A great Josh Allen piece, and QB rankings.

[whatdrought]

I loved this piece from CBS giving a look at Josh's development, some of his best plays from Thanksgiving, and how bright his future is. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-week-14-qb-rankings-josh-allens-ascent-has-the-bills-within-striking-distance-of-the-patriots/

 

 

 

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...it feels like we're going to learn something about Allen during the final month of the season. In his final four games, he'll face the Ravens (fourth in defensive DVOA), Steelers (third), Patriots (first), and Jets (10th). He'll be tested. If he falters, no one needs to write him off. The past eight games are already enough to offer hope of a better future. Allen has ascended. We still don't know how far that ascent can carry him or the Bills -- he still needs to continue to improve as a passer considering he's still only 25th in DYAR, 25th in DVOA, and 24th in total QBR  -- but he's already ascended higher than many of us (me) ever expected.

 

There's also a QB ranking here, and Allen is slotted in at 15:

 

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15	Josh AllenBuffalo Bills QB
Credit to Allen, who is actually showing major signs of development in Year 2 after a shaky rookie season and first half of this season. More progress still needs to be made, but he's improving. Last week: 19

 

 

Also, check out the video at the top of the page where the CBS talking heads preview the Bills matchup with the Ravens. 

 

 

NFL.com

 

NFL.com QB index has been hugely laughable throughout the season, but none-the-less, here it is: 

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001084167/article/qb-index-week-14-lamar-jackson-still-no-1-josh-allen-surging?itm_source=parsely-api?icampaign=trendingNews

 

Allen getting some respect at 13: 

 

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13: Josh Allen

Individual Rank: Bhanpuri: 13 | Blair: 15 | Filice: 11 | Parr: 14

2019 stats: 12 games | 61.5 pct | 2,591 pass yds | 7.1 ypa | 16 pass TD | 8 INT | 430 rush yds | 8 rush TD | 3 fumbles lost

Bhanpuri: Allen has jumped up 14 spots on this list since Week 2 thanks in part to several superb performances like the one he produced on Thanksgiving Day. We've received a lot of heat lately from Bills Mafia for our, perhaps, overly cautious wait-and-see approach to elevating the second-year pro higher in our rankings. To that, I point to the first five weeks of the season, when Allen's play morphed from one week to the next as it often did in Year 1.

Week 1 (passer rating): 71.2
Week 2: 101.1
Week 3: 81.1
Week 4: 24.0
Week 5: 98.3

So forgive us for wanting a bit more consistency from the signal-caller. Well, we asked for it and Josh Allen gave it to us. After last Thursday's signature win at Dallas, continuing a magnetic seven-week run since Buffalo's Week 6 bye, the rocket-armed passer has certainly offered up enough evidence to warrant a massive jump up the rankings. Although his accuracy still has room for improvement, his decision-making has been markedly better, as evidenced by his 16 total touchdowns (11 passing, 5 rushing) against just two giveaways in his last seven games. What better way to vault into the top 10 than to outduel the guy sitting at No. 1? Sunday should be fun.

 

 

 

Edited December 5, 2019 by whatdrought

[Stank_Nasty]

thanks for the links man...I just tossed this in another thread but i'll toss it in here too. NFL.com's season long qb rankings....http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001084167/article/qb-index-week-14-lamar-jackson-still-no-1-josh-allen-surging …. I saw another list earlier in the week with him at 12. EXCITING TIMES!

 

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Josh Allen

Individual Rank: Bhanpuri: 13 | Blair: 15 | Filice: 11 | Parr: 14

2019 stats: 12 games | 61.5 pct | 2,591 pass yds | 7.1 ypa | 16 pass TD | 8 INT | 430 rush yds | 8 rush TD | 3 fumbles lost

Bhanpuri: Allen has jumped up 14 spots on this list since Week 2 thanks in part to several superb performances like the one he produced on Thanksgiving Day. We've received a lot of heat lately from Bills Mafia for our, perhaps, overly cautious wait-and-see approach to elevating the second-year pro higher in our rankings. To that, I point to the first five weeks of the season, when Allen's play morphed from one week to the next as it often did in Year 1.

Week 1 (passer rating): 71.2
Week 2: 101.1
Week 3: 81.1
Week 4: 24.0
Week 5: 98.3

So forgive us for wanting a bit more consistency from the signal-caller. Well, we asked for it and Josh Allen gave it to us. After last Thursday's signature win at Dallas, continuing a magnetic seven-week run since Buffalo's Week 6 bye, the rocket-armed passer has certainly offered up enough evidence to warrant a massive jump up the rankings. Although his accuracy still has room for improvement, his decision-making has been markedly better, as evidenced by his 16 total touchdowns (11 passing, 5 rushing) against just two giveaways in his last seven games. What better way to vault into the top 10 than to outduel the guy sitting at No. 1? Sunday should be fun

[whatdrought]

Just now, Stank_Nasty said:

thanks for the links man...I just tossed this in another thread but i'll toss it in here too. NFL.com's season long qb rankings....http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001084167/article/qb-index-week-14-lamar-jackson-still-no-1-josh-allen-surging …

 

Beat me to it- I was updating my OP when you posted this. I was actually looking for this when I found the CBS one, prompting the post. Good stuff all around.

[GG]

The throw from the endzone to Beasley is spectacular.  It looked far more routine on the broadcast.  

[transplantbillsfan]

Allen can really shut his critics up this week.

 

I know last week's game was on a national stage, but this week's game is against the best team in the NFL.

 

I think expectations are he's going to fall on his face and have a terrible game this week.  Then watch the national narrative very quickly shift back.

 

But just imagine if Allen has a better game than Jackson and the Bills win?!?!

[Stank_Nasty]

2 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

Beat me to it- I was updating my OP when you posted this. I was actually looking for this when I found the CBS one, prompting the post. Good stuff all around.

I've seen 3 lists this week that have our BILLS QB inside the top 15.... its 3/4 through the season and we have what would looks like a consensus top 15 qb still ascending! 

 

 

[whatdrought]

5 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Allen can really shut his critics up this week.

 

I know last week's game was on a national stage, but this week's game is against the best team in the NFL.

 

I think expectations are he's going to fall on his face and have a terrible game this week.  Then watch the national narrative very quickly shift back.

 

But just imagine if Allen has a better game than Jackson and the Bills win?!?!

 

22/34 - 248 - 2 td's   | 12 Rushes 79 yards, 2 td's 

 

One "WOW" moment that will play on all the highlight reels- Stiff arming a LB and then straight up trucking Marcus Peters into the endzone on a 18 yard TD scamper. 

 

(Angry Runs winner fo sho)

Edited December 5, 2019 by whatdrought

[Seasons1992]

14 minutes ago, GG said:

The throw from the endzone to Beasley is spectacular.  It looked far more routine on the broadcast.  

 

SICK, sick throw. Slo-mo is great.

[transplantbillsfan]

8 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

22/34 - 248 - 2 td's   | 12 Rushes 79 yards, 2 td's 

 

One "WOW" moment that will play on all the highlight reels- Stiff arming a LB and then straight up trucking Marcus Peters into the endzone on a 18 yard TD scamper. 

 

(Angry Runs winner fo sho)

 

If that happens and we win, Allen propels himself into the peripheral discussion for MVP.

 

I'm not overly optimistic that's what happens, though.

 

Here's to hopin! 

[ProcessAccepted]

This whole Josh is inaccurate narrative is getting so old. The same standards are just not applied to other QBs. If the kid is that bad how does he make throws like this. 

 

[JESSEFEFFER]

Next game with winds from the South ! gusting to 30 mph will wreak havok on the passing and kicking games and in ways that are head scratchingly unpredictable.  But the Josh is inaccurate narrative will likely fire up again.

[TH3]

I could take that CBS article a little more seriously if the author didn’t take the first half telling everyone he was right originally about Josh sucking....but now he has grown!....he has changed! 

 

Also loses me even more when the teams with QBs 10-14 in that ranking would swap for JA out in a second 

 

Also Rivers?

[Sig1Hunter]

1 hour ago, ProcessAccepted said:

This whole Josh is inaccurate narrative is getting so old. The same standards are just not applied to other QBs. If the kid is that bad how does he make throws like this. 

 

That throw was filthy. On the run, under pressure in his own end zone, threads the needle to Beasely in stride. Nuthin’ mo betta!

[DRA3196]

God, that kid has an amazing arm.

[GoBills808]

3 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said:

This whole Josh is inaccurate narrative is getting so old. The same standards are just not applied to other QBs. If the kid is that bad how does he make throws like this. 

 

There are only three QBs that can make that throw in the league right now: Mahomes, Rodgers, and Allen.

[The Wiz]

Aren't DVOA and QBR like the bleacher report of QB stat analysis? 

[ngbills]

37 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

There are only three QBs that can make that throw in the league right now: Mahomes, Rodgers, and Allen.

Not taking anything away from that pass. Fine play indeed. But never like the only so and so can make that play comments. Again great play and awareness stepping up in the pocket, but most QB's in the NFL can make that pass. Dont always do it and neither does Allen, but can. 

[Vod Kanockers]

4 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said:

This whole Josh is inaccurate narrative is getting so old. The same standards are just not applied to other QBs. If the kid is that bad how does he make throws like this. 

 

The Josh is inaccurate narrative by the media reminds me of the movie about Dewey Cox. 
 

JA could throw for 80% on the year, and people would still be talking about how he needs to be more accurate. 
 

It’s just like how every time Dewey Cox was on the phone with his wife, and at the very end she would always manage to squeeze in, “You’re never gonna make it”

(while playing in front of sold out shows)

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

3 hours ago, Sig1Hunter said:

That throw was filthy. On the run, under pressure in his own end zone, threads the needle to Beasely in stride. Nuthin’ mo betta!

yep the media always keeps throwing in that “Long way to go with is accuracy”

 

That throw was so sick, watching from that angle I’m not sure any qb makes that throw other than Josh Allen.

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

Not taking anything away from that pass. Fine play indeed. But never like the only so and so can make that play comments. Again great play and awareness stepping up in the pocket, but most QB's in the NFL can make that pass. Dont always do it and neither does Allen, but can. 

I disagree. There are only a handful of guys with the arm talent to get that throw into that window on the run. Could maybe include Stafford in his day but imo there's no other QBs completing that pass.

 

Most NFL QBs can make that throw if they have time to set their feet and square up on balance. Allen has to duck the DE and jam the ball in that crazy thin margin sidearmed and running...not many guys with that kind of arm.

[stosh64]

Josh seems to thrive on the criticism.   I love this kid so much and would take him over any other QB in the league.  (homer, proud of it!)

 

Edited December 6, 2019 by stosh64

[ProcessAccepted]

15 hours ago, ngbills said:

Not taking anything away from that pass. Fine play indeed. But never like the only so and so can make that play comments. Again great play and awareness stepping up in the pocket, but most QB's in the NFL can make that pass. Dont always do it and neither does Allen, but can. 

Just wondering if the NG in your profile name is short for negative ?

 

That was a great throw that took awareness to see and a special arm to make

 

[Buddo]

I thought it was a great throw at the time. Seeing it from this angle, just makes me even more impressed.

 

It was my favourite throw from the Cowgirls game, and I also thought it was one of the game changing moments (probably the first), as it stopped us being backed up, and although the drive eventually stalled, a terrific punt then switched field position, and we started to take the game over.

Edited December 6, 2019 by Buddo

[MJS]

Saying Allen had a shaky rookie year is silly. He didn't. He showed plenty of elite potential and he convinced a ton of Bills fans that finally ... finally we have a QB.

 

But that's not what you see when you just look at the box score and the player stats. Most of these "analysts" don't actually watch the Bills.

13 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

I disagree. There are only a handful of guys with the arm talent to get that throw into that window on the run. Could maybe include Stafford in his day but imo there's no other QBs completing that pass.

 

Most NFL QBs can make that throw if they have time to set their feet and square up on balance. Allen has to duck the DE and jam the ball in that crazy thin margin sidearmed and running...not many guys with that kind of arm.

You can add Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, and probably others as well to the list. It was a great throw, but there are certainly other QB's in the league that could probably make that throw as well.

[GoBills808]

26 minutes ago, MJS said:

Saying Allen had a shaky rookie year is silly. He didn't. He showed plenty of elite potential and he convinced a ton of Bills fans that finally ... finally we have a QB.

 

But that's not what you see when you just look at the box score and the player stats. Most of these "analysts" don't actually watch the Bills.

You can add Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, and probably others as well to the list. It was a great throw, but there are certainly other QB's in the league that could probably make that throw as well.

I already said those ones

[MJS]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

I already said those ones

You said Stafford in his prime and then literally said "but imo there's no other QBs completing that pass."

 

But maybe you mentioned them in a previous post?

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, MJS said:

You said Stafford in his prime and then literally said "but imo there's no other QBs completing that pass."

 

But maybe you mentioned them in a previous post?

 

16 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

There are only three QBs that can make that throw in the league right now: Mahomes, Rodgers, and Allen.

 

[MJS]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 

 

Ok. Well I'd add Watson.

[Shaw66]

I like that people outside of Bills fans are noticing that Allen is good, but I I still don't like the narrative.   They write about Allen like this is a surprise.

 

Yes, it's true that if you compare this season's numbers to last season's numbers, the numbers are a lot better.   And if you cherry pick them even more, you can make the narrative even better.  

 

It's written that way because no one was paying attention to Allen last season.   We all know that when he came back from his elbow injury, Allen started looking like a real NFL QB.  Also, it was pretty clear last season that all Allen had to do in 2019 was get himself some better receivers and focus more on taking the short completions that the offense was giving him.   It also was clear in the off-season that that was the focus.   The Bills got Brown and Beasley, and McDermott kept saying that the focus was to get Allen to take the easy throw.  It already was obvious he could make those throws, he just wasn't throwing them. 

 

So what's happened this season?   He's throwing the shorter ball, his completion percentage is up, and the Bills offense moves the ball.   Yes, Allen is still learning, as all young QBs do, and that's adding to his improvement, but that was to be expected.   He's smart, hard working, dedicated to his craft.  

 

So, great, people are taking notice.   That's nice.  But I want those people actually to analyze what's going on, and the national media wasn't doing it last season, so the narrative this season is all wrong.   This isn't some miracle we're watching.   It's pretty predictable progress.  

[GoBills808]

Just now, Shaw66 said:

I like that people outside of Bills fans are noticing that Allen is good, but I I still don't like the narrative.   They write about Allen like this is a surprise.

 

Yes, it's true that if you compare this season's numbers to last season's numbers, the numbers are a lot better.   And if you cherry pick them even more, you can make the narrative even better.  

 

It's written that way because no one was paying attention to Allen last season.   We all know that when he came back from his elbow injury, Allen started looking like a real NFL QB.  Also, it was pretty clear last season that all Allen had to do in 2019 was get himself some better receivers and focus more on taking the short completions that the offense was giving him.   It also was clear in the off-season that that was the focus.   The Bills got Brown and Beasley, and McDermott kept saying that the focus was to get Allen to take the easy throw.  It already was obvious he could make those throws, he just wasn't throwing them. 

 

So what's happened this season?   He's throwing the shorter ball, his completion percentage is up, and the Bills offense moves the ball.   Yes, Allen is still learning, as all young QBs do, and that's adding to his improvement, but that was to be expected.   He's smart, hard working, dedicated to his craft.  

 

So, great, people are taking notice.   That's nice.  But I want those people actually to analyze what's going on, and the national media wasn't doing it last season, so the narrative this season is all wrong.   This isn't some miracle we're watching.   It's pretty predictable progress.  

Imo it just confirms the fact that folks generally don’t watch a lot of NFL and the Bills in particular, because I agree that his progress shouldn’t be a huge surprise.

[The Frankish Reich]

16 hours ago, ngbills said:

Not taking anything away from that pass. Fine play indeed. But never like the only so and so can make that play comments. Again great play and awareness stepping up in the pocket, but most QB's in the NFL can make that pass. Dont always do it and neither does Allen, but can. 

Add Wilson, Wentz, Lamar (and maybe sub out late career Rodgers for sidelined Kaepernick?) and you've got a deal.

Deshaun has the elusiveness and vision to get in position to make that throw, but I don't think he has the arm strength to complete it.

Oh, and Fitzy has a weird ability to get in position to make the throw and the huevos to throw it and have it come back as a pick 6.

[Big Gun]

19 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

Next game with winds from the South ! gusting to 30 mph will wreak havok on the passing and kicking games and in ways that are head scratchingly unpredictable.  But the Josh is inaccurate narrative will likely fire up again.

Jackson floats his balls, so hopefully the wind bothers his passes, that would be nice to get a couple of picks.

[ngbills]

17 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

I disagree. There are only a handful of guys with the arm talent to get that throw into that window on the run. Could maybe include Stafford in his day but imo there's no other QBs completing that pass.

 

Most NFL QBs can make that throw if they have time to set their feet and square up on balance. Allen has to duck the DE and jam the ball in that crazy thin margin sidearmed and running...not many guys with that kind of arm.

This is the NFL. Most QB have elite arm talent. Its about using it smartly and consistently. That is why I dont like the one pass shows he can do things no one else can. Go watch every other NFL QB throw passes at practice in games etc. They will all wow you. I played in college and there were QB's that never touched the field that could make amazing throws all the time. 

 

4 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said:

Just wondering if the NG in your profile name is short for negative ?

 

That was a great throw that took awareness to see and a special arm to make

 

Why is that negative. Said it was a great pass. My comment was around the no one else can do this idea. 

[stosh64]

Here is some more love from nfl.com.

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Next Gen Stats: Compelling figures of NFL’s most improved players

Josh Allen silencing his doubters?

Josh Allen was a polarizing QB prospect coming out of Wyoming in 2018, and his rookie season numbers (67.9 passer rating) didn't do him any favors with his doubters. But Allen has shown significant improvement in Year 2, notably in key areas for QB development: inside the tackle box and vs. the blitz. Allen attempted just 76.3% of passes from inside the tackle box in 2018 (second-lowest rate in the NFL), but this season, Allen has increased that figure to 82.8 (seventh-lowest). Despite some chaotic tendencies, Allen's maturation from inside the tackle box has been remarkable (2018: 9 TDs, 9 INTs, 75.9 passer rating; 2019: 12 TDs, 5 INTs, 93.3 passer rating). Allen's split from inside the tackles looks more impressive since Week 5, throwing 10 TDs, 1 INT with a 103.2 rating on such passes. Allen has also improved vs. blitzes (2018: 2 TDs, 4 INTs, 58.1 passer rating; 2019: 8 TDs, 4 INTs, 83.6 passer rating) with a 7:0 TD-INT ratio and 109.0 passer rating vs. the blitz since Week 5.

It seems they always have to get a dig in on Josh for some strange reason.

Why the need to write this?

" Despite some chaotic tendencies,"

Whatever, us Bills fans know, and HAVE known for some time what we have in Josh.  The rest of the Country is now being made aware.