Gray Beard Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Best defense this season maybe, not best ever. IMHO, the product of the NFL is out of whack. A few very good teams, several very poor teams, the rest are 8-8 ish teams. It’s hard to judge quality with that distribution of quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I agree with GMFB. Their cover 0 is going to start influencing others but the complexity of it will make it difficult. They turn the ball over like crazy and shut teams down. There is no doubt in my mind that they are historically great. Makes me sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Allen was definitely rattled in the first game at that was at home...it's just the Pats mystique. However I do see Allen as being mentally tough and will be more prepared against them later this year. I don't know if he will play better or not but I don't think he will be as intimidated. Royale, man...if no concussion what could have been. As we know and as I referenced in another thread, maybe there would have been magic in the kid as he currently has 4 fourth quarter comebacks and he is the NFL's 3rd highest rated QB in the 4th. I really think he is 2nd behind Watson, and Ryan as just there because they are trailing and teams are in prevent. Edited October 22, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 More like best schedule ever. Outside of maybe the Steelers, who had Ben healthy but first game without AB, Juju had Gilmore on him and Moncrief dropped everything, who is it impressive they've shut down? Browns have their own issues but are coming out of the bye, then they have @ Baltimore / @ Philly / Dallas / @ Texans / Chiefs (presumably with Mahomes back). If they run through that stretch while still posting record breaking numbers, absolutely crown 'em. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) hey look it's a kissing the patsies ass thread. no, they're not the greatest ever. 1985 bears 2000 ravens 1976 steelers those above were not considered the best ever after 7 games that were by far not against any powerhouse offenses, including the bills who played them the closest of all 7 teams they faced. Edited October 22, 2019 by DaBillsFanSince1973 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 They're really good. Yes - they have played some relatively lousy offenses. But they are legit. 48 points allowed - Absurd... and more absurd is that there are 21 of those came off of a pick 6 from the backup QB, a muffed punt, and a sack fumble. 3 TDs allowed in 7 games - ridiculous 12 or fewer first downs in 5 of 7 games - possibly more ridiculous, the jets had like 4 of their 12 last night on penalties... 22 takeaways - 7 more than any other defense 3 games where the opponent had under 200 yards, and 5 games where they were under 225 - NE had 224 against us, and they looked like a disaster. They have had 5 games where the other team was a straight up disaster. 5 of 7 games they held the opponent under 100 rush yards as a team - not unheard of in this era but its clearly somewhat an indicator of success 4 games with 4 or more takeaways... absolutely feasting on young QBs And for those saying these QBs are terrible etc... why did Darnold shred the cowboys a week ago? Why did Allen have by far his worst game this season... or same with Daniel jones? NE has the best defense in football. Lot of football left to get to the all-time level, but they are well on their way. Currently the best in the NFL at a yards per play and points allowed. Niners are up there too, and Buffalo is probably like in the 3-5 area with bears and panthers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 52 minutes ago, TheProcess said: Obviously, Belichick’s evil genius preparation helps, but it’s amazing to me what he’s doing with mostly a bunch of nobodies. Yes, you’ve got Gilmore, Hightower, and the good McCourty brother, but most everyone else seems like just a name. No dominant pass rusher. Purely, cohesion and out preparing their opponents. It’s impressive, but incredibly frustrating we didn’t take that first game. Nah. Jamie Collins and Van Noy are studs. Chung is still decent. 43 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: So.... How many teams with a winning record has the Pats beaten?? 1 right? They have faced 7 different NFL Offenses----one passing TD allowed. 18 ints. The odds that not one of 6 NFL teams could throw a TD pass are astounding. A great D crushes inferior Offenses every week. Maybe they fall apart with the meat of their schedule coming up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wo-Bah Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 minute ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: hey look it's a kissing the patsies ass thread. no, they're not the greatest ever. 1985 bears 2000 ravens 1976 steelers those above were not considered the best ever after 7 games that were by far no powerhouse offenses, including the bills who played them the closest of all 7 teams they faced. Yes to all 3 of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Nah. Jamie Collins and Van Noy are studs. Chung is still decent All due respect, those guys have all been thrown on the trash heap by their respective teams prior to and/or including the cheats. Those are not super stars, contrary to what ESPN might have you think. Belichick elevates their game. Edited October 22, 2019 by TheProcess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 BTW am I the only one who thinks the pats cover zero appears to be based on what Poyer and Hyde (especially Poyer) have been doing for McD's defense? Poyer lines up at LOS shows blitz but sometimes drops back and sometimes blitzes.Hyde knows when Poyer is gonna do what so knows when to watch his receiver and when to watch the QB and comes up with the interceptions. It is a defense that is complicated and you have to find he right personnel for it. It can go crazy bad if you are. It careful. Does anyone remember crazy Rex wanting to do a bit of that same concept with Mario Williams? Mario couldn't believe he was being asked to drop into coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Hebert19 said: Or at least in the conversation. My thoughts are that they are great but talk to me after they play houston dallas and KC in the next 5 weeks. Thoughts? Where do they rank and will the end up? No not in any conversation, you must not remember the 85 Bears or 2000 Ravens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Here's the thing, NE hasn't really played anyone of notice outside of Buffalo and granite Buffalo hasn't played anyone of notice outside of NE. The stats from that game are as follows: New England: total yards 224 Brady: 18 of 39 for 150 yards and an INT Michel: 17 carries for 63 yards Buffalo: total yards 375 Allen: 13 of 28 for 153 yards and 3 INTs Gore: 17 carries for 109 yards After the first quarter NE was held score less until a field goal in the 3rd where as Buffalo scored 3 points in the second and a TD in the third. They also left points on the board with a missed FG and going for it on 4th down when a FG should have been kicked. Now I ask you what is more impressive? The Bills holding NE to 16 points and 224 total yards and giving Brady one of the worse games in recent memory or Buffalo putting 375 yards up on that NE D? Trick question because both are impressive and both causes one to look at how well Buffalo played in that game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Yav said: Here's the thing, NE hasn't really played anyone of notice outside of Buffalo and granite Buffalo hasn't played anyone of notice outside of NE. The stats from that game are as follows: New England: total yards 224 Brady: 18 of 39 for 150 yards and an INT Michel: 17 carries for 63 yards Buffalo: total yards 375 Allen: 13 of 28 for 153 yards and 3 INTs Gore: 17 carries for 109 yards After the first quarter NE was held score less until a field goal in the 3rd where as Buffalo scored 3 points in the second and a TD in the third. They also left points on the board with a missed FG and going for it on 4th down when a FG should have been kicked. Now I ask you what is more impressive? The Bills holding NE to 16 points and 224 total yards and giving Brady one of the worse games in recent memory or Buffalo putting 375 yards up on that NE D? Trick question because both are impressive and both causes one to look at how well Buffalo played in that game. Essentially 9 points (blocked punt). We moved the ball. "Granted" fyi Edited October 22, 2019 by Dablitzkrieg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, pop gun said: No not in any conversation, you must not remember the 85 Bears or 2000 Ravens Through 7 games they have a top whatever defense of all time. That means nothing as they must play 9 more games. If they continue to terrorize everyone they play, they very rightfully should be placed in that conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 they're beating bad teams every week i want to see them actually play someone. We moved the ball on them and if not for a bad play on the 4th and goal we win that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Man, I definitely thought the question was if this is the best Pats* D ever. That could certainly be argued. No, they absolutely are not the best Defense ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, TheProcess said: Obviously, Belichick’s evil genius preparation helps, but it’s amazing to me what he’s doing with mostly a bunch of nobodies. Yes, you’ve got Gilmore, Hightower, and the good McCourty brother, but most everyone else seems like just a name. No dominant pass rusher. Purely, cohesion and out preparing their opponents. It’s impressive, but incredibly frustrating we didn’t take that first game. Chung and Jamie Collins are pretty good players too, granted Chung has been hurt. Also not sure what's gotten into Van Noy but he's been playing amazing this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Man, I definitely thought the question was if this is the best Pats* D ever. That could certainly be argued. No, they absolutely are not the best Defense ever. I mean im looking at the 85 bears.. there's some big signature wins over montana, theisman, phil simms. The only loss was by Dan Marino. But they also shut out the falcons led by David Archer and Bob Holly... Put a hurting on that pesky Eric Hipple. Mike Pagel and the colts... There were some great games, but they also played some pretty crappy offenses. Looking at the 2000 Ravens - same kind of thing. Shut out tim couch, Kent Graham, Scott Mitchells Bengals. Held Ryan leaf to 3 points.. you get the point. Great defenses beat up bad offenses. What would put the patriots in the conversation is keeping it up against better competition, and winning a championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 21 minutes ago, TheProcess said: All due respect, those guys have all been thrown on the trash heap by their respective teams prior to and/or including the cheats. Those are not super stars, contrary to what ESPN might have you think. Belichick elevates their game. All due respect, that argument makes no sense at all. Van noy was traded. He was drafted 40th by the Lions. Played on awful Defenses there that still suck. He's a stud in NE--commensurate with his draft position (everyone had him as a top 5 LB). Collins (and All Pro and Pro Bowler) was traded to the Browns for a 3rd. After a 2018 season where he had 16 starts, 104 tackles, 4 sacks, FF, Int---and the goofball Browns released him back into the welcoming arms of BB. They are very good players playing for the best coach ever. But they are still out there playing the game. By your logic, Hyde, Poyer, Hughes, Alexander, Philips, Poyer are all from the 'trash heap" too, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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