The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[B-Man]

 

 

WELL: Up to 80% of COVID-19 Infections Are Asymptomatic, a New Case Report Says.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[3rdnlng]

On 5/26/2020 at 7:13 PM, SectionC3 said:

But still not peace. 

More peaceful than that democrat stronghold of Chicago.

[B-Man]

Fauci: Second Wave of Coronavirus Infections 'Not Inevitable'

BY RICK MORAN, MAY 27, 2020

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

NEWS & POLITICS

California's COVID Nursing Home Death Rate 'Cover Up' Is Imploding

 

BY VICTORIA TAFT MAY 27, 2020 5:42 PM EST

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A care worker takes care to residents of the Maharin nursing home of Anglet, southwestern France, Tuesday, Jan.30, 2018. French care workers are protesting at nursing homes around the country in anger over staff shortages and cost cuts. Unions say workers are under increasing pressure to cut corners on feeding, cleaning and hygiene care for elderly residents. (AP Photo/Bob Edme)

The COVID nursing home death rate in California may be even worse than we feared due to “collu[sion]” to cover-up the numbers.

 

The first wave of COVID-19 in the United States may well go down as a pandemic in nursing homes. The New York Times reports that fully 1/3 of the deaths from COVID-19 took place in the nation’s nursing homes. In California, it’s worse. It’s believed 41% of all COVID-19 deaths are tied to nursing homes.

We’re just now getting a clearer idea of how bad the coronavirus has riven those homes in California. Untold thousands of people have died in nursing homes from the coronavirus imported from Wuhan, China, but because of California’s privacy laws and reporting protocols and more pointed questions to county and state officials, we are only now beginning to get an idea.

The San Jose Mercury News calls the lack of accurate numbers a “shameful” “cover-up.”

Californians should know which care facilities have novel coronavirus cases, how many and how many deaths, and whether the victims are staff or residents. This is fundamental information that should be disclosed under the California Public Records Act.

Instead, the counties and the state are colluding in a cover-up. The counties refuse to turn over the information and direct inquiries to the state. The state, in turn, puts out the minimal, inaccurate lists. It’s shameful.

Nursing Home Deaths Are ‘Tip of Spear’

Indeed, Governor Gavin Newsom is feeling the heat. On Tuesday’s coronavirus update (which have become less regular), the governor admitted that 33% of the COVID deaths are from nursing homes and 50% of all COVID deaths are from LA County.

This is tip of spear. I’ve made the point to make a point about our seniors 65 and over. 79.2% again those deaths are reflected in that age cohort and the vulnerability particularly in these congregant facilities and assisted living facilities, skilled nursing facilities is self evident. Particularly in Los Angeles. Out of Los Angeles in particular we are seeing roughly – and the numbers have changed in the past few days – roughly 55-56% of the deaths in the state come out of that county and roughly 2/3 of those deaths coming out of this sector in the skilled nursing, assisted living sector…

But while Governor Newsom has been given credit for shutting down the virus early, it’s Newsom’s own diktats about nursing homes that may have contributed to the death toll.

The Mercury News reports that Newsom forced nursing homes to take COVID patients, reminiscent of New York Governor Andrew Cuomo’s blunder.

Newsom Sends Sick to Nursing Homes

It has become crystal clear by now that nursing homes are COVID hotspots, yet the governor’s own shelter requirement keeps pushing the elderly into what some consider to be death traps. The Mercury News reports that by using the state’s own incomplete numbers ,41% of all COVID deaths have occurred in nursing homes. Some were staff and some were patients.

Official diktats have made the problem worse.

• Newsom orders force the elderly sick into nursing homes
• Newsom pays nursing homes $1000 to take elderly COVID patients in nursing homes
• Accurate numbers aren’t available in California. HIPAA is the reason given, but considering that raw numbers don’t reveal names, that seems specious.
• Newsom budget cuts force more elderly into nursing homes for more Medicaid money
• California, Michigan, Ohio, and Washington State, where the nursing home crisis started, do not separately cull nursing home death numbers
• Newsom only requires nursing homes report if there are 11 deaths at a facility.
• Accurate numbers for nursing home deaths are hidden behind privacy statutes and are not combined with state numbers for an accurate real-time trend line
• COVID death numbers are unavailable for people seeking a safe place for family member                                                              https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2020/05/27/californias-covid-nursing-home-death-rate-cover-up-is-imploding-n433703

[fansince88]

45 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

NEWS & POLITICS

California's COVID Nursing Home Death Rate 'Cover Up' Is Imploding

 

BY VICTORIA TAFT MAY 27, 2020 5:42 PM EST

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A care worker takes care to residents of the Maharin nursing home of Anglet, southwestern France, Tuesday, Jan.30, 2018. French care workers are protesting at nursing homes around the country in anger over staff shortages and cost cuts. Unions say workers are under increasing pressure to cut corners on feeding, cleaning and hygiene care for elderly residents. (AP Photo/Bob Edme)

The COVID nursing home death rate in California may be even worse than we feared due to “collu[sion]” to cover-up the numbers.

 

The first wave of COVID-19 in the United States may well go down as a pandemic in nursing homes. The New York Times reports that fully 1/3 of the deaths from COVID-19 took place in the nation’s nursing homes. In California, it’s worse. It’s believed 41% of all COVID-19 deaths are tied to nursing homes.

We’re just now getting a clearer idea of how bad the coronavirus has riven those homes in California. Untold thousands of people have died in nursing homes from the coronavirus imported from Wuhan, China, but because of California’s privacy laws and reporting protocols and more pointed questions to county and state officials, we are only now beginning to get an idea.

The San Jose Mercury News calls the lack of accurate numbers a “shameful” “cover-up.”

Californians should know which care facilities have novel coronavirus cases, how many and how many deaths, and whether the victims are staff or residents. This is fundamental information that should be disclosed under the California Public Records Act.

Instead, the counties and the state are colluding in a cover-up. The counties refuse to turn over the information and direct inquiries to the state. The state, in turn, puts out the minimal, inaccurate lists. It’s shameful.

Nursing Home Deaths Are ‘Tip of Spear’

Indeed, Governor Gavin Newsom is feeling the heat. On Tuesday’s coronavirus update (which have become less regular), the governor admitted that 33% of the COVID deaths are from nursing homes and 50% of all COVID deaths are from LA County.

This is tip of spear. I’ve made the point to make a point about our seniors 65 and over. 79.2% again those deaths are reflected in that age cohort and the vulnerability particularly in these congregant facilities and assisted living facilities, skilled nursing facilities is self evident. Particularly in Los Angeles. Out of Los Angeles in particular we are seeing roughly – and the numbers have changed in the past few days – roughly 55-56% of the deaths in the state come out of that county and roughly 2/3 of those deaths coming out of this sector in the skilled nursing, assisted living sector…

But while Governor Newsom has been given credit for shutting down the virus early, it’s Newsom’s own diktats about nursing homes that may have contributed to the death toll.

The Mercury News reports that Newsom forced nursing homes to take COVID patients, reminiscent of New York Governor Andrew Cuomo’s blunder.

Newsom Sends Sick to Nursing Homes

It has become crystal clear by now that nursing homes are COVID hotspots, yet the governor’s own shelter requirement keeps pushing the elderly into what some consider to be death traps. The Mercury News reports that by using the state’s own incomplete numbers ,41% of all COVID deaths have occurred in nursing homes. Some were staff and some were patients.

Official diktats have made the problem worse.

• Newsom orders force the elderly sick into nursing homes
• Newsom pays nursing homes $1000 to take elderly COVID patients in nursing homes
• Accurate numbers aren’t available in California. HIPAA is the reason given, but considering that raw numbers don’t reveal names, that seems specious.
• Newsom budget cuts force more elderly into nursing homes for more Medicaid money
• California, Michigan, Ohio, and Washington State, where the nursing home crisis started, do not separately cull nursing home death numbers
• Newsom only requires nursing homes report if there are 11 deaths at a facility.
• Accurate numbers for nursing home deaths are hidden behind privacy statutes and are not combined with state numbers for an accurate real-time trend line
• COVID death numbers are unavailable for people seeking a safe place for family member                                                              https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2020/05/27/californias-covid-nursing-home-death-rate-cover-up-is-imploding-n433703

He and Coumo (governors of death) should have to answer for this atrocity 

[Cinga]

Let be realistic... Old people especially in nursing homes are no longer contributing to society. In fact once retired, old people are more a drain on society

 

[shoshin]

 

 

[Westside]

11 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

 

Let's keep everything closed till November. That should do it.

[Doc Brown]

29 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

 

I wonder if there's an extra lag because of the holiday weekend as far as the death count goes (Wednesday is the new Tuesday this week).  The seven day rolling average is below 1,000 though so hopefully tomorrow we'll see it back below 1,000 deaths reported by tomorrow.

[shoshin]

6 hours ago, westside2 said:

Let's keep everything closed till November. That should do it.

huh? The numbers are going down. Just what we’d want. 

[Magox]

7 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I wonder if there's an extra lag because of the holiday weekend as far as the death count goes (Wednesday is the new Tuesday this week).  The seven day rolling average is below 1,000 though so hopefully tomorrow we'll see it back below 1,000 deaths reported by tomorrow.

Yesterday would have been the first day of more normalized reporting, I would expect today and tomorrow’s report to follow through with that post holiday.  Also expect to see some higher confirmed infections coming down the pike as testing dumps will be piled on.

 

But make no mistake, the trend is looking good.  The question is when and where does it bottom out?   There are supposed converging forces at play with more re openings on one hand which theoretically puts more people at risk (there are counter arguments to this) and the fact that hotter, more humid sunny days which are hostile components for viral transmission.  Plus there MAY be a cyclical component as well and elements of herd immunity of communities within cities at play.

[plenzmd1]

8 hours ago, westside2 said:

Let's keep everything closed till November. That should do it.

That's an insightful reply to his post and the numbers Silver posts. Thank you for the insight

2 hours ago, shoshin said:

huh? The numbers are going down. Just what we’d want. 

2 things

1) For folks on both of the extremes, numbers mean nothing, only ideological group think and attacking those not in your "group"

 

2) Next month will be so interesting. All of the images from Memorial Day, seemed to be almost an unofficial "open day" for most of the country. Think the next 3 weeks will dicatet so much of what summer looks like.

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

23 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

The video of the (*^*&%^$^#in the mask above doing the story about the recklessness of the crowd around him while his crew is maskless sort of illustrates the point.  
 

Much of what qualifies as reporting is simply an illusion, a story, a myth.  When the curtain is pulled back, reality is often revealed. There can be multiple reasons for the illusion, from good old fashioned salesmanship, to well-intentioned but bias-influenced decision making to something much more sinister and manipulative.  
 

What strikes me is that in most other instances involving corporate America, people rightly identify the bull#### and call it out.  When Wells Fargo manipulated customer accounts, outrage followed.  When WaPo —-a commercial enterprise with its success/failure determined by forces other than some nebulous pursuit of “truth”—- reports for 4 years and misses on virtually every aspect of the Russia story, many people just shrug their shoulders.  I’ve asked before, but given the outcome of the probe, was WaPo and it’s vaunted staff of reporters and editors with a horde of anonymous sources simply incompetent, or was it deliberate?   Either way, it’s a very bad look. 
 

But, the entrenched narrative that a “FREE PRESS” is actually free continues to carry the day.  
 

 

It's good to see that people are finally starting to understand the position I've held for about ten years now.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

27 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

It's good to see that people are finally starting to understand the position I've held for about ten years now.

I can’t say how long I’ve believed what I’ve believed..probably since a few years after watching JFK. I recall being really drawn into the story, reading about it afterwards and finding the story compelling.  A couple documentaries later, a couple news stories that fell flat and I’ve questioned just about everything from there.  
 

At one point, a large company I worked with had an expose done on them by a major network, including grainy undercover footage of a truck pulling up in front of an office and removing documents to be shredded.   The insinuation was something nefarious was afoot.

 

Turns out the shredding company showed up at noon, on a bright sunny day, and removed documents as part of a regularly scheduled procedure, accessed via the front door on a busy street with documents readily available.  Btw, this was before ID theft was a major deal, before shredding went mainstream. 
 

Finally, I did some media training with a private company around the same time. They spoke at length about guerilla journalism, soundbite management and the business side of the media.  I did two media interviews on a local level thereafter, and all went very well.  Honest questions, my answers reasonably cut and delivered in context.  I think that’s pretty rare with national stories, especially those that are divisive and controversial.  The goal seems to be less to tell a truthful story, more with a social engineering and pure profit motive. Controversy sells. 

[LB3]

59 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

That's an insightful reply to his post and the numbers Silver posts. Thank you for the insight

2 things

1) For folks on both of the extremes, numbers mean nothing, only ideological group think and attacking those not in your "group"

 

2) Next month will be so interesting. All of the images from Memorial Day, seemed to be almost an unofficial "open day" for most of the country. Think the next 3 weeks will dicatet so much of what summer looks like.

 

 

I was at a course where they were letting people ride in carts together on Memorial Day. Course was packed. No masks. Beers were flowing. It was a great day to be alive and to be thankful to those who fought for days like it.

[SoCal Deek]

We saw the usual and expected spike in yesterday’s numbers following the three day weekend. However, as I’ve been reporting every day for almost a month now, the curve is officially flat! We appear to have reached a plateau with practically the same significantly lower death count every day. Now, with the figures at a far more manageable total, it’d be interesting to see our public health officials dig much deeper into those numbers and tell the American public where the new cases, as limited as they are, appear to be coming from. Instead of the ‘everybody wear a mask’ messaging. 

[shoshin]

1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said:

 

 

2) Next month will be so interesting. All of the images from Memorial Day, seemed to be almost an unofficial "open day" for most of the country. Think the next 3 weeks will dicatet so much of what summer looks like.

 

 

I think we will see leveling through the summer and rising through the fall and winter. As long as we don’t get the crippling spike, that’s ok. I am more interested in October and November when we start from tens to hundreds of thousands of active cases instead of 1. I’m hopeful that distancing, masks, taking care of the most at risk in a better way can get us through and keep everything running till the vaccine comes (for the people who believe in vaccines). 

[plenzmd1]

9 minutes ago, LB3 said:

I was at a course where they were letting people ride in carts together on Memorial Day. Course was packed. No masks. Beers were flowing. It was a great day to be alive and to be thankful to those who fought for days like it.

absoluetly...not we just have to hope the numbers cooperate with us and we do not see a huge spike in ICU and hospitalizations in the next 3 weeks.

[shoshin]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

We saw the usual and expected spike in yesterday’s numbers following the three day weekend. However, as I’ve been reporting every day for almost a month now, the curve is officially flat! We appear to have reached a plateau with practically the same significantly lower death count every day. Now, with the figures at a far more manageable total, it’d be interesting to see our public health officials dig much deeper into those numbers and tell the American public where the new cases, as limited as they are, appear to be coming from. Instead of the ‘everybody wear a mask’ messaging. 

You can see which states have cases on the rise. With tests leveling in many states, cases start to indicate outbreaks. Still need the accurate rapid testing and tracing to really get on top of outbreaks but that is coming. Maybe by mid To late summer. 

[SoCal Deek]

10 minutes ago, shoshin said:

You can see which states have cases on the rise. With tests leveling in many states, cases start to indicate outbreaks. Still need the accurate rapid testing and tracing to really get on top of outbreaks but that is coming. Maybe by mid To late summer. 

I know you’re a big proponent of testing, and that’s nice but when the numbers come down to where they are now may be more productive to go in and find out how people caught the virus. For example, in Wyoming yesterday there were a grand total of TEN new cases reported. You’re telling me they can’t do an investigation of who exactly those ten people are and where and how they most likely contracted the virus? Of course they can! But they’re not. Or at least it’s not being reported to the American public.

[Warren Zevon]

7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I know you’re a big proponent of testing, and that’s nice but when the numbers come down to where they are now may be more productive to go in and find out how people caught the virus. For example, in Wyoming yesterday there were a grand total of TEN new cases reported. You’re telling me they can’t do an investigation of who exactly those ten people are and where and how they most likely contracted the virus? Of course they can! But they’re not. Or at least it’s not being reported to the American public.

 

That's what tracers do. It's just as important, if not more, than testing.  

[shoshin]

12 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I know you’re a big proponent of testing, and that’s nice but when the numbers come down to where they are now may be more productive to go in and find out how people caught the virus. For example, in Wyoming yesterday there were a grand total of TEN new cases reported. You’re telling me they can’t do an investigation of who exactly those ten people are and where and how they most likely contracted the virus? Of course they can! But they’re not. Or at least it’s not being reported to the American public.

You’re right. I’m not sure about Wyoming but Tracing is happening in most states to some degree. Lots of people see tracing as big brother though or think it makes no difference and some states are not on top of it—but some are doing it aggressively. My state is hiring tracers like mad. 

Edited May 28, 2020 by shoshin

[SoCal Deek]

3 minutes ago, shoshin said:

You’re right. I’m not sure about Wyoming but Tracing is happening in most states to some degree. Lots of people see tracing as big brother though or think it makes no difference and some states are not on top of it—but some are doing it aggressively. My state is hiring tracers like mad. 

Again, we differ on both approach and rhetoric. With a grand total of TEN people in an entire state the size of Wyoming I’m guessing they don’t need an army of newly deputized government TIA agents. They just need to look at those TEN people and tell us how old they are, if they’re all in the same town, and where they most likely came into contact with the virus. That would take all of about an hour...and cost nothing! But again, we always seem to go to the big new government program, which we’ve all learned over the decades is NEVER the answer to finding out much of ANYTHING.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

25 minutes ago, shoshin said:

You can see which states have cases on the rise. With tests leveling in many states, cases start to indicate outbreaks. Still need the accurate rapid testing and tracing to really get on top of outbreaks but that is coming. Maybe by mid To late summer. 

You're the testing guy and I appreciate your perspective.

 

On the numbers....a couple questions. 

 

Covid deaths revealed to be approximately 100,000 in the US.  There has been a lot of controversy over that figure, mostly because it's been reported that there is substantial financial incentive for providers to indicate cause or death as "Covid" even when underlying health issues were the primary cause of death using reasonable thought and common sense.  One story from our family was about a man who chose to end medical treatment after a prolonged battle with cancer, who was at the end of his journey and  coincidentally became infected. Cause of death was listed as Covid, the family was very upset but there was nothing to be done. 

 

Would you know if that's SOP for other viruses?  A man at end stage pancreatic cancer becomes ill with the flu and dies, would cause ot death be listed as influenza or pancreatic cancer? 

 

The reason I ask is that I'm following Georgia and Florida.  We're getting out quite a bit from reopening, whatever that means and I'm wondering when the SH8T hits the fan. 

 

When I hear that Disney, Universal and legowprld are opening, with no pushback from the feds, I begin to feel like I have been lied to.  When I hear that sports teams can open things up, with maybe 100-200 on a field/rink/court closely interacting and flip-flopping bodily fluids regularly, yet houses of worship are advised to lockdown,  l question what we are being told. When I see some high profile pols issuing directives then violating them, I question even more. 

[Warren Zevon]

19 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Again, we differ on both approach and rhetoric. With a grand total of TEN people in an entire state the size of Wyoming I’m guessing they don’t need an army of newly deputized government TIA agents. They just need to look at those TEN people and tell us how old they are, if they’re all in the same town, and where they most likely came into contact with the virus. That would take all of about an hour...and cost nothing! But again, we always seem to go to the big new government program, which we’ve all learned over the decades is NEVER the answer to finding out much of ANYTHING.

 

Who are the "they" you refer to that can identify those ten people (while maintaining privacy), everyone they have contacted while infected, and do this job in 1 hour pro-bono?

[shoshin]

22 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

 

When I hear that Disney, Universal and legowprld are opening, with no pushback from the feds, I begin to feel like I have been lied to.  When I hear that sports teams can open things up, with maybe 100-200 on a field/rink/court closely interacting and flip-flopping bodily fluids regularly, yet houses of worship are advised to lockdown,  l question what we are being told. When I see some high profile pols issuing directives then violating them, I question even more. 

 

I don't know the answer to your question that I deleted from your post. I am curious about that too. 

 

RE the above, I said yesterday that I'd bet the farm that WDW will be rapid testing everyone who enters the world, and sports teams are already doing this in Europe so I assume we will see that here. I would not be shocked to see rapid testing at for fans going to New Era as a prerequisite to reopening. All of this is speculation but I don't think it's far-fetched. 

28 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Again, we differ on both approach and rhetoric. With a grand total of TEN people in an entire state the size of Wyoming I’m guessing they don’t need an army of newly deputized government TIA agents. They just need to look at those TEN people and tell us how old they are, if they’re all in the same town, and where they most likely came into contact with the virus. That would take all of about an hour...and cost nothing! But again, we always seem to go to the big new government program, which we’ve all learned over the decades is NEVER the answer to finding out much of ANYTHING.

 

Cost nothing for the guy typing it on the internet, yes. But it costs something for the person doing the tracing, logging those contacts, following up with those contacts, building a network of those as more cases come. I see these tracers as a necessary and temporary evil like a census worker or summer landscape crew. 

Edited May 28, 2020 by shoshin

[plenzmd1]

Cramer has turned on Fauci...No masks...now masks save lives!! Inevitable  its gunna be bad in fall, yesterday maybe it won't' come back.

 

"he has been offering some ill advised information, and i say that as someone who reveres him"

 

Think that is a good synopsis on how so many of us feel.

 

Then they go on to hammer CDC..like the business guys..they have one idealogy..whats best for the country

[B-Man]

‘Not nearly as lethal or harmful as advertised’: Here’s what the CDC report ACCIDENTALLY just admitted about COVID

 

 

Remember when politicians swore by the CDC? We suppose once the ‘data and science’ stopped supporting their lockdown and draconian, authoritarian measures to use the virus as a weapon against Trump in November they moved on to another ‘model.’

As long as it’s politically advantageous to certain people for Americans to continue suffering this won’t change … sorry, not sorry.

 

CDC itself has admitted the following:

 

 

 

Little late to the party, CDC.

 

So what’s the deal with extended lockdowns, masks, and other BULLSH*T?

 

Oh, that’s right, it’s political. 

 

 

 

[plenzmd1]

18 minutes ago, B-Man said:

‘Not nearly as lethal or harmful as advertised’: Here’s what the CDC report ACCIDENTALLY just admitted about COVID

 

 

Remember when politicians swore by the CDC? We suppose once the ‘data and science’ stopped supporting their lockdown and draconian, authoritarian measures to use the virus as a weapon against Trump in November they moved on to another ‘model.’

As long as it’s politically advantageous to certain people for Americans to continue suffering this won’t change … sorry, not sorry.

 

CDC itself has admitted the following:

 

 

 

Little late to the party, CDC.

 

So what’s the deal with extended lockdowns, masks, and other BULLSH*T?

 

Oh, that’s right, it’s political. 

 

 

 

which report is this referencing? thx

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

Who are the "they" you refer to that can identify those ten people (while maintaining privacy), everyone they have contacted while infected, and do this job in 1 hour pro-bono?

Ugh! Think about it for a second. In an hour they could tell whether all ten of these people were somehow related to each other. Are they in the same town? Are they residents in the same nursing home? Are they in the same household? If the answer to any or all of those is yes, it completely changes the need for hundreds of tracer clones! 

[Warren Zevon]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Ugh! Think about it for a second. In an hour they could tell whether all ten of these people were somehow related to each other. Are they in the same town? Are they residents in the same nursing home? Are they in the same household? If the answer to any or all of those is yes, it completely changes the need for hundreds of tracer clones! 

 

I'm not sure you understand what a tracer does. 

[shoshin]

16 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Ugh! Think about it for a second. In an hour they could tell whether all ten of these people were somehow related to each other. Are they in the same town? Are they residents in the same nursing home? Are they in the same household? If the answer to any or all of those is yes, it completely changes the need for hundreds of tracer clones! 

Who is the they who does this for those ten? And the next ten? And who is the they keeping the database? Someone or some app has to do the job and they can identify network links that the person who is sick may not. 

 

There's a thinking that the tracing is either unnecessary or can just be left to the sick person. Those are not going to help trace cases effectively. 

Edited May 28, 2020 by shoshin

[GG]

3 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

 

 

2) Next month will be so interesting. All of the images from Memorial Day, seemed to be almost an unofficial "open day" for most of the country. Think the next 3 weeks will dicatet so much of what summer looks like.

 

 

 

Or we can look at the other scary petri dishes that have been festering for well over a month.

 

We're onto week 5 after the Hasid funeral apocalypse.      After all, this is a highly insular community that's completely ignored all recommendations.

 

Any day now Williamsburg cases will spike...

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[Reality Check]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

The problem is that it is not patented. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, Reality Check said:

The problem is that it is not patented. 

Bingo!

[Reality Check]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Bingo!

The art of the pump n dump is still a favorite. The media plays their part well.

[Westside]

4 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

That's an insightful reply to his post and the numbers Silver posts. Thank you for the insight

2 things

1) For folks on both of the extremes, numbers mean nothing, only ideological group think and attacking those not in your "group"

 

2) Next month will be so interesting. All of the images from Memorial Day, seemed to be almost an unofficial "open day" for most of the country. Think the next 3 weeks will dicatet so much of what summer looks like.

 

 

Those numbers are as crooked as the politicians who compose them. If you want to believe them, then go right ahead. 

I know how badly the left wants to keep this shutdown going. It's there only hope to beat Trump in the election.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

I'm not sure you understand what a tracer does. 

I'm aware of what a tracer does!  Geez.

The point is that you don't need a 'tracer' if it turns out you ALREADY KNOW the common denominator of this limited group of ten people!   For example, if in the entire massive state of Wyoming, they know every single one of the ten people are in a single nursing home, then you know to isolate that nursing home.  You don't need to do a lot 'tracing'.  Remember, we're trying to figure how the disease spreads....not just who has it!  If you are forever playing whack-a-mole with an army of tracers, you're never going to get in front of this problem...you're always going to be playing catch up.