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What we didn't see in the Bills 2-0 start

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We haven't seen The Bills totally dominate their opponent yet.

Then again, we haven't seen The Bills be totally dominated by their opponent yet.

We haven't seen Josh air it out for a full game.

We haven't seen a truly dominant run game by The Bills... yet.

We haven't seen gross time clock mismanagement. 


They control their own destiny.

 

Go Bills! 

 

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2 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

When the national sports media talks about the Bills starting 2-0, they all point out that the two wins were against the Jets and the Giants and that neither team is any good.  To be fair, it's a valid point.  The Jets and Giants do look woeful right now.  That's what they see.  I see something different in these two victories.

 

As a long suffering Bill's fan who has watched this team wandering in the desert for 20 years, what the national sports media has clearly missed is that in years past I have no doubt that the Bills would have come out of these first two games with a record of 1-1.  I have no doubt that the "old Bills" would have found a way to lose one of these two road games. We all know what we saw during these last two games, but what is even more important that what we saw in these two victories, is what we didn't see in those victories.   

 

We didn't see ridiculous penalties twenty yards away from the ball negate big plays over and over again.

 

We didn't see a QB and offense that turned the ball over 4 times, gave up a Pick-6 and a safety, and not score a single point in the first half,  just implode and collapse.

 

We didn't see that fourth quarter comeback drive fall just a little bit short...

 

We didn't see terrible coaching decisions and horrid clock management cost the team late in the game.

 

We didn't see some late game special teams collapse, a late TD / punt return, or missed field goal cost us a game.

 

We didn't see Bills players yelling at each other and standing around looking dejected on the sidelines when things went against them.

 

We didn't see a QB who looked over his head and playing simply not to lose the game.

 

We didn't see a late game blown coverage on defense or missed tackle give up a last minute touchdown snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

 

Sure it was just the Jets and the Giants, but the thing that impressed me most is not what the Jets and Giants brought to MetLife these last two weeks, but what the Bills didn't bring.  They didn't bring all the dysfunction that has sabotaged winnable games over and over again for the last 20 years.  If the Bills can just continue to get the hell out of their own way, they have enough talent on this roster to be playing football well into January this season.

 

 

 

All very good points, and I am always leaning toward optimism... but there were some things that happened in the first 2 games that WILL sink us against better teams (namely, the PATS)

 

When we got the ball back with 1:49 left in the first half, and two timeouts, that should have been a scoring drive that at the very least ended with us kicking a FG as time expired.

 

Instead, we ran 3 botched plays, stopped the clock, and Punted the ball back to the Giants with 1:32 remaining. That WILL cost us the game against the Patriots who would use that time to move down the field and get points before halftime.

 

Plenty to tighten up, but I agree overall, we seem to be a much better team as it pertains to the details and what should be irrelevant stuff that can sink a team.

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48 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Bill Polian said Lamar Jackson should switch to WR.    He is HOF as a personnel man.    

 

Just saying  there might be some gray area between having a bad take and being "a total fraud".

 

I haven't let the detractors of Allen affect my opinion.........I see talent and progress that I like a lot but still obvious concerns with things like ball placement/accuracy(for instance you really can't miss John Brown by f'n 25 feet on that deep post with no pressure in the pocket).........but then again I don't have to write about and evaluate every NFL player for a living so I don't need to take a short cut when forming an opinion on him.

 

I watched Aaron Rodgers miss the same throw just in the past two weeks.  Guess there are still a lot of questions on whether he’s a franchise guy.

 

the analytics college to pro qbase projection is rubish.  They just categorized QBs in the pros that are good and then made a model that fit collegiate performance.  It’s not predictive. The model is trash. There are other examples too. 

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3 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

What I find interesting is that those same pundits do not qualify their statements about Lamar Jackson and the Ravens who have played, statistically, the two worst defenses in the NFL. - or really making those same qualifying statements about many other QBs/teams.

 

The Bills just need to continue winning and those things will probably change.

FTR, I have heard commentators on multiple shows make exactly that point.

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2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

I watched Aaron Rodgers miss the same throw just in the past two weeks.  Guess there are still a lot of questions on whether he’s a franchise guy.

 

the analytics college to pro qbase projection is rubish.  They just categorized QBs in the pros that are good and then made a model that fit collegiate performance.  It’s not predictive. The model is trash. There are other examples too. 

 

 

I missed him overthrowing an unobstructed receiver by nearly 10 yards but there is also this:

 

Aaron Rodgers 62 career 300 yard passing games.

 

Josh Allen 0 career 300 yard passing games.

 

One of many reasons why Rodgers is a franchise QB and why nobody knows whether Allen will be or not.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

Thing is that same media stayed on the Jets nut sack the whole offseason about how improved they were going to be. The Bills beat them with their starting QB and all their players that this same media hyped up so much. Now they say they suck, yes maybe now they will have some problems with their QB down.

 

But that was not the case before, they only lost Mosley late in the game. The Jets are a solid team IMO when Darnold is healthy, however I like most people I question the Gase hire. Either way the Jets were no push over when the Bills played them.

The thing that people forgot was the Jets had 3 suspended players on opening day.  They were a mess against Cleveland because Mosley & Darnold joined the suspended guys on the inactive list.  In a few weeks the Jets won't be a mess anymore.  They do need to upgrade their O-line & should be seeking any means necessary to do so ASAP.

However, as long as they have Gase as HC, they'll never reach their true potential.  

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One of the concerns for me in the Giants game was how timely the penalties were for us. Particularly the gift of the one that turned a FG to a TD with another set of downs. Chalk it up to mental errors on their part or luck on ours, but don’t usually get those calls and I’m hoping we don’t need them to win. 

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2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

All very good points, and I am always leaning toward optimism... but there were some things that happened in the first 2 games that WILL sink us against better teams (namely, the PATS)

 

When we got the ball back with 1:49 left in the first half, and two timeouts, that should have been a scoring drive that at the very least ended with us kicking a FG as time expired.

 

Instead, we ran 3 botched plays, stopped the clock, and Punted the ball back to the Giants with 1:32 remaining. That WILL cost us the game against the Patriots who would use that time to move down the field and get points before halftime.

 

Plenty to tighten up, but I agree overall, we seem to be a much better team as it pertains to the details and what should be irrelevant stuff that can sink a team.

I'd bet any team with 8 out of 11 new starters on offense would still need to tighten things up 2 weeks into the season before they are ready to compete with the world champions.  

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12 minutes ago, benderbender said:

One of the concerns for me in the Giants game was how timely the penalties were for us. Particularly the gift of the one that turned a FG to a TD with another set of downs. Chalk it up to mental errors on their part or luck on ours, but don’t usually get those calls and I’m hoping we don’t need them to win. 

 

We took advantage of those penalties.  The Jets were gifted 4 turnovers and if not for one being a pick-6 they did NOTHING with those turnovers.  Turnovers are far worse than a penalty to boot.  

 

We're a newly put together offensive team.  I'm pretty impressed with what we've accomplished so far with so many long drives.  

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5 hours ago, Bob in STL said:

What the National media says and thinks is not important.  Winning games is.    I have never heard New England apologize for their schedule.   

 

IF the Bills can beat the Bengals on a Sunday we will be 3-0 and are opponents could potentially be a combined 0-9.   

 

We play the schedule we are given.  Tough games are coming.  What the media says does not change the standings.  

The fact that our first 3 opponents can be 0-9 is insane. What a gift the football gods have given. 

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Yes, Ingo, and we're not seeing one-on-one missed tackles in the open field much either.

We're not seeing (thank God) a Ryan brother on the sideline anywhere.          Go Bills!

 

 

 

 

 

 

**On a extreme side note, Ingo Montoya, oddly enough, was the name of the kid who sat behind me in my high school science class.    Just an FYI for you.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said:

I'd bet any team with 8 out of 11 new starters on offense would still need to tighten things up 2 weeks into the season before they are ready to compete with the world champions.  

 

For sure, and Im not bagging on them too hard. But "scoring before halftime" is one of the most overlooked keys of winning games. It's something that Belichick takes very seriously. And we cant make that same mistake against teams like the Pats, or else we are basically handing them the game. When asked about their crazy winning record over the past couple decades, Belichick has said (paraphrasing) "more teams have lost games then we have won". Meaning, it's those little things the other team doesnt execute or capitalize on that swings the favor to the Pats.

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4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

For sure, and Im not bagging on them too hard. But "scoring before halftime" is one of the most overlooked keys of winning games. It's something that Belichick takes very seriously. And we cant make that same mistake against teams like the Pats, or else we are basically handing them the game. When asked about their crazy winning record over the past couple decades, Belichick has said (paraphrasing) "more teams have lost games then we have won". Meaning, it's those little things the other team doesnt execute or capitalize on that swings the favor to the Pats.

 

Belichick is right, most teams beat themselves.  Atlanta and Seattle both lost the Super Bowl to the Pats with stupid play calling at the end allowing the Pats to win.  The Bills have been masters of this for a long time.

 

These last two games the Bills managed to stay out of their own way and not give the game away.  They had the four turnovers in the Jets game but they were the result of bad bounces more than bad decisions or choking.

 

If the Bills can keep playing smart, clean football they are going to stack up some wins.

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Basically, you're saying the Bills weren't very "Billsy"...

 

Other football terms I like:

 

Making foolish decisions in the draft: "Brownsing" (although that may be a fading term). Formerly known as "Billsing" in the 2000s

 

Acting like hot **** when you're not: "Jagoff"

 

Tanking: "Finning"

 

Cheating: "The Patriot Way"

 

 

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Road wins are never easy and we took care of business!  National media doesn't know much about this new BILLS team.  They all picked the NY team's to win both games.  Bills are finally coming into their own.  There will be some let downs this season but we are moving in the right direction.  Playoffs this season, contenders next season!

 

Go BILLS!!!

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13 minutes ago, BuffaloButt said:

Road wins are never easy and we took care of business!  National media doesn't know much about this new BILLS team. 

 

That's my take too. They did it on the road with teams having home openers. Lots crowd pumping adrenaline for the home team and we took the air out of them. Great job Bills!

 

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14 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I missed him overthrowing an unobstructed receiver by nearly 10 yards but there is also this:

 

Aaron Rodgers 62 career 300 yard passing games.

 

Josh Allen 0 career 300 yard passing games.

 

One of many reasons why Rodgers is a franchise QB and why nobody knows whether Allen will be or not.

 

 

Rodgers was holding a clipboard in his year 2.  And 3.  

 

time will tell with Allen

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I keep on looking for someone to mention this, innthe last drive by the Jests Levi Wallace defenses a pass that was going for a big completion, on the 3rd and 10 nonetehless. That was a huge play that would have been a completion in yrs past.

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