oldmanfan Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 47 minutes ago, Goldenrod2000 said: Except that you, if falsely accused of a crime would feel differently and would not want people to rush to judgement That is why I said we have to wait for the investigation. Do I side more with women in this situation in general? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: Of course. Outcry witnesses are huge in sexual assault cases. As a I society we have almost completed the circle. We have gone from a society where only relations between married people were acceptable, all the way through the sexual revolution back to a society where at least any public person is practically insane to be alone in the company of anyone other than their spouse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted September 11, 2019 Author Share Posted September 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mojo44 said: FWIW. I’m a clinical psychologist. I have been treating patients in my community for 40 years. I kid you not when I tell you that I have done at least 500 evaluations of victims of sexual assault, mostly female. In these situations the victim feels intense shame, embarrassment, and a very real fear that no one will believe her. Also, they may have real concern over their financial or employment status if they make a report. Clearly we have to wait until due process is done and, hopefully, something close to the truth comes out. However, all of the facts behind this woman filing this case including waiting as long as she did and never lodging a criminal complaint are quite typical. In this case the accused is AB which adds an entire other layer to to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Mojo44 said: FWIW. I’m a clinical psychologist. I have been treating patients in my community for 40 years. I kid you not when I tell you that I have done at least 500 evaluations of victims of sexual assault, mostly female. In these situations the victim feels intense shame, embarrassment, and a very real fear that no one will believe her. Also, they may have real concern over their financial or employment status if they make a report. Clearly we have to wait until due process is done and, hopefully, something close to the truth comes out. However, all of the facts behind this woman filing this case including waiting as long as she did and never lodging a criminal complaint are quite typical. I will stipulate everything you say here is correct. Unfortunately, false accusations are also a thing, and also entirely consistent with this typical fact set. Edited September 11, 2019 by PlayoffsPlease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 46 minutes ago, 5 Wide said: To me, a guy like Antonio Brown may have raped her, and doesn't even realize it. So as to say, a narcissistic self centered guy of generally bad character is used to getting his way regardless of what people say and do. What was a nothing incident to him was actually him imposing his will in an assault. Agree. He may not even know the difference between right and wrong in this particular area. When you read his texts it's fair to say he doesn't have much respect for women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JohnC Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, Limeaid said: I do not think it has change view one way or another. They signed a coach out of game for years to 10 year/$100 million contract (back loaded due to funding issues), traded away best defense player in the league, etc. This is small potatoes and they structured contract right for risk. I wonder if they ever got fine money? Keeping him suspended and constantly fining him may have helped with money issues. Gruden was signed for a 10 year contract for $100 M. That in itself made no sense. Gruden comes in and starts dismantling the team with the expectation of rebuilding it. Why would you bring in such a volatile and erratic veteran player like AB when you are in a rebuilding mode? I agree with you that the AB saga in of itself might be small potatatoes but when you accumulate a lot of rotten small potatoes you end up with a sack full of it. If I recall correctly(?) the Raiders gave up two third round picks for the combustible receiver. Those picks could have been useful for the rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 minute ago, PlayoffsPlease said: I will stipulate everything you say here is correct. Unfortunately, false accusations are also a thing, and also entirely consistent with this typical fact set. I agree with you. False accusations certainly occur. This is why we need due process. However, false accusations are, by far, the exception not the rule. 3 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: In this case the accused is AB which adds an entire other layer to to it True dat! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Should the NFL put AB of the commissioners exempt list while the courts figure this out???? Some of those text are pretty damning! Also it is the NFLs 100 anniversary and AB has really tarnished the NFL shield ? this whole year. What you guys think will happen in the next few days??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SectionC3 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 14 minutes ago, Limeaid said: If the person is willing to talk or will just say "I cannot remember". They talk. Outcries normally are made to a trusted person e.g., loved one, friend, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Very Interesting...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 23 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Except they should have suspended him BEFORE they let him go but just wanted the media frenzy gone. I did say "borderline." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Just now, DC Tom said: I did say "borderline." Everything about the Raisins is borderline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, wppete said: Should the NFL put AB of the commissioners exempt list while the courts figure this out???? Some of those text are pretty damning! Also it is the NFLs 100 anniversary and AB has really tarnished the NFL shield ? this whole year. What you guys think will happen in the next few days??? I read someone that said Goodell is leaning toward that. But unsure of validity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: This point was made in the complaint. The polygraph results are inadmissible. The reference to the polygraph in the complaint was made to affect public opinion. And, frankly, it’s good lawyering to put her to a polygraph. In a high profile case like this, competent counsel should perform his/her own polygraph of the client before commencing a lawsuit. It’s a sign to me that her lawyers know what they’re doing, have worked the case up a bit before commencing the action, and aren’t going to get rolled by the threat of a counterclaim for libel/slander. Brown’s not dealing with a bunch of clowns here, and if I was him I’d like for the best female litigator in this area that I could find. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: This point was made in the complaint. The polygraph results are inadmissible. The reference to the polygraph in the complaint was made to affect public opinion. And, frankly, it’s good lawyering to put her to a polygraph. In a high profile case like this, competent counsel should perform his/her own polygraph of the client before commencing a lawsuit. It’s a sign to me that her lawyers know what they’re doing, have worked the case up a bit before commencing the action, and aren’t going to get rolled by the threat of a counterclaim for libel/slander. Brown’s not dealing with a bunch of clowns here, and if I was him I’d like for the best female litigator in this area that I could find. Good points. Who knows what really happened but, based on the information available, this does not come across as frivolous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: This point was made in the complaint. The polygraph results are inadmissible. The reference to the polygraph in the complaint was made to affect public opinion. And, frankly, it’s good lawyering to put her to a polygraph. In a high profile case like this, competent counsel should perform his/her own polygraph of the client before commencing a lawsuit. It’s a sign to me that her lawyers know what they’re doing, have worked the case up a bit before commencing the action, and aren’t going to get rolled by the threat of a counterclaim for libel/slander. Brown’s not dealing with a bunch of clowns here, and if I was him I’d like for the best female litigator in this area that I could find. I’m surprised that AB can digest a playbook or even pass Middle school looking at those emails so i don’t expect any smart decisions on his part 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Just now, YoloinOhio said: I’m surprised that AB can digest a playbook or even pass Middle school looking at those emails so i don’t expect any smart decisions on his part That was my exact reaction - how does this guy learn the plays?? He's illiterate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted September 11, 2019 Author Share Posted September 11, 2019 Just now, YoloinOhio said: I’m surprised that AB can digest a playbook or even pass Middle school looking at those emails so i don’t expect any smart decisions on his part Middle school is a stretch... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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