Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 "The old saying goes, 'it's better to be lucky than good.' So far this season the Bills have been both." https://13wham.com/buffalo-plus/bills-latest-news/you-need-some-luck "When asked after the [Titans] game if he felt fortunate to get the win, Sean McDermott had a moment of reflection and honesty. “One of my great mentors, the late, great Jim Johnson, always said, ‘you need some luck’ and he was right,” smiled McDermott. “So we’ll take it.” Yes, there's luck involved, but there's always luck involved. The problem I have with what-if'ing any play is, unless it's the last play of a game, there's always a causation chain around any play. If the Titans don't miss the first FG, maybe the Bills make some different playcall decisions. Maybe they're better decisions, maybe they're not - we won't ever know. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) i might disagree with you on the last play not being causation chain bound. if anything, only the first play of a game is not constrained by that chain. however, you're correct, we won't ever know the woulda/coulda/shoulda's, nor do they really matter. Edited October 11, 2019 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Bills Fan Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I agree- if he makes some of those FGs, we have a different game plan and we still would have won. Bottom line, luck is where opportunity meets preparation. Stumble bums don't luck into winning games in the NFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) What’s a wham article? Title of thread is also nebulous. Edited October 11, 2019 by Saint Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 55 minutes ago, Saint Doug said: What’s a wham article? Title of thread is also nebulous. I guess if you clicked on the link in the OP, you might discern the answer to your query 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 1 Edited October 11, 2019 by Johnnycage46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: "The old saying goes, 'it's better to be lucky than good.' So far this season the Bills have been both." https://13wham.com/buffalo-plus/bills-latest-news/you-need-some-luck "When asked after the [Titans] game if he felt fortunate to get the win, Sean McDermott had a moment of reflection and honesty. “One of my great mentors, the late, great Jim Johnson, always said, ‘you need some luck’ and he was right,” smiled McDermott. “So we’ll take it.” Yes, there's luck involved, but there's always luck involved. The problem I have with what-if'ing any play is, unless it's the last play of a game, there's always a causation chain around any play. If the Titans don't miss the first FG, maybe the Bills make some different playcall decisions. Maybe they're better decisions, maybe they're not - we won't ever know. I agree about the endogeneity underlying luck and subsequent play calling while attributing a result to luck. It is only the last play where if a lucky thing happens that decides the game, one can solely attribute the result to luck. Hence the saying "we make our own luck". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 We still won, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: "The old saying goes, 'it's better to be lucky than good.' So far this season the Bills have been both." https://13wham.com/buffalo-plus/bills-latest-news/you-need-some-luck "When asked after the [Titans] game if he felt fortunate to get the win, Sean McDermott had a moment of reflection and honesty. “One of my great mentors, the late, great Jim Johnson, always said, ‘you need some luck’ and he was right,” smiled McDermott. “So we’ll take it.” Yes, there's luck involved, but there's always luck involved. The problem I have with what-if'ing any play is, unless it's the last play of a game, there's always a causation chain around any play. If the Titans don't miss the first FG, maybe the Bills make some different playcall decisions. Maybe they're better decisions, maybe they're not - we won't ever know. It looked like the last drive when they iced the game they could have scored a TD, they moved the ball down to the Titan 30ish yard line before kneeling to kill the clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 They aren't good until Josh Allen becomes a consistent QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: They aren't good great until Josh Allen becomes a consistent QB. ftfy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 9 hours ago, Saint Doug said: What’s a wham article? Title of thread is also nebulous. A wham article is one that is really hard-hitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I like that he quoted Jim Johnson. An underrated defensive mind that died too young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 It feels like 2 years ago when Lady Luck was on our side the way things are going right now. The difference this time is we have a better all around team to go with the breaks we've been catching. The defense is better, the OL is better, and the overall depth is better. Teams of destiny seem to experience things like this. Let's just hope the bounces continue to go our way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: They aren't good until Josh Allen becomes a consistent QB. Compared to the 6 bottom teams ... They're good enough. (yet, need to be better) 35 minutes ago, H2o said: It feels like 2 years ago when Lady Luck was on our side the way things are going right now. The difference this time is we have a better all around team to go with the breaks we've been catching. The defense is better, the OL is better, and the overall depth is better. Teams of destiny seem to experience things like this. Let's just hope the bounces continue to go our way. 2 years ago Lady Luck was on our side.... Last year Lady Luck was not on our side.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 hour ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: A wham article is one that is really hard-hitting. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 11 hours ago, SF Bills Fan said: I agree- if he makes some of those FGs, we have a different game plan and we still would have won. Bottom line, luck is where opportunity meets preparation. Stumble bums don't luck into winning games in the NFL. You're absolutely right. The Bills teams of Dick Jauron and Chan Gailey didn't get those "luck" moments or the good bounces. This team does. This team is also very well coached/prepared. As much as we hate how the Pats* get all kinds of lucky bounces and breaks, there's a reason. Good teams get them. Bad ones don't. Glad to see us getting them for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 20 minutes ago, The Wiz said: oh geeze... i thought hard hitting meant .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf_Lwe6p-Cg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 16 minutes ago, Foxx said: oh geeze... i thought hard hitting meant .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf_Lwe6p-Cg You are a cruel man. (or woman) I wanted to do that earlier but I resisted the urge to torture people 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Honestly, given we have moved the ball so well vs the number of points, our injury situation, and how our D has handled special teams and offensive errors, i'd say we've over come bad luck more than had good luck. also, our d has tipped soooooo many passes, and not come up w many picks, that's a non good luck thing too. the only lucky thing i can see so far, is that we've played some weak teams, but of course so has new england and it doesn't get mentioned there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I hate these discussions. If the score was different during a game then the plays called would be different. The kicker missed 4 FGs. All I know is that 4 out of 5 games this year we've outscored our opponents. Enjoy the bye week and hopefully we move to 5-1 after the Dolphins. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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