Whatnot78 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 47 minutes ago, Foxx said: https://twitter.com/AKA_RealDirty/status/1204405284137046016 I see bribery and quid pro quo are no longer the choice words... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 53 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I'm not even bothering to watch. This is predetermined, so why give them the air time? I gotta tell ya, politics is an ugly business. There is no way I could ever be a politician. As the Democrats are manufacturing some impeachment nonsense, Trump and the House are also doing defense funding (including space force), the USMCA is about to be ratified, and now they all have to work together to avoid another government shutdown, and they will! I could not do it. I could not work with people who have threatened my family, lied about me, and made my job as difficult as possible for the last three years. And not even for some great philosophical reason - such as making the United States a better place! Oh no, this all comes down to money. The graft-machine has been cut off by President Trump, and the howling monkeys in Congress just do not like that. And this also has made me question... if 'everyone' knows this impeachment nonsense goes nowhere, and they are all continuing to work on funding bills (and other legislation), why do it? Bread and circus for their base? Make Trump miserable? Distracting from the OIG findings (regardless of the press trying to play the "mistakes were made" card, that report was damning for (ex) top-tier FBI officials)? Distracting from possible Durham/Barr indictments? Politics are pretty dirty on the local level as well. A cousin was approached to run for a town highway supervisor office and declined as he knew he was expected to let equipment out of the building for those who supported him in running to use in their own businesses had he won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 It really isn’t supposed to be like this but this is what happens when one side simply won’t accept the results of an election. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: It really isn’t supposed to be like this but this is what happens when one side simply won’t accept the results of an election. I demand to see the birth certificate of candidates I don't like. Trump acted badly and not how I want my executive to act. He deserves to be slapped around. Impeachment, especially one doomed to fail, is a massive waste of what could otherwise be useful energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: It really isn’t supposed to be like this but this is what happens when one side simply won’t accept the results of an election. The Republicans impeached Bill Clinton over far more frivolous means because they hated him so much. Trump admitted to various acts that violated laws and if the Dems were smart could get him on violations of emoluments too. It turns out politics is a dirty business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Just now, John Adams said: I demand to see the birth certificate of candidates I don't like. Trump acted badly and not how I want my executive to act. He deserves to be slapped around. Impeachment, especially one doomed to fail, is a massive waste of what could otherwise be useful energy. You do realize Trump wasn’t in elected office when he wanted to see the birth certificate, right? Man that’s weak! Just now, billsfan89 said: The Republicans impeached Bill Clinton over far more frivolous means because they hated him so much. Trump admitted to various acts that violated laws and if the Dems were smart could get him on violations of emoluments too. It turns out politics is a dirty business. Clinton was guilty as sin! He lost his law license. Geez this is getting to be silly! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: You do realize Trump wasn’t in elected office when he wanted to see the birth certificate, right? Man that’s weak! I wasn't referring to Trump except that he was also a birther when he didn't like Obama's election. So that answered your observation, "It really isn’t supposed to be like this but this is what happens when one side simply won’t accept the results of an election." Edited December 10, 2019 by John Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) i don't really consider this to be ironic that, on the very next day they offer up an article of impeachment based upon... abuse of power. more like it is moronic. https://twitter.com/GOPChairwoman/status/1204112550260092929 Edited December 10, 2019 by Foxx 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, John Adams said: I wasn't referring to Trump except that he was also a birther when he didn't like Obama's election. So that answered your observation, "It really isn’t supposed to be like this but this is what happens when one side simply won’t accept the results of an election." Oh brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, John Adams said: I demand to see the birth certificate of candidates I don't like. Trump acted badly and not how I want my executive to act. He deserves to be slapped around. Impeachment, especially one doomed to fail, is a massive waste of what could otherwise be useful energy. ahh but it is not a total waste, the Dems are going to pay dearly at the voting booth for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 9 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: The Republicans impeached Bill Clinton over far more frivolous means because they hated him so much. Trump admitted to various acts that violated laws and if the Dems were smart could get him on violations of emoluments too. It turns out politics is a dirty business. then republicans voted against conviction in the Senate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Clinton was guilty as sin! He lost his law license. Geez this is getting to be silly! I thought the Clinton impeachment was woefully silly...but at leas t it met an evidentiary stabdard greater than fourth-hand gossip. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) Just now, DC Tom said: I thought the Clinton impeachment was woefully silly...but at leas t it met an evidentiary stabdard greater than fourth-hand gossip. yes, convicted of perjury before a grand jury, while the President, is a 100% level of evidence Edited December 10, 2019 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 If Obstruction of Congress is an impeachable offense, does that mean most member of Congress should be impeached? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: The Republicans impeached Bill Clinton over far more frivolous means because they hated him so much. Trump admitted to various acts that violated laws and if the Dems were smart could get him on violations of emoluments too. It turns out politics is a dirty business. It was a bad idea then. It is a bad idea now. I don't think comparing whether the charges are frivolous or not is relevant. I will say that this "Obstruction of Congress" article is absolutely stupid. Schiff said what Trump is doing (regarding obstruction) in "unprecedented" but I recall a prior administration ignoring and blowing off Congressional subpoenas.. I also think that if the Democrats in Congress say that this is an "investigation" up until now, then they can't complain that the person they're investigating didn't HELP them. How stupid is that?? One of the "legal experts" said in his testimony last week that it isn't "obstruction" of anything until a Court requires Trump to produce evidence and witnesses. They were talking about why there are only two Articles. The reason is that Pelosi couldn't get support for more charges from her Democrat Members in districts that are on shaky ground for re-election. And don't you think that they would have tried emoluments, or Trump Foundation, or Russian hoax, or ANYTHING a lot earlier if they had anything to stick on him? As it is, these two Articles are weak. No reason to put more weak charges on top. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, DC Tom said: I thought the Clinton impeachment was woefully silly...but at leas t it met an evidentiary stabdard greater than fourth-hand gossip. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Foxx said: ahh but it is not a total waste, the Dems are going to pay dearly at the voting booth for it. I expect Trump will lose by a larger margin in the popular and win by about the same in the electoral. The big wins would come in Congress where Rs are coming out to vote for Trump and cast straight ballots. I haven't paid enough attention to what seats are up yet in the Senate. The big D turnout may help them. Edited December 10, 2019 by John Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 31 minutes ago, Foxx said: ahh but it is not a total waste, the Dems are going to pay dearly at the voting booth for it. Honestly, I think they're thinking that (1) they may lose some House seats but not the majority; and (2) they may pick up some Senate seats because they can play on the fact that Trump won't get convicted, and (3) some strange thing happens and the Senate convicts. And I don't think Pelosi is fully on board, but she's being pushed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Has anyone seen the schedule so that we know when the House Judicial Minority Hearing is? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Has anyone seen the schedule so that we know when the House Judicial Minority Hearing is? That was the first thing I thought of when I heard the news this morning. How awful is it that Congress can issue an Article for obstructing their investigation when they don't even follow their own rules. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 Oops. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Foxx Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 38 minutes ago, snafu said: Honestly, I think they're thinking that (1) they may lose some House seats but not the majority; and (2) they may pick up some Senate seats because they can play on the fact that Trump won't get convicted, and (3) some strange thing happens and the Senate convicts. And I don't think Pelosi is fully on board, but she's being pushed. regarding #3... i believe they D's and R's are just opposite wings of the same bird and as such, this is my biggest fear. they will roll out something or perhaps do a back ally run and vote to remove him. universe help us if they do that because i truly think we will see the beginnings of a shooting war in the streets. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dubs Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) The further the Dems press the more they expose themselves. This is all a blessing in disguise. They’ve essentially made the bet that there are enough stupid people in this country to pull over a fast one. All chips are in the middle. Let’s go! Edited December 10, 2019 by dubs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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snafu Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, Foxx said: regarding #3... i believe they D's and R's are just opposite wings of the same bird and as such, this is my biggest fear. they will roll out something or perhaps do a back ally run and vote to remove him. universe help us if they do that because i truly think we will see the beginnings of a shooting war in the streets. Yup -- could happen. I should put a wacky theory in the "Not Crazy/Crazy" thread. Something like the day after the new Kentucky Governor gets sworn in, a big scandal against Mitch McConnell hits and he's removed form office and replaced by a Democrat (because D Gov). I know that wouldn't make his replacement the Speaker, but something like that would be a strange coincidence. But I don't wear tinfoil -- this is just speculation. It would be truly odd if there was violence in support of the President that the President/Federal Government has to suppress. There's a strong likelihood of political violence some day. This could be it. It might be the 2020 election results. Who knows. Personally, I don't think it will happen until after the economy turns to ***** again. People with jobs and food don't usually fight strictly for partisan reasons. 21 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Yeah, Schiff said something like: if we don't do this now then we're telling the American people that we are allowing the President to cheat on the elections AGAIN. What a shameless jerk. No collusion per Mueller. No collusion per Crossfire Hurricane investigation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 23 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I cannot imagine why the Democrats want the Ukraine scandal anywhere near a national audience of hearings in the Senate. Simply crazy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 51 minutes ago, Foxx said: regarding #3... i believe they D's and R's are just opposite wings of the same bird and as such, this is my biggest fear. they will roll out something or perhaps do a back ally run and vote to remove him. universe help us if they do that because i truly think we will see the beginnings of a shooting war in the streets. You guys and your dark fantasies. Filling your biological need to find threats, you find them where they are not. Go eat a full meal, watch TV, drink clean water from the tap, take a drive in your car, go for a walk in safety...etc. Be grateful for what we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, John Adams said: You guys and your dark fantasies. Filling your biological need to find threats, you find them where they are not. Go eat a full meal, watch TV, drink clean water from the tap, take a drive in your car, go for a walk in safety...etc. Be grateful for what we have. Really, "watch TV" is the only one of those I can do. "Take a walk in safety?" In DC? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 38 minutes ago, John Adams said: You guys and your dark fantasies. Filling your biological need to find threats, you find them where they are not. Go eat a full meal, watch TV, drink clean water from the tap, take a drive in your car, go for a walk in safety...etc. Be grateful for what we have. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Foxx Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: un*****ing real. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 BYRON YORK: It’s official: The dossier was malarkey. The reporting did terrible damage to a new president as he took office. And now, the Horowitz report definitively shows that it was all garbage. The report makes clear the dossier never had even a shred of credibility. Steele had no firsthand knowledge of anything in the document. He got all his information secondhand or thirdhand from sources who themselves heard things secondhand or thirdhand. Read the whole thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, snafu said: Yup -- could happen. I should put a wacky theory in the "Not Crazy/Crazy" thread. Something like the day after the new Kentucky Governor gets sworn in, a big scandal against Mitch McConnell hits and he's removed form office and replaced by a Democrat (because D Gov). I know that wouldn't make his replacement the Speaker, but something like that would be a strange coincidence. But I don't wear tinfoil -- this is just speculation. It would be truly odd if there was violence in support of the President that the President/Federal Government has to suppress. There's a strong likelihood of political violence some day. This could be it. It might be the 2020 election results. Who knows. Personally, I don't think it will happen until after the economy turns to ***** again. People with jobs and food don't usually fight strictly for partisan reasons. ... some might say it has already started... https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1204467623452434438 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK9xzvi9yXk&feature=emb_logo Edited December 10, 2019 by Foxx 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 hour ago, John Adams said: You guys and your dark fantasies. Filling your biological need to find threats, you find them where they are not. Go eat a full meal, watch TV, drink clean water from the tap, take a drive in your car, go for a walk in safety...etc. Be grateful for what we have. And yet here you are doing the same thing for your cultist leaders. lol. name still sucks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 What I truly don’t understand is that the Dems know that the Senate has already rejected this sham with a sledgehammer, yet they wanna waste everyone’s time with this frivolous garbage. I simply don’t understand. So, then I guess it will ok for Republicans to impeach a Democratic President in the future based on NOTHING? I would bash that too. Is this where we are as a society? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoCal Deek Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 minute ago, njbuff said: What I truly don’t understand is that the Dems know that the Senate has already rejected this sham with a sledgehammer, yet they wanna waste everyone’s time with this frivolous garbage. I simply don’t understand. So, then I guess it will ok for Republicans to impeach a Democratic President in the future based on NOTHING? I would bash that too. Is this where we are as a society? You have to remember who you’re dealing with. Nancy is a nut and barely coherent anymore. We all have to pass impeachment to know what’s in it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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