasn't about flattening the curve?

 

And you believe this mutation nonsense hook line and sinker?

 

How gullible are people? 

 

How can you not just be absolutely furious with everyone in charge taking YEARS away from your life and kids one chance at development (and the joy their parents get watching it happen).   

 

 

Being alive does not = living.  

 

This is about making every individual in every corner of the country suffer equally.  Thats ideologically where the supporters of this crap are coming from.  If you don't mitigate like us you must want to kill people.   Uh huh.  

[SoCal Deek]

55 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

Would it be more accurate to say state entities working with local teachers unions.

 

In my state it looks like a combination of state health and education departments coordinating and arbitrating with teacher unions to reach a consensus plan.

 

Sounds like state entities have a lion's share of the decision.

 

If unions had an arbitrary jurisdiction, they would not be suing various states over their decisions to reopen schools right?

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-s-largest-teachers-union-files-suit-against-state-over-n1234382

 

 

The last line of approval is the local teachers union. This isn't complicated.  Everything doesn't need to be an argument. 

[US Egg]

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/01/28/960901166/how-is-the-covid-19-vaccination-campaign-going-in-your-state

 

"Since vaccine distribution began in the U.S. on Dec. 14, more than 66 million doses have been administered, reaching 13.6% of the total U.S. population, according to federal data collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The U.S. is currently administering over 1.4 million shots a day."

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/3-ways-that-the-u-s-population-will-change-over-the-next-decade#:~:text=The U.S. population today%2C at,just under 1.4 billion%2C respectively.

 

"The U.S. population at the start of 2020, numbers just over 331 million people."

 

13.6% of 331,000,000 is 66,000,000?  I was never good at math.   

 

 

[WideNine]

52 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

The last line of approval is the local teachers union. This isn't complicated.  Everything doesn't need to be an argument. 

 

It's not an argument if I am just correcting what appears to be an oversimplification and/or misstating facts. 

 

Apparently states have the final say whether schools can reopen unless of course they are sued. Which was the case in Florida, then the FINAL "final say" went before a judge to render a verdict.

 

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/08/24/judge-sides-with-florida-teachers-union-says-districts-should-decide-if-schools-should-reopen/

 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/01/28/960901166/how-is-the-covid-19-vaccination-campaign-going-in-your-state

 

"Since vaccine distribution began in the U.S. on Dec. 14, more than 66 million doses have been administered, reaching 13.6% of the total U.S. population, according to federal data collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The U.S. is currently administering over 1.4 million shots a day."

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/3-ways-that-the-u-s-population-will-change-over-the-next-decade#:~:text=The U.S. population today%2C at,just under 1.4 billion%2C respectively.

 

"The U.S. population at the start of 2020, numbers just over 331 million people."

 

13.6% of 331,000,000 is 66,000,000?  I was never good at math.   

 

 

I'm not sure where you are going here. Some of the doses are to the same people. The vaccines take two shots. The math isn't going to be as simple as you seem to suggest.

2 hours ago, WideNine said:

 

It's not an argument if I am just correcting what appears to be an oversimplification and/or misstating facts. 

 

Apparently states have the final say whether schools can reopen unless of course they are sued. Which was the case in Florida, then the FINAL "final say" went before a judge to render a verdict.

 

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/08/24/judge-sides-with-florida-teachers-union-says-districts-should-decide-if-schools-should-reopen/

 

 

 

The Court ruled that the Union has the final say.  Isn't that what I said?

[US Egg]

17 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I'm not sure where you are going here. Some of the doses are to the same people. The vaccines take two shots. The math isn't going to be as simple as you seem to suggest.

Didn't make myself clear, only 6% fully treated was my point.

[SoCal Deek]

7 minutes ago, I am the egg man said:

Didn't make myself clear, only 6% fully treated was my point.

Gotcha! But....6% is huge if they’d focus on the vulnerable population.