Deranged Rhino Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Of course the chyron is wrong. There's no point in the transcript where Trump asked for "dirt" on Biden. None. It never happened, yet phrasing it that way is not only leading and dishonest -- it gives away the whole scam. Large portions of the media is not our friends. They are not objective journalists. They have been co-opted and controlled by elements of our own intelligence services who are waging war against us not just Trump. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: you all are the ones who keep on calling it LEGAL hearsay, which it isn’t. I’m just correcting you all. Sorry you don’t like facts Isn’t part of the whistleblower complaint (the August 25 phone call part) statements of a third party without first hand knowledge of the facts? Aren’t those statements being made to prove the facts of the matter which they assert? You’re parsing. Just because the complaint isn’t being offered as evidence in a legal proceeding (at least not yet) doesn’t mean the statements aren’t hearsay. If someone were to follow your conclusion, they would have to completely discount the complaint — because the statements weren’t made in in this particular “proceeding” by anyone BUT the complainant. In fact, since the complaint was made in compliance with a statutory regime, and it is meant to be ultimately investigated and used as evidence, anyone who looks into the future can see that this will be argued as “legal” hearsay, whatever the hell that means. It is hearsay now and it will be hearsay in the future. I can’t believe you’re stuck on this issue. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: And the evidence will probably be more hearsay evidence..."Someone told me that they said they saw Barr do this..." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 19 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: See — that’s NOT hearsay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: ... I love how whistleblowers are snitches now. i support and believe whistleblowers (and their protection) are necessary in any hierarchical environment. however, whether or not this 'person' is an actual whistleblower is debatable. the only reason he is considered such is due to recent guideline changes. Edited September 29, 2019 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: I saw that exchange and it seems like some Fox reporters have been getting very aggressive and bordering on nasty lately with people on the Right. Maria Bigboobs was on after that and was pretty nasty and interrupted Rudy G. repeatedly. There's not many people who can argue effectively with Mark Levin. Edited September 29, 2019 by 3rdnlng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 1 hour ago, snafu said: Isn’t part of the whistleblower complaint (the August 25 phone call part) statements of a third party without first hand knowledge of the facts? Aren’t those statements being made to prove the facts of the matter which they assert? You’re parsing. Just because the complaint isn’t being offered as evidence in a legal proceeding (at least not yet) doesn’t mean the statements aren’t hearsay. If someone were to follow your conclusion, they would have to completely discount the complaint — because the statements weren’t made in in this particular “proceeding” by anyone BUT the complainant. In fact, since the complaint was made in compliance with a statutory regime, and it is meant to be ultimately investigated and used as evidence, anyone who looks into the future can see that this will be argued as “legal” hearsay, whatever the hell that means. It is hearsay now and it will be hearsay in the future. I can’t believe you’re stuck on this issue. Yea I am stuck on it because people keep quoting me and asking me to discuss it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 No reason to probe Bidens: former Ukraine prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko said any investigation into Mr Biden and his son would have to start in the US. "I don't know any reason to investigate Joe Biden or Hunter Biden according to Ukrainian law," he said. Speaking to BBC Kiev correspondent Jonah Fisher, Mr Lutsenko - who succeeded Mr Shokin and stood down last month - said there was no plan to open the investigation into Burisma, and that any investigation into Hunter Biden would have to start in the US. "It is the jurisdiction of the US," he said, adding that any "possible embezzlement" at Burisma "happened two or three years before Hunter Biden became a member of the board". https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49871909 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 6 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...a "paid political advertisement" no doubt.......then again, I look at my "dyed in the wool Dem relatives"...SMH.....CNN is there ONLY news source......here's some other snippets from them.....one aunt lamented" Ronald Reagan ruined my life......George Bush is NOT my President".......return address labels said "ALWAYS A DEMOCRAT"......or another aunt who agonized over "voting for a black man as President(Obama)"...she did because casting a vote for ANY Republican was heresy......or a classic from a cousin, "Lewinsky servicing Clinton probably relaxed him so he could do a better job as President"..or my late mother, "Reagan is nothing more than a B rated actor as President"....I CANNOT Make this stuff up folks....these are real deal Dems.....now you know why I haven't been to a family function in 20+ years....and you though only Jim Jones followers drank the kool-aid...SMH.... My mother almost cried and said “you’re a Republican?” No way mom. I’m a conservative! Barber Conable one of the last true statesmen in Congress lived in our little village. He had a tree planted in front of each house. My mom said she kidded with him that ours died because she was a Democrat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: My mother almost cried and said “you’re a Republican?” No way mom. I’m a conservative! Barber Conable one of the last true statesmen in Congress lived in our little village. He had a tree planted in front of each house. My mom said she kidded with him that ours died because she was a Democrat. ...remember Barber well......and YES, a statesman.....RIP... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...remember Barber well......and YES, a statesman.....RIP... I remember one of the first times I went home to visit after I got into the financial advisory biz my mom said “you need to go see Barber.” I didn’t and he died before I got a chance. Imagine getting to chat with a former chair of the Ways and Means, President of the World Bank and the one many give credit for the creation of the 401k and I ***** blew it. His biography is good. He tells about how as a freshman congressman he wanted badly to be on the newly formed NASA committee. Mondale (I think it was him) told Barber that as a freshman NASA wasn’t a good fit. So he got on the Ways and Means. He went to give the news to his secretary. “I’ve got good news and bad news. Good news is I got on Ways and Means. The bad news is we have to learn the tax code!” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 hours ago, ALF said: No reason to probe Bidens: former Ukraine prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko said any investigation into Mr Biden and his son would have to start in the US. "I don't know any reason to investigate Joe Biden or Hunter Biden according to Ukrainian law," he said. Speaking to BBC Kiev correspondent Jonah Fisher, Mr Lutsenko - who succeeded Mr Shokin and stood down last month - said there was no plan to open the investigation into Burisma, and that any investigation into Hunter Biden would have to start in the US. "It is the jurisdiction of the US," he said, adding that any "possible embezzlement" at Burisma "happened two or three years before Hunter Biden became a member of the board". https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49871909 BBC = MI6 cut out (like WaPo = CIA cut out). They're playing defense for Mr. Dearlove, MI6, GCHQ, and Hakyult. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 hours ago, ALF said: No reason to probe Bidens: former Ukraine prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko said any investigation into Mr Biden and his son would have to start in the US. "I don't know any reason to investigate Joe Biden or Hunter Biden according to Ukrainian law," he said. Speaking to BBC Kiev correspondent Jonah Fisher, Mr Lutsenko - who succeeded Mr Shokin and stood down last month - said there was no plan to open the investigation into Burisma, and that any investigation into Hunter Biden would have to start in the US. "It is the jurisdiction of the US," he said, adding that any "possible embezzlement" at Burisma "happened two or three years before Hunter Biden became a member of the board". https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49871909 So in other words, Ukraine isn't going to investigate this on their own. The U.S. needs to do it so Trump asking for cooperation between the U.S. gov't and Ukranian gov't would be an appropriate request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 McCarthy is asked about when Trump said, “I would like you to do us a favor though.” MCCARTHY: You just added another word. PELLEY: No, it’s in the transcript. MCCARTHY: He said-“I’d like you to do a favor though”? PELLEY: Yes, it’s in the White House transcript. https://t.co/Sc8Lsv25xX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 ?PSA?: “Fox News has learned that the Pentagon, State Department, and National Security Council were ‘unanimous’ in supporting the aid to Ukraine, and that Trump acted alone in withholding the aid over the summer.” https://t.co/3SMkjyEaxk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Former Trump Security Adviser Says He’s ‘Deeply Disturbed’ by Ukraine Call - The New York Times https://t.co/8oxskaPn9s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 This time they REALLY got him! Some people will never learn. https://mobile.twitter.com/Timcast/status/1178511005191725057 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 5 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: That is because they need to find one person willing to commit perjury who can do a better job of lying than Dr. Ford. That "complaint" was a group effort by deep state. Seems they hired better writers this time around. I wonder if they paid more for this set-up than they did for the pee-pee dossier? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 8 hours ago, Kemp said: ?PSA?: “Fox News has learned that the Pentagon, State Department, and National Security Council were ‘unanimous’ in supporting the aid to Ukraine, and that Trump acted alone in withholding the aid over the summer.” https://t.co/3SMkjyEaxk Extortion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Extortion How exactly is it extortion to withhold your own money from someone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: How exactly is it extortion to withhold your own money from someone? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Lol Exactly Tibs...go buy a dictionary! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 8 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: This time they REALLY got him! Some people will never learn. https://mobile.twitter.com/Timcast/status/1178511005191725057 Beep. Beep (roadrunner). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Exactly Tibs...go buy a dictionary! I know, great question, btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Tiberius said: I know, great question, btw Thanks...I’m not sure where Nancy is going with that line. I understand the concerns but it’s definitely NOT extortion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: Thanks...I’m not sure where Nancy is going with that line. I understand the concerns but it’s definitely NOT extortion! You can't have the weapons our congress voted for unless you do me a favor, talk to Rudy and Barr. Extortion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Tiberius said: You can't have the weapons our congress voted for unless you do me a favor, talk to Rudy and Barr. Extortion Correct, Congress doesn’t run the country. They only appropriate (budget) the funds. The President (executive branch) spends them. Now, along with a dictionary, go take a basic civics class. You’ll find the same principles apply at your local school district. You may want to start at a lower level and attend their next meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 25 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Correct, Congress doesn’t run the country. They only appropriate (budget) the funds. The President (executive branch) spends them. Now, along with a dictionary, go take a basic civics class. You’ll find the same principles apply at your local school district. You may want to start at a lower level and attend their next meeting. Lol, I guess you just can't understand things normal people do. It must suck to be so stupid. Trump counts on your stupidity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 The hearsay in the whistleblower complaint. Schiff's trip. All these things are shiny objects. The evidence (thus far) is easy to understand. Trump withheld the aid. Trump pressured Zelensky to investigate his number one opponent "as a favor" after reminding him about how much aid the US gives him. Whether that conduct aligns with things that sh##heads like Schiff want is besides the point. POTUS went too far. Impeachably so? Not sure but he's closer with this than the obstruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 57 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You can't have the weapons our congress voted for unless you do me a favor, talk to Rudy and Barr. Extortion That's what "All I need is a pen and a phone" means, asshat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 19 minutes ago, John Adams said: The hearsay in the whistleblower complaint. Schiff's trip. All these things are shiny objects. The evidence (thus far) is easy to understand. Trump withheld the aid. Trump pressured Zelensky to investigate his number one opponent "as a favor" after reminding him about how much aid the US gives him. Whether that conduct aligns with things that sh##heads like Schiff want is besides the point. POTUS went too far. Impeachably so? Not sure but he's closer with this than the obstruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, DC Tom said: That's what "All I need is a pen and a phone" means, asshat. Trump was extorting a foreign leader to smear his domestic rival. Crime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 In 1999 President Bill Clinton signed a treaty with the Ukraine in which both nations pledge to offer mutual support/assistance on criminal matters. This treaty, vested with full Constitutional authority, should put an end to any nonsense related to “wrongdoing” by the President. https://www.congress.gov/treaty-document/106th-congress/16/document-text 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: This treaty, vested with full Constitutional authority, should put an end to any nonsense related to “wrongdoing” by the President. That's funny. You think standards are the same for Democratic and Republican Presidents. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: In 1999 President Bill Clinton signed a treaty with the Ukraine in which both nations pledge to offer mutual support/assistance on criminal matters. This treaty, vested with full Constitutional authority, should put an end to any nonsense related to “wrongdoing” by the President. https://www.congress.gov/treaty-document/106th-congress/16/document-text Where in the treaty does it say you can investigate your political opponents? Weak Protect our Republic from foreign influence! USA USA USA!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 hour ago, John Adams said: The hearsay in the whistleblower complaint. Schiff's trip. All these things are shiny objects. The evidence (thus far) is easy to understand. Trump withheld the aid. Trump pressured Zelensky to investigate his number one opponent "as a favor" after reminding him about how much aid the US gives him. Whether that conduct aligns with things that sh##heads like Schiff want is besides the point. POTUS went too far. Impeachably so? Not sure but he's closer with this than the obstruction. HAHAHAHAHA. Sybil, you should take a reading comprehension course. Lawyers shouldn't engineer evidence. Any thinking person (so that gives you an out) would realize that the time to make a big deal about Biden would be after he won the nomination. Did you not notice that the telephone conversation (after the niceties) centered around 2016? What about the reference to Crowd Strike? You're trying too hard to find a way to support a premise that's just false. Dare I say, it's some pretty lousy engineering on your part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 16 hours ago, Chef Jim said: My mother almost cried and said “you’re a Republican?” No way mom. I’m a conservative! Barber Conable one of the last true statesmen in Congress lived in our little village. He had a tree planted in front of each house. My mom said she kidded with him that ours died because she was a Democrat. Barber Conable came to speak at Cornell University while I was there during the mid-1980's and I was fortunate that I was allowed to attend the event. His speech was covered for one finance class I had shortly thereafter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: That's funny. You think standards are the same for Democratic and Republican Presidents. You’ll note I said “should”. That said, the treaty, fully ratified, is law. The President is explicitly authorized to do exactly what he did. In fact, he is expected to faithfully execute our laws. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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