OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Just now, DC Tom said: "This board is not a court of law, so stop arguing with me when I make legal arguments!" ...sorry...I AM an idiot....it's self inflicted............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) ~1 hour and 30 minutes away from the next round of the Impeachment charade. https://www.house.gov/legislative-activity Quote Markup: H. Res. 755 Articles of Impeachment Against President Donald J. Trump 7:00 PM | 1100 Longworth HOB Host: Committee on the Judiciary I believe I heard that every single member of the committee gets an opening statement, so expect this to adjourn and begin again tomorrow. Although, there will probably also be another rule change and the minority will not be allowed to speak at all... Over/Under on how much Jerry drools during this: 1 quart Edited December 11, 2019 by Hedge 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Hedge said: ~1 hour and 30 minutes away from the next round of the Impeachment charade. https://www.house.gov/legislative-activity I believe I heard that every single member of the committee gets an opening statement, so expect this to adjourn and begin again tomorrow. Although, there will probably also be another rule change and the minority will not be allowed to speak at all... Over/Under on how much Jerry drools during this: 1 quart ...Nadler or Jones?......BOTH are victims of themselves...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 11, 2019 Author Share Posted December 11, 2019 Keep calling... it's working. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Hedge said: ~1 hour and 30 minutes away from the next round of the Impeachment charade. https://www.house.gov/legislative-activity I believe I heard that every single member of the committee gets an opening statement, so expect this to adjourn and begin again tomorrow. Although, there will probably also be another rule change and the minority will not be allowed to speak at all... Over/Under on how much Jerry drools during this: 1 quart the Senate hearing today must have hurt them badly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Ted Lieu missing from the House Impeachment mark up hearing. apparently he is in the hospital with an emergency. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Foxx said: Ted Lieu missing from the House Impeachment mark up hearing. apparently he is in the hospital with an emergency. Had chest pains, now in surgery. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, billsfan89 said: Once again you are being purposefully dense to state that context to which allowable actions are conducted are irrelevant. Once again, laws are done under context of actions. You are allowed to fire someone, can you fire them for being Asian? There are laws and regulations to which you can use your authority. 1.) Mueller isn't Asian. 2.) Firing Mueller for continuing a partisan investigation that the investigators knew had no basis in reality is not a crime. 3.) Firing Mueller for being Asian (or, you know, continuing a sham investigation solely as a perjury/obstruction/process crime trap) is still not a ***** crime. If you want to continue with this "crime" stupidity, quote the statute he violated. 2 hours ago, DC Tom said: "This board is not a court of law, so stop arguing with me when I make legal arguments!" "…ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense! Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests " Edited December 12, 2019 by Koko78 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, Koko78 said: 1.) Mueller isn't Asian. 2.) Firing Mueller for continuing a partisan investigation that the investigators knew had no basis in reality is not a crime. 3.) Firing Mueller for being Asian (or, you know, continuing a sham investigation solely as a perjury/obstruction/process crime trap) is still not a ***** crime. If you want to continue with this "crime" stupidity, quote the statute he violated. "…ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense! Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests " You should mentor John Adams regarding courtroom manner and show him what a magical defense consists of. I know that's a lot to ask but Perry Mason reruns just aren't doing it for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 hours ago, billsfan89 said: You are being purposefully dense. I am not saying that Trump was convicted of a crime. I am saying he committed it. Did Bill Clinton commit perjury despite the fact he was never charged with that crime. This is a message board not a court of law. I don't think it is a stretch to look at the Muller report confirming the story of Trump ordering McGahn to fire Muller as Trump attempting to obstruct an investigation. There is no other supposition to make. Mueller wasn't fired. No crime committed. Trump could yell and scream and ponder firing him all he wants. Meaningless, not to mention Trump had the authority to do so. Now if Trump would have fired Mueller sometime in 2018 after Mueller and his crew knew that no conspiracy between Americans and Russians had occurred and due to Mueller's refusal at that point to end the probe, Trump would have been very justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 So Fox has Tucker on and CNN has the Impeachment proceedings on. I feel dirty. Just wanted to listen to some on the vitrol for a while Deutch says we need to 'Impeach for his children". I may not last long... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DC Tom Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: Had chest pains, now in surgery. Oh, suck it up, buttercup. Chest pains. Ignore them and do your job, like a real man. (Are chest pains bad? Should I do something about mine?) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Deranged Rhino Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 Haven't listened to this one yet, I just expect it to be hilarious. (for better and worse) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 14 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: The will of the people? Ahem... "BUT HILLARY WON THE POPULAR VOTE!!!!!!!" Honestly, I'm surprised Democrats haven't tried to justify impeachment by arguing it's just a nullification of the undemocratic and racist Electoral College. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Haven't listened to this one yet, I just expect it to be hilarious. (for better and worse) "Fact-free impeachment". Jim Jordan was trying not to laugh his ass off. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Koko78 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: Well, that's easily explainable: The Republicans were pouncing, without evidence, and even though Obama somehow didn't endanger national security when he outright refused to send lethal aid to Ukraine, Trump must be impeached for putting us all at grave risk of a Russian invasion while abusing his power to extort a bribe for personal political gain. Also, Eric Holder is a goddamn hero for obstructing Congress. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John Adams Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 17 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: I call people who refuse to think for themselves don't agree with me NPCs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 18 hours ago, billsfan89 said: All my point was that Trump much like Bill Clinton did technically commit a crime on two fronts, one is obstruction in the Russia probe and the other was a campaign finance law violation soliciting political help from Ukraine outside of the Justice Department. But much like the Clinton Impeachment Trump's crimes do not (Based off what we know so far, I would love to see Bolton and others testify before making a definitive conclusion) rise to the levels of being removed from office. But you guys are such a sycophantic echo chamber in the pocket of Trump that any mild criticism of the dear leader and criticism of Republicans comes with an onslaught of purposefully dense thinking, whataboutisms. bad faith interpretations and hack right wing Trump defense talking points. You go around calling everyone NPC's yet 80% of people here think exactly the same. Yes because at will employees can be fired based off their race? It's not like there are regulations. Wait... Clinton actually committed a crime. Trump didn’t. These thing are not the same. People are are calling you out because you’re not being accurate in what you assert. It doesn’t have to do with being sycophantic to any person, but making sure that there is truth in what people think. Love Trump or hate him, doesn’t have anything to do with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 18 hours ago, billsfan89 said: All my point was that Trump much like Bill Clinton did technically commit a crime on two fronts, one is obstruction in the Russia probe and the other was a campaign finance law violation soliciting political help from Ukraine outside of the Justice Department. But much like the Clinton Impeachment Trump's crimes do not (Based off what we know so far, I would love to see Bolton and others testify before making a definitive conclusion) rise to the levels of being removed from office. You can't say Trump technically committed a crime. Clinton did. Trump allegedly did, though the groupthink here thinks not. 18 hours ago, billsfan89 said: But you guys are such a sycophantic echo chamber in the pocket of Trump that any mild criticism of the dear leader and criticism of Republicans comes with an onslaught of purposefully dense thinking, whataboutisms. bad faith interpretations and hack right wing Trump defense talking points. You go around calling everyone NPC's yet 80% of people here think exactly the same. Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 "Only"! — "Dem leaders see only handful of defections on impeachment." The news isn't "only a handful" — it's that there are defections.The story is at Politico. Democratic leaders are privately expecting no more than a half-dozen defections on next week’s vote to impeach President Donald Trump, even as many of their most endangered lawmakers remain publicly mum on their decision.... The same story at WaPo is "House Democrats brace for some defections among moderates on impeachment of Trump." Lawmakers and senior aides are privately predicting they will lose more than the two Democrats who opposed the impeachment inquiry rules package in late September, according to multiple officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to talk frankly. Two senior Democratic aides said the total could be as many as a half-dozen, while a third said the number could be higher. So... Politico says "no more than a half-dozen" and WaPo has 2 sources who say that and one who says "could be higher." . 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Pelosi says leadership won't pressure moderates to back impeachment https://thehill.com/homenews/house/474279-pelosi-says-leadership-wont-pressure-moderates-to-back-impeachment 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, B-Man said: Pelosi says leadership won't pressure moderates to back impeachment https://thehill.com/homenews/house/474279-pelosi-says-leadership-wont-pressure-moderates-to-back-impeachment ...I trust her.....after all, she IS a practicing Catholic...................... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 It’s pretty remarkable how fast this whole thing fell apart. I mean, not to people who’ve been paying attention, but all the NPCs heads must be spinning. it’ll be a fun game to guess what the next iteration of the resistance will be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Foxx Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: holy *****. he just can't be serious. he doesn't have to schedule the hearing before the mark-up?? really??? Edited December 12, 2019 by Foxx 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 41 minutes ago, dubs said: It’s pretty remarkable how fast this whole thing fell apart. I mean, not to people who’ve been paying attention, but all the NPCs heads must be spinning. it’ll be a fun game to guess what the next iteration of the resistance will be. left doesn't care, everything is a hassle about POWER to them, no matter how puny or silly the POWER is in a situation so being smashed down with no evidence doesn't phase them one bit at all 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, B-Man said: "Only"! — "Dem leaders see only handful of defections on impeachment." The news isn't "only a handful" — it's that there are defections.The story is at Politico. Democratic leaders are privately expecting no more than a half-dozen defections on next week’s vote to impeach President Donald Trump, even as many of their most endangered lawmakers remain publicly mum on their decision.... The same story at WaPo is "House Democrats brace for some defections among moderates on impeachment of Trump." Lawmakers and senior aides are privately predicting they will lose more than the two Democrats who opposed the impeachment inquiry rules package in late September, according to multiple officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to talk frankly. Two senior Democratic aides said the total could be as many as a half-dozen, while a third said the number could be higher. So... Politico says "no more than a half-dozen" and WaPo has 2 sources who say that and one who says "could be higher." . Good. Showing some backbone vs the party machine. Edited December 12, 2019 by John Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, Foxx said: holy *****. he just can't be serious. he doesn't have to schedule the hearing before the mark-up?? really??? Jerry The Hutt to the prisoner: We'll let you submit your DNA after we execute you. 59 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...I trust her.....after all, she IS a practicing Catholic...................... She needs more practice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, John Adams said: Good. Showing some backbone vs the party machine. lol, yeah... a handful of defections to the party line that is not going to change a damn thing... that'll show 'em gosh darn it! wake up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Foxx said: lol, yeah... a handful of defections to the party line that is not going to change a damn thing... that'll show 'em gosh darn it! wake up. Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line. Applaud the defectors, especially when they do the right thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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