Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 Just now, H2o said: They have to try and appear they aren't trying to lose, but still lose on purpose at the end. Ooooooh, SKILLFUL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Ooooooh, SKILLFUL Seriously though, I think Flores was like " it, why not?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 23 hours ago, Dopey said: Career stats so far: Rosen: 18 games 477 attempts 54.5% completion rate 12 tds and 17 ints. 3.6% int. rate Allen: 17 games 483 attempts 56.1% completion rate 15 tds and 19 ints. 3.9% int. rate Guess Allen sucks too?! Yea, laughable. Kind of leaving out the fact that Rosen is a complete dick. nfl doesn’t keep track of it, but it’s there. That a side he has had the most horrible luck and terrible franchises that I have ever seen a prospect have to deal with out of the gate. a shame that the “the most pro ready” QB of the draft has had it so rough ( honestly I mean that), because his draw has been crappy. Sure Miami will have a number of draft picks, but undoubtedly one of those is going to be a qb. ...Miami, let the kid go and let him have a shot with a real team. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 On 10/11/2019 at 10:54 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Just for the record, bottom line up front: Allen is Right Josh for B'lo, but Rosen is showing some decent play. Taking impression from this capture of every Rosen throw vs. Cowboys. Rosen's stat line for the game: 20-41 for 229 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT, 3 sacks for 18 yds. TOP was pretty equal - Phins 29:04 to Boys 30:56. The Phins moved the ball, but struggled to convert 3rd downs (3 of 15). Phins seemed to be playing a fairly disciplined game (not many penalties). The big difference in the game was Dallas run game, and not just Zeke but Tony Pollard OK, my impressions: 1) Rosen is suffering what Allen suffered last year: Lots of WR drops of potentially catchable balls. His completion % really should have been higher. 2) When given time, Rosen was doing a decent job of standing in, making the right read, and distributing the ball. He has learned to sling it out fast to the hot read. Bills need to be prepared to limit what Phins gain from it. 3) Rosen is far less immobile than he was last year. Survival skill I guess. I'm not seeing good movement in the pocket, but to be fair I'm not seeing a lot of pocket to move in much of the time. 4) When he's flushed out of the pocket, Rosen makes dangerous throws into heavy coverage as we've seen from Josh Allen at times. But this isn't just to a WR who looks open and missing that there's a safety positioned to jump the route - Rosen was slinging it out to double covered WRs, trying to make something happen. Dumb throws. Cowboys should have picked him 3-4 times. Bills DBs should hit the jugs. 5) Anyone who thinks you can't ruin a QB or at least stunt his development as a pro by putting him in a bad situation behind a bad OL and with poor WR, isn't paying attention. 6) Plays I saw, it appeared that the Phins players were trying. No one seemed to be phoning it in. All this scouting of Rosen and there’s a good chance he doesn’t even play next week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 And Fitzmagic would like nothing better than to stuff the Bills where the sun don't shine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Kind of leaving out the fact that Rosen is a complete dick. nfl doesn’t keep track of it, but it’s there. That a side he has had the most horrible luck and terrible franchises that I have ever seen a prospect have to deal with out of the gate. a shame that the “the most pro ready” QB of the draft has had it so rough ( honestly I mean that), because his draw has been crappy. Sure Miami will have a number of draft picks, but undoubtedly one of those is going to be a qb. ...Miami, let the kid go and let him have a shot with a real team. I wrote somewhere here he is cocky and in college let people know he's smarter than the next. Yea, he can be a dick. The nfl has a way of humbling that type of person. Ask Mayfield and his 3 more picks today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 This aged well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dopey said: I wrote somewhere here he is cocky and in college let people know he's smarter than the next. Yea, he can be a dick. The nfl has a way of humbling that type of person. Ask Mayfield and his 3 more picks today. I’ve stated here before that I know people with 2 degrees of separation with the kid. He is cocky, but he is a real, US grade A jerk. I couldn’t understand why my one friend never warmed to the Bills taking him and it was because he knows people that have experienced the kid directly. maybe a good fit somewhere, but not here. Edited October 13, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Rosen is bad. No mobility, doesn't sense the pressure well, and he is still the same guy. Say what you want as far as Allen's numbers go, but you can see the progression with him and he is more athletic than Rosen would ever dream of being. This is more than just a "numbers" debate, the eye test tells all. Allen is also clutch where Rosen has done nothing. To try and compare the two is foolish at best, maybe dopey even. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 9 hours ago, CSBill said: This. As for Rosen, I was never a fan of him. But, it would be fun to see him develop and have the three top 10 picks battle it out in the division for years to come; that is, as long as Allen is the consistent winner. well, so much for that idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) On 10/12/2019 at 4:32 PM, Dopey said: Career stats so far: Rosen: 18 games 477 attempts 54.5% completion rate 12 tds and 17 ints. 3.6% int. rate Allen: 17 games 483 attempts 56.1% completion rate 15 tds and 19 ints. 3.9% int. rate Guess Allen sucks too?! Yea, laughable. Did you watch him today? Shove your foot further down your mouth Many 4th quarter comebacks does Rosen have? How many wins does Rosen have so far in his career? Edited October 13, 2019 by CaptnCoke11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 hour ago, BearNorth said: And Fitzmagic would like nothing better than to stuff the Bills where the sun don't shine. I’m sure. But liking and doing are two different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 hour ago, H2o said: Rosen is bad. No mobility, doesn't sense the pressure well, and he is still the same guy. Say what you want as far as Allen's numbers go, but you can see the progression with him and he is more athletic than Rosen would ever dream of being. This is more than just a "numbers" debate, the eye test tells all. Allen is also clutch where Rosen has done nothing. To try and compare the two is foolish at best, maybe dopey even. I continue to believe what I did draft night. Arnold,Mayfield,Allen in that order. Not sure Rosen is even number four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, Radar said: I continue to believe what I did draft night. Arnold,Mayfield,Allen in that order. Not sure Rosen is even number four. Right now it's looking like 1a Darnold, 1b Allen, 1c Jackson, 2 Mayfield, fodder = Rosen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Supposedly Fins are staying with Rosen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Did you watch him today? Shove your foot further down your mouth Many 4th quarter comebacks does Rosen have? How many wins does Rosen have so far in his career? If you've read any of my posts about Allen you would know the Allen sucks part was clearly a joke. Damn, some of you need to take a chill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 hour ago, buffaloboyinATL said: Supposedly Fins are staying with Rosen... Oh I hope this is true. I have been drooling over that matchup all year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Bills2ref said: Oh I hope this is true. I have been drooling over that matchup all year. They did name him the starter for the remainder of the season just the other day. Then they bench him today mid-game. So who knows. Pretty sure they don’t know either. If the goal really is to tank and lose I’d say keep Rosen in, I suppose? Really neither of those QBs have a snowball’s chance with the talent around them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Dopey said: If you've read any of my posts about Allen you would know the Allen sucks part was clearly a joke. Damn, some of you need to take a chill. Sorry don’t follow your every post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 10 hours ago, H2o said: Right now it's looking like 1a Darnold, 1b Allen, 1c Jackson, 2 Mayfield, fodder = Rosen Jackson is currently much better than the rest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 32 minutes ago, Sundancer said: Jackson is currently much better than the rest. No, not really. Jackson is in a perfect system that plays to his strengths with Roman calling the offense. Jackson has shown improvement, don't get me wrong, but you're incorrect in your assessment. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, H2o said: No, not really. Jackson is in a perfect system that plays to his strengths with Roman calling the offense. Jackson has shown improvement, don't get me wrong, but you're incorrect in your assessment. 65% completion. 11 TDS passing to 5 ints. 250 passing and 80 yards rushing per game. If all any QB needed was a system, every qb would put up those numbers. Jackson has been the best of them all no question. He may not finish his career there but right now he's way out in front. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Sundancer said: 65% completion. 11 TDS passing to 5 ints. 250 passing and 80 yards rushing per game. If all any QB needed was a system, every qb would put up those numbers. Jackson has been the best of them all no question. He may not finish his career there but right now he's way out in front. He's been very fortunate to not have about 8 more INT's right now with some of the wild passes he's thrown. Let's also not forget 5 of those TD's were against the Dolphins in week 1. Other than that he has 6 TD's and 5 INT's through the other 5 games, with 2 of those games him not putting up a passing TD at all. Yes, he IS in the perfect system for his skillset and this has been discussed a million times over. Roman got the absolute most out of Kaep, Tyrod, and now he is doing so with Lamar. Lamar is the BEST athlete of them all, but he is not the best QB. You keep him in the pocket and force him to actually play the position then you'll see what I'm talking about. No one is saying he hasn't improved, but he is surely not the "best of them all" with no questions. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, H2o said: He's been very fortunate to not have about 8 more INT's right now with some of the wild passes he's thrown. Let's also not forget 5 of those TD's were against the Dolphins in week 1. Other than that he has 6 TD's and 5 INT's through the other 5 games, with 2 of those games him not putting up a passing TD at all. Yes, he IS in the perfect system for his skillset and this has been discussed a million times over. Roman got the absolute most out of Kaep, Tyrod, and now he is doing so with Lamar. Lamar is the BEST athlete of them all, but he is not the best QB. You keep him in the pocket and force him to actually play the position then you'll see what I'm talking about. No one is saying he hasn't improved, but he is surely not the "best of them all" with no questions. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 (edited) 42 minutes ago, H2o said: He's been very fortunate to not have about 8 more INT's right now with some of the wild passes he's thrown. You can play that game with anyone. Allen could have more INTs than he has too. And I'm sure some of his 5 INTs are not all his fault. Quote Let's also not forget 5 of those TD's were against the Dolphins in week 1. If Allen and Darnold throw 5 TDs against the Dolphins, that will be interesting. But I doubt they will. Quote Other than that he has 6 TD's and 5 INT's through the other 5 games, with 2 of those games him not putting up a passing TD at all. Yes, he IS in the perfect system for his skillset and this has been discussed a million times over. Roman got the absolute most out of Kaep, Tyrod, and now he is doing so with Lamar. Lamar is the BEST athlete of them all, but he is not the best QB. You keep him in the pocket and force him to actually play the position then you'll see what I'm talking about. If you force Brady to throw on the run, he's terrible. The QB who plays the position plays the way that works best for him. Lamar is playing at a very high level. 65% completion. Quote No one is saying he hasn't improved, but he is surely not the "best of them all" with no questions. He's the best of them all right now, no question. I expect Allen at least will be better. Darnold looked good yesterday but I'm not ready to crown him yet. Rosen has been on terrible teams but doesn't look good. Mayfield was up and is now down. The guy who looks better than all of them (different draft class) is Murray. Edited October 14, 2019 by Sundancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, Sundancer said: You can play that game with anyone. Allen could have more INTs than he has too. And I'm sure some of his 5 INTs are not all his fault. If Allen and Darnold throw 5 TDs against the Dolphins, that will be interesting. But I doubt they will. If you force Brady to throw on the run and he's terrible. The QB who plays the position plays the way that works best for him. Lamar is playing at a very high level. 65% completion. He's the best of them all right now, no question. I expect Allen at least will be better. Darnold looked good yesterday but I'm not ready to crown him yet. Rosen has been on terrible teams but doesn't look good. Mayfield was up and is now down. The guy who looks better than all of them (different draft class) is Murray. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, H2o said: I'm so happy the board acquired a new troll, aren't you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: I'm so happy the board acquired a new troll, aren't you? Is everyone who disagrees with you a troll? Where are your statistics for a counter-argument that someone else is playing better than Jackson from that QB class, or Murray from this past one? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sundancer said: Is everyone who disagrees with you a troll? Where are your statistics for a counter-argument that someone else is playing better than Jackson from that QB class, or Murray from this past one? Murray had a good game against a non-existent Falcons defense. And here you are, crowning him. Trolls gonna troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Sundancer said: Is everyone who disagrees with you a troll? Where are your statistics for a counter-argument that someone else is playing better than Jackson from that QB class, or Murray from this past one? 59 minutes ago, H2o said: He's been very fortunate to not have about 8 more INT's right now with some of the wild passes he's thrown. Let's also not forget 5 of those TD's were against the Dolphins in week 1. Other than that he has 6 TD's and 5 INT's through the other 5 games, with 2 of those games him not putting up a passing TD at all. Yes, he IS in the perfect system for his skillset and this has been discussed a million times over. Roman got the absolute most out of Kaep, Tyrod, and now he is doing so with Lamar. Lamar is the BEST athlete of them all, but he is not the best QB. You keep him in the pocket and force him to actually play the position then you'll see what I'm talking about. No one is saying he hasn't improved, but he is surely not the "best of them all" with no questions. It also goes beyond numbers to actually watching the games of each one, having the intelligence of being able to comprehend what is going on, and watching said QB execute their gameplan. I said in another post that they are 1a, 1b, and 1c at the moment in regards to Darnold, Allen, and Jackson. Jackson is not the best of them all with no question no matter how much you roll around on the floor, stomp your feet, or cry at the top of your lungs. Edited October 14, 2019 by H2o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Lololol Midget Murray is the best young QB! You heard it here first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Are Sundancer and Sunshower the same poster ? Seems like they share the anti Allen gene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Murray had a good game against a non-existent Falcons defense. And here you are, crowning him. Trolls gonna troll. 64% completion, 273 yards per game, 7 TDs and 4 INTs, 40 yards rushing per game and a couple TDs there too. And he's a rookie. A long ways to go but he's been good if you've been watching. 9 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Are Sundancer and Sunshower the same poster ? Seems like they share the anti Allen gene Uhh what? I LOVE Allen. What are you talking about? He's been great this year and into the end of last year. Making every stride I would hope and even controlling his hero ball. Edited October 14, 2019 by Sundancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 22 minutes ago, Sundancer said: Is everyone who disagrees with you a troll? Where are your statistics for a counter-argument that someone else is playing better than Jackson from that QB class, or Murray from this past one? Yep, cuz stats tell the whole story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 15 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: Yep, cuz stats tell the whole story. They don't but they are objective and I didn't pick out anything but season-to-date stats for guys who have played every game so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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