Nanker Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 So. Would you say it was more like this: Or like this: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 He was lucky the punch didn't go thru to his stomach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Should be unnecessary roughness. Obviously its not intentional but you cant go around punching people. He missed the ball and hit Allen. Defintiok of unnecessary roughness 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Kmart128 said: Should be unnecessary roughness. Obviously its not intentional but you cant go around punching people. He missed the ball and hit Allen. Defintiok of unnecessary roughness Great point. Does anyone know whether or not punching the ball carrier is even legal?? It can't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Down goes allen after the punch to the nuts. How long till the NFL outlaws that type of punch lol that was a broader line roughness call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 On 12/17/2019 at 11:56 PM, Ethan in Portland said: Watt missed the ball and Allen still almost fumbled it away Yeah because he got hit in the sack lol who wouldn't drop the ball after that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 20 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said: My first thought as well. If you get the ball, fine. Otherwise, personal foul with an ejection. Throwing a punch is an automatic ejection, why shouldn’t it be in this case? Throwing a punch isn't an automatic ejection. It's an automatic rejection when not part of the play. If an OL punches a rusher in the chest, no problem. It's a (very very dumb) form of blocking (likely to lead to a broken hand and a DL who doesn't notice he's been hit). It's more dangerous to the puncher than the punched is the problem. Open-hand punches to the chest are standard blocking protocol. Again, punching a guy delivers much much less force than hitting him with standard tackling form. That's why standard tackling form is taught that way. Punch an RB and he'll run right through it. Plant a shoulder in the same place and he's down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 8 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Throwing a punch isn't an automatic ejection. It's an automatic rejection when not part of the play. If an OL punches a rusher in the chest, no problem. It's a (very very dumb) form of blocking (likely to lead to a broken hand and a DL who doesn't notice he's been hit). It's more dangerous to the puncher than the punched is the problem. Open-hand punches to the chest are standard blocking protocol. Again, punching a guy delivers much much less force than hitting him with standard tackling form. That's why standard tackling form is taught that way. Punch an RB and he'll run right through it. Plant a shoulder in the same place and he's down. Well, that's your opinion. The question is and has been is it LEGAL to punch the ball carrier. The jury is still out on that issue since NO ONE has even attempted to answer the question. I'm skeptical about the legality because IF it WAS legal, why wouldn't everyone do it on every single play??!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 On 12/17/2019 at 11:43 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: This may have been tucked into one of the post game threads - apologies if I missed it. YPP put up a clip of the run play where Allen DIDN'T fumble when Watt punched at the ball. I thought it was worth a look. I think Allen has been working hard at ball security, and while it's still a work in progress, I'm impressed that he hung on to the ball here. "High and tight, Bills Claw!" Is it just me, or did Watt get him in the parts too? i thought throwing punches was illegal ? what if he missed ball and knocked the wind out him or hit em in the privates ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Jauronimo said: Well, that's your opinion. The question is and has been is it LEGAL to punch the ball carrier. The jury is still out on that issue since NO ONE has even attempted to answer the question. I'm skeptical about the legality because IF it WAS legal, why wouldn't everyone do it on every single play??!?!?! If a player punches at the ball and contacts it, it should be legal. If he misses and hits the player, it should be a penalty. Similar to being able to hit a punter/kicker if you can contact the ball first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Doc said: If a player punches at the ball and contacts it, it should be legal. If he misses and hits the player, it should be a penalty. Similar to being able to hit a punter/kicker if you can contact the ball first. Use of the word should suggests you don't actually know the rules. Some questions just weren't meant to be answered repeatedly earlier in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Watt sees that a teammate is about to tackle Allen from behind, so why not throw an Ivan Drago punch to the ball, totally miss that punch to the ball and hit Allen in the Rocky's. No harm no foul................. unless you are Josh Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Kicking the ball is legal too. It happens all the time on field goals and kickoffs. Maybe DBs should start trying to karate kick opposing players in hopes of dislodging the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 On 12/17/2019 at 11:43 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: This may have been tucked into one of the post game threads - apologies if I missed it. YPP put up a clip of the run play where Allen DIDN'T fumble when Watt punched at the ball. I thought it was worth a look. I think Allen has been working hard at ball security, and while it's still a work in progress, I'm impressed that he hung on to the ball here. "High and tight, Bills Claw!" Is it just me, or did Watt get him in the parts too? Allen didnt fumble because he missed the ball completely! and i think he got him in the ol frank n beans too. (not intentionally) 16 hours ago, Kmart128 said: Should be unnecessary roughness. Obviously its not intentional but you cant go around punching people. He missed the ball and hit Allen. Defintiok of unnecessary roughness Thats a tough call make at full speed and from the refs angle.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Kicking the ball is legal too. It happens all the time on field goals and kickoffs. Maybe DBs should start trying to karate kick opposing players in hopes of dislodging the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Looks like he might of hit the tip to me. Not even sure he touched the Football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 18 hours ago, Kmart128 said: Should be unnecessary roughness. Obviously its not intentional but you cant go around punching people. He missed the ball and hit Allen. Defintiok of unnecessary roughness Stop, he was clearly going after the ball and missed. Nothing unnecessary about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 So this week it will be fine to throw punches at Brady's kidneys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Jauronimo said: Use of the word should suggests you don't actually know the rules. Some questions just weren't meant to be answered repeatedly earlier in this thread. Cool story bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 2 hours ago, GoBills808 said: Kicking the ball is legal too. It happens all the time on field goals and kickoffs. Maybe DBs should start trying to karate kick opposing players in hopes of dislodging the ball. You can't throw your leg to block or tackle, especially when you're playing NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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