Gmfb - Pats best D ever

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, TheProcess said:

Obviously, Belichick’s evil genius preparation helps, but it’s amazing to me what he’s doing with mostly a bunch of nobodies. Yes, you’ve got Gilmore, Hightower, and the good McCourty brother, but most everyone else seems like just a name. No dominant pass rusher. Purely, cohesion and out preparing their opponents. It’s impressive, but incredibly frustrating we didn’t take that first game. 

 

Beli has always done it this way. 

 

Good role players up front and some high end secondary talent.

 

Particularly the pass defense scheme.

 

What helps him is the dearth of talented QBs in the NFL. 

[Blank Stare]

32 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

All due respect, that argument makes no sense at all. 

 

Van noy was traded.  He was drafted 40th by the Lions.  Played on awful Defenses there that still suck.  He's a stud in NE--commensurate with his draft position (everyone had him as a top 5 LB).

 

Collins (and All Pro and Pro Bowler) was traded to the Browns for a 3rd. After a 2018 season where he had 16 starts, 104 tackles, 4 sacks, FF, Int---and the goofball Browns released him back into the welcoming arms of BB. 

 

They are very good players playing for the best coach ever.  But they are still out there playing the game. 

 

By your logic, Hyde, Poyer, Hughes, Alexander, Philips, Poyer are all from the 'trash heap" too, right? 

 

 

Stop it dude. Van Noy was discarded by the Lions. Collins by the Pats and Browns. Chung by the Eagles. Like it or not they were discarded. These guys are not superstars. If you can’t see that it’s Belicheck’s coaching, then I don’t know what to tell you. 
 

By your logic, I guess Danny Shelton is a “stud” because he was drafted in the first round by the Browns and traded to NE. 

Edited October 22, 2019 by TheProcess

[Yav]

49 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Esentially 9 points (blocked punt).  We moved the ball.  "Granted" fyi

Correct. As bad as the Bills offense has appeared (in regards to scoring points and slow starts) they really did push that "Greatest" NE D around and I honestly think if the Bills would have committed to running the ball down NE throats they would have exposed them and the Bill would have rolled NE in that game. They are good but calling them great is a stretch. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

4 minutes ago, Yav said:

Correct. As bad as the Bills offense has appeared (in regards to scoring points and slow starts) they really did push that "Greatest" NE D around and I honestly think if the Bills would have committed to running the ball down NE throats they would have exposed them and the Bill would have rolled NE in that game. They are good but calling them great is a stretch. 

I also think if Allen doesnt get knocked out, they win!

[TheFunPolice]

That collection of guys did not become a 85 Bears level defense

 

Let's review their dominance "going back to last season's playoff run"

 

Chiefs: NE gave up 31 points in the 2nd half once Andy Reid made adjustments. Mahomes also overthrew a wide open WR in the 1st half that should have been 7. Either way, Dee Ford lines up onsides and KC is in the Super Bowl and almost definitely wins. 

 

Rams: Goff is average at best, and their best 2 offensive players didn't play. McVay stood there like a zombie and just watched his team get crushed. 

 

2019

 

Here are the QBs they've played:

 

Week 1: big Ben with a busted elbow and nobody to throw to

Week 2 : Fitzpatrick/Rosen

Week 3: Luke Falk

Week 4: Josh Allen

Week 5: Colt McCoy

Week 6: Daniel Jones (no Barkley, no TE, no top WR)

Week 7: Sam Darnold

 

Allen and Darnold are young QBs with flaws. Other than that, the 2019 opposition has been a joke AND also teams have been missing players on top of that. 

 

I'm not ready to crown them the 85 Bears. 

 

 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

2 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

That collection of guys did not become a 85 Bears level defense

 

Let's review their dominance "going back to last season's playoff run"

 

Chiefs: NE gave up 31 points in the 2nd half once Andy Reid made adjustments. Mahomes also overthrew a wide open WR in the 1st half that should have been 7. Either way, Dee Ford lines up onsides and KC is in the Super Bowl and almost definitely wins. 

 

Rams: Goff is average at best, and their best 2 offensive players didn't play. McVay stood there like a zombie and just watched his team get crushed. 

 

2019

 

Here are the QBs they've played:

 

Week 1: big Ben with a busted elbow and nobody to throw to

Week 2 : Fitzpatrick/Rosen

Week 3: Luke Falk

Week 4: Josh Allen

Week 5: Colt McCoy

Week 6: Daniel Jones (no Barkley, no TE, no top WR)

Week 7: Sam Darnold

 

Allen and Darnold are young QBs with flaws. Other than that, the 2019 opposition has been a joke AND also teams have been missing players on top of that. 

 

I'm not ready to crown them the 85 Bears. 

the bolded speaks volumes to those who really believe they're the best ever.

[TheFunPolice]

1 minute ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

the bolded speaks volumes to those who really believe they're the best ever.

 

I am 100% okay with it. Build the evil guys up so when the good guys triumph it's all the more sweet!

 

It's the script of every superhero movie, and we're the guys in red white and blue. 

[PatsFanNH]

2 hours ago, TheProcess said:

Obviously, Belichick’s evil genius preparation helps, but it’s amazing to me what he’s doing with mostly a bunch of nobodies. Yes, you’ve got Gilmore, Hightower, and the good McCourty brother, but most everyone else seems like just a name. No dominant pass rusher. Purely, cohesion and out preparing their opponents. It’s impressive, but incredibly frustrating we didn’t take that first game. 

I agree with no big name pass rushers since Bennett was suspended and benched.  But damn they are getting there second in sacks in the NFL and leading the league in INT by a HUGE margin. 
 

the Secondary is really good Gilmore, Jackson, Jones, and McCourt at CB. With Chung and D McCourty at safety.  ( Jackson is actually grading out higher than Gilmore three 6 weeks.. not sure after all the Penalties on him last night though.) The back end is stacked and was built for teams like KC with so much WR Talent. The front 7 has Collins and Hightower  the rest are really no names.

 

i day they finish top 3.. I am not really afraid of Lamar Jackson, and KC is beatable, the Texans scare me the most of those left. Great QB, good D.. 

[TheFunPolice]

Texans could be for real this time around, but if Mahomes gets healthy and by some chance Watkins is healthy KC is close to unstoppable. 

 

Mahomes has been playing with a messed up ankle for weeks now. This could be a blessing in disguise for them. 

 

ALSO, if KC loses a few but wins their division, they might be low seed and go to NE in the divisional round. 

Edited October 22, 2019 by TheFunPolice

[Blank Stare]

12 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

I agree with no big name pass rushers since Bennett was suspended and benched.  But damn they are getting there second in sacks in the NFL and leading the league in INT by a HUGE margin. 
 

the Secondary is really good Gilmore, Jackson, Jones, and McCourt at CB. With Chung and D McCourty at safety.  ( Jackson is actually grading out higher than Gilmore three 6 weeks.. not sure after all the Penalties on him last night though.) The back end is stacked and was built for teams like KC with so much WR Talent. The front 7 has Collins and Hightower  the rest are really no names.

 

i day they finish top 3.. I am not really afraid of Lamar Jackson, and KC is beatable, the Texans scare me the most of those left. Great QB, good D.. 

 

Yeah man, it’s incredible what you guys do. Year in and year out. No matter what, you keep rolling and put pressure on the league. I’d hoped we’d gain on you a bit this year. I think we have a little, but you guys just moved the goal line out on us a little more showing NE is still top dog. Personally, and I know this is extreme, but as long as you stay healthy, I don’t see you losing in the regular season. Sure, you’ll get challenged and there may be some close ones, but AFC is so watered down and you guys always seem to have an answer. Pains me to say it and I hope I’m wrong! ?

Edited October 22, 2019 by TheProcess

[QCity]

25 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

 

Here are the QBs they've played:

 

Week 1: big Ben with a busted elbow and nobody to throw to

Week 2 : Fitzpatrick/Rosen

Week 3: Luke Falk

Week 4: Josh Allen

Week 5: Colt McCoy

Week 6: Daniel Jones (no Barkley, no TE, no top WR)

Week 7: Sam Darnold

 

 

 

 

...and there's your answer.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

Their defense leads the league thus far this season and shut out the "powerful" Jets last night.  This makes them the best defense ever?  I think not.  This reminds me of an article many years ago about Eric Davis, center fielder in the '80s for the Cincinnati Reds.  He was a tremendous hitter and athlete and accomplished such things as hitting three grand slams in a single month.  The article stated that he'd go down in history as being better than Babe Ruth, among others.  Well, injuries got the best of Davis and he wound up with a career .269 batting average and 282 home runs.  Accordingly, let's give the Pats defense some time before anointing them.

[PatsFanNH]

13 minutes ago, TheProcess said:

 

Yeah man, it’s incredible what you guys do. Year in and year out. No matter what, you keep rolling and put pressure on the league. I’d hoped we’d gain on you a bit this year. I think we have a little, but you guys just moved the goal line out on us a little more showing NE is still top dog. Personally, and I know this is extreme, but as long as you stay healthy, I don’t see you losing in the regular season. Sure, you’ll get challenged and there may be some close ones, but AFC is so watered down and you guys always seem to have an answer. Pains me to say it and I hope I’m wrong! ?

The Bills are the 2nd best team in the AFC IMO. I actually think the fact you pulled out Sunday’s game showed that the Bills turned a corner. I mean usually that’s a game the Bills lose and this board is losing its mind for the next week. 
 

Pats have strengthened their O and for some reason I am expecting Bennett be traded for another O piece.. (preferably a Left tackle that can block) 

[Capco]

2 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

So.... How many teams with a winning record has the Pats beaten??   1 right? 

 

How many teams with a winning record did the 85 Bears beat?

[PatsFanNH]

3 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

Their defense leads the league thus far this season and shut out the "powerful" Jets last night.  This makes them the best defense ever?  I think not.  This reminds me of an article many years ago about Eric Davis, center fielder in the '80s for the Cincinnati Reds.  He was a tremendous hitter and athlete and accomplished such things as hitting three grand slams in a single month.  The article stated that he'd go down in history as being better than Babe Ruth, among others.  Well, injuries got the best of Davis and he wound up with a career .269 batting average and 282 home runs.  Accordingly, let's give the Pats defense some time before anointing them.

I don’t expect them be best ever, but I think they are the best in the NFL right now, followed by your Bills.  I hate the argument “they've gone up against garbage”  well they may be bad but they aren’t just beating them they are humiliating them with how they are being shut down.  For example:

 

Jets avg:  10 points.  Got: 0

Dolphins avg: 10 points.  Got: 0

Bills Avg: 20 points Got: 10

Redskins avg: 12.9. Got: 7

Giants Avg:  18.9. Got 14

steelers Avg: 20.5. Got 3

 

total avg: 14.61.  Gave up: 6.28

 

so only thing I left out was the 14 the Jets got from Special teams and an INT since that doesn’t count against the D. (Well at least not in fantasy lol)  but you can see they are smothering these teams a lot more than anyone else.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, TheProcess said:

Stop it dude. Van Noy was discarded by the Lions. Collins by the Pats and Browns. Chung by the Eagles. Like it or not they were discarded. These guys are not superstars. If you can’t see that it’s Belicheck’s coaching, then I don’t know what to tell you. 
 

By your logic, I guess Danny Shelton is a “stud” because he was drafted in the first round by the Browns and traded to NE. 

 

Every player on the Bills I mentioned was discarded.  So they were all resurrected by the supernatural coaching of McD and Leslie Frasier?  You're making no sense.  Players get offloaded all the time.  Good ones thrive elsewhere-especially on better teams.

 

I never said that they are "superstars", so save your breath endlessly repeating that.  On that D, they are studs.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

40 minutes ago, Capco said:

How many teams with a winning record did the 85 Bears beat?

 

1985 Chicago Bears season

 

pats* - 11-5

 

redskins - 10-6

 

49ers - 10-6

 

cowgirls - 10-6

 

fins - 12-4

 

jets - 11-5

 

looks like 6 with a winning record.

 

The defense led the league in points allowed (198), yards allowed (4,135) and takeaways (54), a feat that wouldn’t be accomplished again until the 2013 Seattle Seahawks defense.

[K-9]

“Best ever“ arguments are futile. Everything is relative. 
 

What can’t be argued is that this Pateiots*** defense is performing at a historical level. Argue all you want about “best ever this” or “ best ever that”, but it misses the point that this Pats*** defense is in the discussion when it comes to the best defenses in history. They have a seat at the table. 

 

To this point of the season, anyway.. They have 9 games left and while I don’t think there’s any chance they don’t keep up their level of play, lots of weird crap can happen. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

They have faced 7 different NFL Offenses----one passing TD allowed.  18 ints.  The odds that not one of 6 NFL teams could throw a TD pass are astounding.

 

A great D crushes inferior Offenses every week.  Maybe they fall apart with the meat of their schedule coming up

 

 

Barring the 5-1 Bills ...   They played teams with a combined 6 wins.
Pittsburgh 2 - started 0-3 
Miami 0
New York NYETS 1
Washington 1

New York Giants 2

New York NYETS 1*

Softness of the Schedule matters 

 

1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said:

Here are the QBs they've played:

 

Week 1: big Ben with a busted elbow and nobody to throw to

Week 2 : Fitzpatrick/Rosen

Week 3: Luke Falk

Week 4: Josh Allen

Week 5: Colt McCoy

Week 6: Daniel Jones (no Barkley, no TE, no top WR)

Week 7: Sam Darnold

 

 

you beat me to it  

Edited October 22, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost

[Capco]

10 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

1985 Chicago Bears season

 

pats* - 11-5

 

redskins - 10-6

 

49ers - 10-6

 

cowgirls - 10-6

 

fins - 12-4

 

jets - 11-5

 

looks like 6 with a winning record.

 

The defense led the league in points allowed (198), yards allowed (4,135) and takeaways (54), a feat that wouldn’t be accomplished again until the 2013 Seattle Seahawks defense.

 

They didn't beat the Dolphins, so that's 5.  But thank you nonetheless for the breakdown!

[Blank Stare]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Every player on the Bills I mentioned was discarded.  So they were all resurrected by the supernatural coaching of McD and Leslie Frasier?  You're making no sense.  Players get offloaded all the time.  Good ones thrive elsewhere-especially on better teams.

 

I never said that they are "superstars", so save your breath endlessly repeating that.  On that D, they are studs.

If you really stopped and thought about it, you’d realize we are saying the exact same thing - It’s impressive what they are doing with very few household names. Speaks to coaching, and yes on THAT D, they ARE playing like studs. That’s my point and what I’ve been saying the ENTIRE time. For some reason, Collins made 1 pro bowl and was second team all pro a few years ago (largely invisible since), and you are hell bent on arguing about something not worth arguing. 
 

Also, there’s a difference with your contract expiring naturally and becoming a free agent where you can choose to sign where you want as a FA (Poyer, Hyde, and loosely Alexander although he’s been around on many teams and was a ST guy before coming here and rediscovering himself on D) vs. your prior team saying you aren’t good enough for us and trading you or cutting you loose earlier than the length of your contract (Van Noy, Hughes, Chung, Collins x2, Shelton). 

[Don Otreply]

GMFB is incorrect, The Miami Dolphins undefeated team has the best Defense, The did what no one else has done, and until the pats duplicate that their D will not be the greatest. W/L record is the final determining factor always is always will be.

[K-9]

10 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

1985 Chicago Bears season

 

pats* - 11-5

 

redskins - 10-6

 

49ers - 10-6

 

cowgirls - 10-6

 

fins - 12-4

 

jets - 11-5

 

looks like 6 with a winning record.

 

The defense led the league in points allowed (198), yards allowed (4,135) and takeaways (54), a feat that wouldn’t be accomplished again until the 2013 Seattle Seahawks defense.

You can couch your reasons any way you like for not giving the Pats*** defense any credit, but it doesn’t make any difference.

 

Statistically, through their first 7 games this season, they are performing at a historic level. That’s a simple reality.
 

No matter how many arguments you offer for the “why” of it all. 

[TigerJ]

Obviously they are an elite defense, and in the conversation for best ever, but they are particularly adapted to take advantage of young inexperienced QBs.  Not conincidentally, they have face a number of those early this season.  They would be a challenge for any QB, but Aaron Rodgers is going to look far different against this defense than Sam Darnold looks.  BTW, Buffalo probably has the personnel to follow New England's strategy on defense when Buffalo faces the Jets at the end of the season.

[Boatdrinks]

They’re not. End thread.....

[Mr. WEO]

6 minutes ago, TheProcess said:

If you really stopped and thought about it, you’d realize we are saying the exact same thing - It’s impressive what they are doing with very few household names. Speaks to coaching, and yes on THAT D, they ARE playing like studs. That’s my point and what I’ve been saying the ENTIRE time. For some reason, Collins made 1 pro bowl and was second team all pro a few years ago (largely invisible since), and you are hell bent on arguing about something not worth arguing. 
 

Also, there’s a difference with your contract expiring naturally and becoming a free agent where you can choose to sign where you want as a FA (Poyer, Hyde, and loosely Alexander although he’s been around on many teams and was a ST guy before coming here and rediscovering himself on D) vs. your prior team saying you aren’t good enough for us and trading you or cutting you loose earlier than the length of your contract (Van Noy, Hughes, Chung, Collins x2, Shelton). 

 

 

Could have led with that 4 posts ago.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

5 minutes ago, K-9 said:

You can couch your reasons any way you like for not giving the Pats*** defense any credit, but it doesn’t make any difference.

 

Statistically, through their first 7 games this season, they are performing at a historic level. That’s a simple reality.
 

No matter how many arguments you offer for the “why” of it all. 

you're entitled to your opinion k9, I may not agree but entitled none the less.

 

I'm not propping them up only 7 games in and basically playing nobody so far is not  impressive to me.

[PatsFanNH]

4 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

Barring the 5-1 Bills ...   They played teams with a combined 4 wins.
Pittsburgh 2 - started 0-3 
Miami 0
New York NYETS 1
Washington 1
New York NYETS 1*
 

Softness of the Schedule matters 

The Bills schedule Minus the 7-0 Pats:

 

Miami 0 

Jets 1

Titans 3

Bengals: 0

 

yours as well with a combined 4 wins.  Doesn’t mean your D is any softer.. but for fun.. average margin of Victory over those “cupcakes”:

 

Bills: 7.2 (in 5 wins)

Pats: 24.86 (in 7 wins)

 

outside of the Bills NO team has come close to scaring the Pats.

 

what I took from crunching the numbers?

 

The Pats be at worse 6-1 with a D that was a little less dominant.  While the Bills would be a .500 team if it wasn’t for your dominating D. (That Jets Game is a big L with even a small tick down from dominance by the bills D)

[Talley56]

I’m not even sure that they have the best defense this year.  Bears defense has looked good until the Saints (who NE doesn’t play) sliced them up.  Niners defense has looked pretty solid.

[K-9]

6 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

you're entitled to your opinion k9, I may not agree but entitled none the less.

 

I'm not propping them up only 7 games in and basically playing nobody so far is not  impressive to me.

And that’s the key point at this juncture. There’s a ton of football left to be played and a lot of weird crap can happen at the hands of the fickle football gods. 
 

I’m simply pointing out that, through 7 games, their defensive stats are historic relative to past great defenses, regardless. I’m not big on rationalizing the “why” of it all. It doesn’t matter if it’s impressive or not, the numbers are what they are. 

Edited October 22, 2019 by K-9

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

The Tuck

Spygate

Deflategate

Formationgate - Offensive Lineman illegal formation [they ran the play 2 consecutive times which is illegal] 

PEDSgate (6x since 2007)  

• S Rodney Harrison (2007)
• LB Brandon Spikes (2010)
• DE Jermaine Cunningham (2012)
• RB Brandon Boldin (2012)
• DE Rob Ninkovich (2016)
• WR Julian Edelman (2018)

Headsetgate  - Pittsburgh Steelers

False injury reports

 

 Did I miss any? 

 

 

8 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

The Bills schedule Minus the 7-0 Pats:

 

Miami 0 

Jets 1

Titans 3

Bengals: 0

 

yours as well with a combined 4 wins.  Doesn’t mean your D is any softer.. but for fun.. average margin of Victory over those “cupcakes”:

 

Bills: 7.2 (in 5 wins)

Pats: 24.86 (in 7 wins)

 

outside of the Bills NO team has come close to scaring the Pats.

 

what I took from crunching the numbers?

 

The Pats be at worse 6-1 with a D that was a little less dominant.  While the Bills would be a .500 team if it wasn’t for your dominating D. (That Jets Game is a big L with even a small tick down from dominance by the bills D)

 

Did I say the Bills were different schedule wise?   I think not. 

 

Whats this?  Why did you forget to include the 2 win Giants? 

Are you the typical Pats fan trying to alter the facts ??? 

[Blank Stare]

19 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Could have led with that 4 posts ago.

I did, 4 hours ago in my first reply in this thread. But hey, if I needed to say it in terms more suitable to your eyes, I’m glad I could oblige. 

[PatsFanNH]

11 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

The Tuck

Spygate

Deflategate

Formationgate - Offensive Lineman illegal formation [they ran the play 2 consecutive times which is illegal] 

PEDSgate (6x since 2007)  

• S Rodney Harrison (2007)
• LB Brandon Spikes (2010)
• DE Jermaine Cunningham (2012)
• RB Brandon Boldin (2012)
• DE Rob Ninkovich (2016)
• WR Julian Edelman (2018)

Headsetgate  - Pittsburgh Steelers

False injury reports

 

 Did I miss any? 

 

 

 

Did I say the Bills were different schedule wise?   I think not. 

 

Whats this?  Why did you forget to include the 2 win Giants? 

Are you the typical Pats fan trying to alter the facts ??? 

Nope just forgot the Giants my bad!  My point was simple.. the D for the Pats has suffocated their opponents while the Bills D has As well they had no choice.. the true test for both was facing eachother and if we are honest Your D earned to win that day. Sadly for the Bills they made to many mistakes on O and ST and a fourth quarter comeback fell short.. 

 

oh and the Tuck, was called correctly. A god awful rule but called correctly.

 

formationgate - wring it was legal it was made illegal after the Ravens whined about it.. sort of like the illegal contact rule and the whiny Colts. 
 

PEDs who cares? We never know what it’s for and be honest so many of them were for pot.. (see spikes) or coming off an injury like Edelman and Harrison.

 

the rest been beaten like a dead horse and I am not touching it lol

[Lofton80]

85 Bears were best I ever saw.  

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, TheProcess said:

I did, 4 hours ago in my first reply in this thread. But hey, if I needed to say it in terms more suitable to your eyes, I’m glad I could oblige. 

 

no you didn't.  You kept posting "they aren't superstars", when no one here was claiming otherwise.    Now we agree they are studs.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

Nope just forgot the Giants my bad!  My point was simple.. the D for the Pats has suffocated their opponents while the Bills D has As well they had no choice.. the true test for both was facing eachother and if we are honest Your D earned to win that day. Sadly for the Bills they made to many mistakes on O and ST and a fourth quarter comeback fell short.. 

 

oh and the Tuck, was called correctly. A god awful rule but called correctly.

 

formationgate - wring it was legal it was made illegal after the Ravens whined about it.. sort of like the illegal contact rule and the whiny Colts. 
 

PEDs who cares? We never know what it’s for and be honest so many of them were for pot.. (see spikes) or coming off an injury like Edelman and Harrison.

 

the rest been beaten like a dead horse and I am not touching it lol

 

The insignificant Giants ...  Easy to forget.  

 

Funny how the Tuck is no longer an official rule.  It stayed on long enough for the common fan to forget about it.  

 

PEDs who cares? the league cares!!! 

 

formation gate - Running it is legal if it is done on a play then you go back to a normal formation.  Not back to back   Mr "I know the rule book" should know better  Yet, he cheated. 

 

Edited October 22, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost

[PatsFanNH]

1 minute ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

The insignificant Giants ...  Easy to forget.  

 

Funny how the Tuck is no longer an official rule.  It stayed on long enough for the common fan to forget about it.  

 

PEDs who cares? the league cares!!! 

 

formation gate - Running it is legal if it is done on a play then you go back to a normal formation.  Not back to back   Mr "I know the rule book" should know better  Yet, he cheated. 

 

the funny thing for the Tuck rule is Pats fans knew it very well as it was called against the Pats earlier that same year. (Horrible rule and I tell Raider fans “it was 4th down you just had stop them 1 more time and failed”)
 

formationgate That’s not cheating, it’s a penalty they failed to call. (I know a shocker the refs missed a call. Lol) 

 

I know the league cares but why should we? We never know what it’s for? What if it’s for a drug used for the healing process (HGH is used for that they did it for my crappy knee) or was pot which is legal in so many states and definitely doesn’t give you an advantage lol..  repeat offenders I get (Josh Gordon for example) but a 1 time thing.. just to many variables. 
 

off topic here but imagine if the Bills were in ANY other AFC division they be the #2 seed And have a decent cushion over most of their fellow teams. 

[KD in CA]

Obviously way too early to anoint them anything.  That said, they've been very impressive and if they play at this level all year (and against better opponents) they will be in the conversation.

[Bmbchiefs66]

They will hold cleveland and baltimore to a combined 14 points.

7 hours ago, Hebert19 said:

Or at least in the conversation.  My thoughts are that they are great but talk to me after they play houston dallas and KC in the next 5 weeks.  

 

Thoughts?  Where do they rank and will the end up? 

They are gonna destroy every one of those teams you named. 

Houston wont score more than 10 .. Hopkins has been insignifigant vs new england. Fuller going out kills them

Dallas will be lucky to score 10

Kc is the only legitimate team that had a chance for 14. But thats it

7 hours ago, Plano said:

not a chance. They're good, but not the best ever.

 

Not even close.

 

a bunch of poorly thrown interceptions don't make a defense great.

 

They've played absolute hot garbage these first 7 games (excluding ourselves)so there's that.

You can spin it anyway you want. But lmk in the past like 2016 when everyone said they hadnt played anyone yet why they couldnt replicate this success. How come darnold almost beat the bills? But couldnt even move the ball lasst night. Yet the bills supposedly have a top defense (now 12th by dvoa)

Lmk another defense that has allowed 27 points over 7 games? 

Why couldnt the bills supposed good defense shut out the dolphins?

 

 

[Bmbchiefs66]

4 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

I don’t expect them be best ever, but I think they are the best in the NFL right now, followed by your Bills.  I hate the argument “they've gone up against garbage”  well they may be bad but they aren’t just beating them they are humiliating them with how they are being shut down.  For example:

 

Jets avg:  10 points.  Got: 0

Dolphins avg: 10 points.  Got: 0

Bills Avg: 20 points Got: 10

Redskins avg: 12.9. Got: 7

Giants Avg:  18.9. Got 14

steelers Avg: 20.5. Got 3

 

total avg: 14.61.  Gave up: 6.28

 

so only thing I left out was the 14 the Jets got from Special teams and an INT since that doesn’t count against the D. (Well at least not in fantasy lol)  but you can see they are smothering these teams a lot more than anyone else.

Sf better than buffalo...qouted wrong person

But you are 100% correct

Pats defense has allowed 27 points in 7 games

3 hours ago, Talley56 said:

I’m not even sure that they have the best defense this year.  Bears defense has looked good until the Saints (who NE doesn’t play) sliced them up.  Niners defense has looked pretty solid.

Lol dont make stuff up, did you not see what oakland did to that defense lmao

Edited October 22, 2019 by Bmbchiefs66