transplantbillsfan 2,218 Posted November 19 (edited) This comparison, I realize, is before Wilson and Cousins take the field tonight, but in most cases statistically those 2 are set in stone ahead or behind Allen: QB Passing attempts 2018: 30th 2019 : 16th QB passing yards per game minimum 150 attempts 2018: 35th 2019: 24th QB Passing TDs 2018: 32nd 2019: 17th (TIE with Carr & Brissett) QB TD % 2018: 31st 2019: 21st (TIE with Carr) QB INT % 2018: 32nd 2019: 19th (TIE with Carr) QB Completion % 2018: 33rd 2019: 27th (TIE with Kyle Allen) QB YPA 2018: 32nd 2019: 20th QB ANY/A 2018: 32nd 2019: 20th Sack % 2018: 26th 2019: 20th QB Passer Rating 2018: 32nd 2019: 20th Those are just his passing stats of course. No, he did not pop into the top half or top 10 of the league. As I know many are aware, I thought he would. I was wrong and can accept that. Already have a couple bets I'll pay up on. But we've clearly seen some legitimate improvements in Allen as a passer this offseason. I don't know how anyone could argue against that. Aside from rankings, the raw improvements individually for him are striking--he may have only gone from 33 to 27th in completion percentage, but going from 52.8% to 61.5% is a huge jump. And there's also, of course, his running stats compared with other QBs QB rushing yards 2018: 2nd 2019: 2nd QB rushing TDs 2018: 1st 2019: 1st QB Total TDs 2018: 25th 2019: 5th ( TIE with Cousins) Edited Tuesday at 09:49 PM by transplantbillsfan 19 2 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TuelTime 229 Posted November 19 23rd in stats, number one in our hearts. 11 11 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Troll Toll 391 Posted November 19 Given this supporting cast, I’m impressed. There’s times where he puts this offense on his back and makes things happen in a way that has been missing since Kelly. Get him a receiver that commands a double team and things will really open up for him. 11 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ethan in Portland 935 Posted November 19 Thanks for the stats. Everyone can see he is getting better. His pendulum has swung a little too far to the conservative side after the Patriots game. Last week he seemed to have the right balance of smart decisions and taking chances. Now just beat Denver. 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr.Sack 490 Posted November 19 7-3 where does that rank him? 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GreggTX 538 Posted November 19 23rd is better than 32nd. True enough, but it's nowhere near good enough. So the real question is how good can he be and how long will it take to get there? Chris Simms said his inaccuracy can be fixed, but we haven't seen that yet. In the meantime, we would do well to keep handing the ball off to Singletary. That worked quite well last Sunday. I still have serious doubts about Josh, but I do like him and want him to succeed. Beane is the one I'm most worried about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joe in Winslow 10,619 Posted November 19 1 minute ago, GreggTX said: 23rd is better than 32nd. True enough, but it's nowhere near good enough. So the real question is how good can he be and how long will it take to get there? Chris Simms said his inaccuracy can be fixed, but we haven't seen that yet. In the meantime, we would do well to keep handing the ball off to Singletary. That worked quite well last Sunday. I still have serious doubts about Josh, but I do like him and want him to succeed. Beane is the one I'm most worried about. You realize, of course, that Josh is on Pace to have similar passing TD numbers to Russell Wilson's first two seasons and that he's doing that with a LOT less surrounding talent? 5 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSBill 961 Posted November 19 43 minutes ago, GreggTX said: 23rd is better than 32nd. True enough, but it's nowhere near good enough. So the real question is how good can he be and how long will it take to get there? Chris Simms said his inaccuracy can be fixed, but we haven't seen that yet. In the meantime, we would do well to keep handing the ball off to Singletary. That worked quite well last Sunday. I still have serious doubts about Josh, but I do like him and want him to succeed. Beane is the one I'm most worried about. Who invited Debbie Downer to the party? 2 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peace Frog 768 Posted November 19 I'm interested in what his QB numbers are going to look like in the post season. That's what I'm talking about! 4 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldmanfan 3,688 Posted November 19 1 hour ago, GreggTX said: 23rd is better than 32nd. True enough, but it's nowhere near good enough. So the real question is how good can he be and how long will it take to get there? Chris Simms said his inaccuracy can be fixed, but we haven't seen that yet. In the meantime, we would do well to keep handing the ball off to Singletary. That worked quite well last Sunday. I still have serious doubts about Josh, but I do like him and want him to succeed. Beane is the one I'm most worried about. Yes we have seen it. His accuracy is fine. Instead of trying to continually justify your pre draft opinion watch the games. 3 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoshAllenHasBigHands 1,332 Posted November 19 1 hour ago, GreggTX said: 23rd is better than 32nd. True enough, but it's nowhere near good enough. So the real question is how good can he be and how long will it take to get there? Chris Simms said his inaccuracy can be fixed, but we haven't seen that yet. In the meantime, we would do well to keep handing the ball off to Singletary. That worked quite well last Sunday. I still have serious doubts about Josh, but I do like him and want him to succeed. Beane is the one I'm most worried about. Is anyone actually arguing his accuracy hasn’t improved? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GunnerBill 8,644 Posted November 19 2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Thanks for the stats. Everyone can see he is getting better. His pendulum has swung a little too far to the conservative side after the Patriots game. Last week he seemed to have the right balance of smart decisions and taking chances. Now just beat Denver. Agree with this. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GunnerBill 8,644 Posted November 19 1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said: You realize, of course, that Josh is on Pace to have similar passing TD numbers to Russell Wilson's first two seasons and that he's doing that with a LOT less surrounding talent? Except he isn't. Russ threw 26 touchdowns each of this first two seasons - that is 52. Josh has thrown 23 touchdowns to this point in his career. To get to the same number as Russ after two seasons he would need to average almost 5 passing touchdowns a game over the final 6 weeks. He did, of course, only start 11 games his rookie year. If you pro-rata Russ's 52 touchdowns over 32 games it is 1.625 per game. If you multiply that by Josh's 27 starts it comes out just under 44, whereas Josh is on pace currently for 35 touchdowns by the end of year 2 so he is still a fair way off. I presume you are throwing in his rushing touchdowns too.... where he has a 10 touchdown lead on Wilson's first two seasons with 6 still to play. His rushing TDs are nice. And they buy him more time as he continues to develop as a Quarterback who can read the field when things happen quicker in the redzone. But at this stage he is decidedly not the passer Russell Wilson or say a Deshaun Watson (another mobile QB) were in their first two years. That is probably to be expected - they played at major colleges and started in big college football games. Josh played at Wyoming in comparison. I'm not correcting you to criticise Josh but the statement on his passing numbers being equal to Wilson's is misleading. 6 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conlan58 129 Posted November 19 I think my favorite stat improvement is the YPA. That means he is finding open receivers more consistently, and putting the ball in a spot where they can make a play. That shows huge improvement - completion percentage could improve with dink and dunk, but ypa goes down usually. I like what i see here - thanks for posting this! 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chandler#81 6,563 Posted November 19 1 hour ago, GreggTX said: 23rd is better than 32nd. True enough, but it's nowhere near good enough. So the real question is how good can he be and how long will it take to get there? Chris Simms said his inaccuracy can be fixed, but we haven't seen that yet. In the meantime, we would do well to keep handing the ball off to Singletary. That worked quite well last Sunday. I still have serious doubts about Josh, but I do like him and want him to succeed. Beane is the one I'm most worried about. Who’s this ‘We’ you’re talking about?😳 I don’t see a pet turtle in your avatar. EVERYONE with even 1 working Eye has seen his accuracy has improved. There’s no indication he’s finished improving either. Make an optometrist appointment today! 🤓 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WideRightRevenge 212 Posted November 19 Hey ... quit posting facts ... he sucks per many on this board ... a bum .. can't do nothing .. redraft a QB in 2020. Sorry .. I ate a snickers .. all good now ... love him ... and love the future with #17 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LABILLBACKER 2,067 Posted November 19 We all knew it would take him longer to develop. This gradual improvement scale is not unexpected. He's hopefully on schedule. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GunnerBill 8,644 Posted November 19 Can I add the number that most pleases me is passing attempts. We are asking and expecting our Quarterback to make plays with his arm. That alone is reason to have some optimism. The Quarterback's primary job is to stand in the pocket and make throws. When Josh is decisive and throws it he is a good Quarterback. When he holds it he is less good. I like the fact the Bills for the most part this season have not tried to hide him. 8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joe in Winslow 10,619 Posted November 19 51 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Except he isn't. Russ threw 26 touchdowns each of this first two seasons - that is 52. Josh has thrown 23 touchdowns to this point in his career. To get to the same number as Russ after two seasons he would need to average almost 5 passing touchdowns a game over the final 6 weeks. He did, of course, only start 11 games his rookie year. If you pro-rata Russ's 52 touchdowns over 32 games it is 1.625 per game. If you multiply that by Josh's 27 starts it comes out just under 44, whereas Josh is on pace currently for 35 touchdowns by the end of year 2 so he is still a fair way off. I presume you are throwing in his rushing touchdowns too.... where he has a 10 touchdown lead on Wilson's first two seasons with 6 still to play. His rushing TDs are nice. And they buy him more time as he continues to develop as a Quarterback who can read the field when things happen quicker in the redzone. But at this stage he is decidedly not the passer Russell Wilson or say a Deshaun Watson (another mobile QB) were in their first two years. That is probably to be expected - they played at major colleges and started in big college football games. Josh played at Wyoming in comparison. I'm not correcting you to criticise Josh but the statement on his passing numbers being equal to Wilson's is misleading. You know, if I could read charts and tables, I'd actually be dangerous 🤦♂️ 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brianmoorman4jesus 2,042 Posted November 19 2018 ypa 32? I thought Allen was like in the top 3 in yards per attempt last year? Are you sure that’s not with the other Bills QBs mixed in? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buffalo Timmy 275 Posted November 19 5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Considering he started 11 games last year but didn't finish the Texans game, maybe this is a good checkpoint: QB Passing attempts 2018: 30th 2019 : 15th QB passing yards per game minimum 150 attempts 2018: 35th 2019: 26th QB Passing TDs 2018: 32nd 2019: 19th QB TD % 2018: 31st 2019: 23rd QB INT % 2018: 32nd 2019: 20th QB Completion % 2018: 33rd 2019: 30th QB YPA 2018: 32nd 2019: 24th QB ANY/A 2018: 32nd 2019: 24th Sack % 2018: 26th 2019: 19th QB Passer Rating 2018: 32nd 2019: 23rd Those are just his passing stats of course. No, he did not pop into the top half or top 10 of the league. As I know many are aware, I thought he would. I was wrong and can accept that. Already have a couple bets I'll pay up on. But we've clearly seen some legitimate improvements in Allen as a passer this offseason. I don't know how anyone could argue against that. And there's also, of course, his running stats compared with other QBs QB rushing yards 2018: 2nd 2019: 3rd QB rushing TDs 2018: 1st 2019: 1st Throwing wise I expected him to be further up the list but I forgot how bad he was his first 5 starts, so his improvement is still good. He is doing what needs to be done without a roster of loaded all Stars on offense, so I am pleased and still have hope. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TPS 1,004 Posted November 19 5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Considering he started 11 games last year but didn't finish the Texans game, maybe this is a good checkpoint: QB Passing attempts 2018: 30th 2019 : 15th QB passing yards per game minimum 150 attempts 2018: 35th 2019: 26th QB Passing TDs 2018: 32nd 2019: 19th QB TD % 2018: 31st 2019: 23rd QB INT % 2018: 32nd 2019: 20th QB Completion % 2018: 33rd 2019: 30th QB YPA 2018: 32nd 2019: 24th QB ANY/A 2018: 32nd 2019: 24th Sack % 2018: 26th 2019: 19th QB Passer Rating 2018: 32nd 2019: 23rd Those are just his passing stats of course. No, he did not pop into the top half or top 10 of the league. As I know many are aware, I thought he would. I was wrong and can accept that. Already have a couple bets I'll pay up on. But we've clearly seen some legitimate improvements in Allen as a passer this offseason. I don't know how anyone could argue against that. And there's also, of course, his running stats compared with other QBs QB rushing yards 2018: 2nd 2019: 3rd QB rushing TDs 2018: 1st 2019: 1st Thanks for those. I have to keep reminding myself that he was viewed by many, of the top 4 picked, as being the least polished but having the most potential. I'm guessing his biggest jump in the stats will happen next year? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buffalo Boy 806 Posted November 19 3 hours ago, GreggTX said: ? Chris Simms said his inaccuracy can be fixed, but we haven't seen that yet. He’s approximately 10% higher in his completions? His short game is much better than last year. I agree that he is not a naturally accurate passer but he is clearly better than last year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billsfan1959 2,323 Posted November 19 59 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Except he isn't. Russ threw 26 touchdowns each of this first two seasons - that is 52. Josh has thrown 23 touchdowns to this point in his career. To get to the same number as Russ after two seasons he would need to average almost 5 passing touchdowns a game over the final 6 weeks. He did, of course, only start 11 games his rookie year. If you pro-rata Russ's 52 touchdowns over 32 games it is 1.625 per game. If you multiply that by Josh's 27 starts it comes out just under 44, whereas Josh is on pace currently for 35 touchdowns by the end of year 2 so he is still a fair way off. I presume you are throwing in his rushing touchdowns too.... where he has a 10 touchdown lead on Wilson's first two seasons with 6 still to play. His rushing TDs are nice. And they buy him more time as he continues to develop as a Quarterback who can read the field when things happen quicker in the redzone. But at this stage he is decidedly not the passer Russell Wilson or say a Deshaun Watson (another mobile QB) were in their first two years. That is probably to be expected - they played at major colleges and started in big college football games. Josh played at Wyoming in comparison. I'm not correcting you to criticise Josh but the statement on his passing numbers being equal to Wilson's is misleading. Always respect your opinion Gunner; however, I would say Allen is much closer to what Wilson was in his first two years than not. Allen is on pace this year to finish with 3480 yds, 21 TDs, 11 INTs, and 11 Rushing TDs Wilson in his second year finished with 3357 yds, 26 TDs, 09 INTs, and 01 Rushing TDs It is truly hard to compare Allen's first year with Wilson's first year. Allen started only 11 games to Wilson's 16. Allen was asked to carry a team with no running game and arguably bottom 3 talent at WR and OL. Wilson was asked to manage a team with the number one rushing game and a defense that was not only #1 in the league, but also great at forcing turnovers and creating good field position for the offense. As far as the rushing TDs go, I think it is a bit unfair to equate that to Josh having an inability to process the field quicker in the redzone. I would agree with you that was the case last year, but not so much at this point. I think it is more a product of a lack of real ability by receivers to get open in the redzone, trust in them to make contested catches, and confidence in his ability to make plays with his feet inside the 10 yard line. Wilson also had, perhaps, the best power rushing game inside the 10 yard line in the league, which, IMO, opened things up for his receivers a bit more. While he may not have the same number of passing TDs over his first two years as Wilson, I would say, given everything else, he is closer right now to what Wilson was in his second year than you think. 8 1 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Allen2Moulds 81 Posted November 19 We all know he's taken a pretty good step this year, but all that matters is a W in the win column. Also he has an additional 7 tds on the ground. That's 20tds in 10 games. On pace for 32tds, not to shabby. That has to put him in the top 10 I'm guessing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
