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Carl Paladino: Put new stadium in Cobblestone district

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5 minutes ago, zonabb said:

Downtown is not likely. I've outlined the reasons here multiple times. Pala-dinosaur is angling for his own benefit and not the benefit of the city, which he has NEVER given two sheets about. He knows downtown is unlikely and this is a classic attempt to build public support for the most expensive option regarding a new stadium. Now, if the Pegulas want to shell out the entire cost, let them. But those greedy corporate frackers will certain turn their grubby palms up and ask taxpayers to help. And if that's the case, the location decision is directly connected to cost first, and again, downtown will be the most costly. No question. Again: land acquisition will be costly and almost certainly require the City to utilize its eminent domain powers to take land from owners. Politically, shelling our millions will be challenging enough, taking people's land on top of it, and lower and moderate income people's land at that, isn't a good look for a mayor, esp. a Democrat Mayor doing it for a fracking billionaire. Add in the massive investment in infrastructure to service that stadium in an old, dense, deteriorated, industrial part of town, it's wicked costly before a penny is spent on the actual building. So everyone can pine for a downtown arena all you want, my knowledge/connections, understanding of land development and costs, has my money on continuing to prop up the current stadium or build across the street from it. 

The Pegulas are well aware that wherever they decide to build a new stadium (if they do) they will be bearing the brunt of the cost of the stadium. And they are sophisticated enough to realize that building within the city is going to be extraordinarily complex financially, politically, legally and time consuming. I just don't see that type of daunting challenge materializing within the city and the waterfront. 

 

It wouldn't surprise me that when their own feasibility study is completed the most reasonable option will be either dramatically renovating the current stadium or building a new stadium on the land near where the current stadium resides. 

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12 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:

Ahhhh,,,still limited in roads in and out because the lake and river have not changed.

 

Bigger cities with downtown stadiums have rivers and lakes to deal with and manage somehow.

6 minutes ago, dneveu said:

umm where?  

 

I always thought conway park would work - lot of project tear-downs to make it work though.  Where do you put all those people?

 

I think Perry Projects are more than half empty now anyway.

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9 hours ago, mrags said:

So is Brian Moorman. But everyone here loves him for some reason. 

Because he was the best player on our team for years. 

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3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Bigger cities with downtown stadiums have rivers and lakes to deal with and manage somehow.

 

I think Perry Projects are more than half empty now anyway.

 

Honestly its probably more than half empty.  The low rise stuff near conway is a ghost town.

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4 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Because he was the best player on our team for years. 

That’s sad

 

and even sadder that people care about the punter. 

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57 minutes ago, chris heff said:

Last summer I stayed at the Marriott Canal Side. I had not been to downtown Buffalo in decades. It is significantly better. I know there are a lot of people that would like the Bills to stay in Orchard Park. If my memory serves me, I believe they Bills ended up in Orchard Park by default. I think downtown still has a way to go. Just my opinion, but I think a stadium downtown is the right location. 

Gotta say downtown Buffalo has never been better.  New stuff being built every time I go there.  It’s starting to look like a real city!!!

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10 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Bigger cities with downtown stadiums have rivers and lakes to deal with and manage somehow.

 

I think Perry Projects are more than half empty now anyway.

Yeah, I don’t think they are renewing any leases there.  That would be a great location.  They could also extend a subway route there.

13 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Because he was the best player on our team for years. 

That is such a sad statement. 

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20 minutes ago, JohnC said:

The Pegulas are well aware that wherever they decide to build a new stadium (if they do) they will be bearing the brunt of the cost of the stadium. And they are sophisticated enough to realize that building within the city is going to be extraordinarily complex financially, politically, legally and time consuming. I just don't see that type of daunting challenge materializing within the city and the waterfront. 

 

It wouldn't surprise me that when their own feasibility study is completed the most reasonable option will be either dramatically renovating the current stadium or building a new stadium on the land near where the current stadium resides. 

 

I agree with these.  Between land acquisition and infrastructure, we could be talking doubling the cost of the stadium.  The benefits to the downtown 'foot traffic' are very minimal as proportioned with the investment.

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3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yeah, I don’t think they are renewing any leases there.  That would be a great location.  They could also extend a subway route there.

That is such a sad statement. 

 

Some sort of train would be huge - you could build parking there, but you could also run something west-east to help alleviate traffic from there.  Its hard to get in and out of there with only one highway access.  Building up some way to get to route 5 easier would be good for south towners.  North towners can go both directions on 190 and still head home.  

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4 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

I had an interesting conversation with a guy from Cleveland yesterday who said the stadium. In Buffalo sucks.  He was not being a dick just honest in hos opinion.  I told him that while I agreed that the concessions and amenities were lacking compared to other NFL stadiums it was a great place to watch the game.  He agreed with this adding that the bowl concept really works well.  

 

So for me, I would love the idea of a major overhaul of the current stadium. Keep the bowl and build better access, concession areas and restrooms.

 

So....improve the “beer in, beer out” experience? 

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Build a dome downtown.  Then compete for the Final 4 and other events.   A year-round, downtown stadium (which is what a Dome is) would bring concerts, and other activities to downtown.  If Buffalo's rebirth is anything like Pittsburgh, and I suspect it is, having a lot of events downtown drives increases in restaurant and hotel openings, existing ones staying open longer, and provides a place for people to congregate before and after events.  

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1 hour ago, dneveu said:

 

Some sort of train would be huge - you could build parking there, but you could also run something west-east to help alleviate traffic from there.  Its hard to get in and out of there with only one highway access.  Building up some way to get to route 5 easier would be good for south towners.  North towners can go both directions on 190 and still head home.  

I believe there is a plan to extend the subway (I know people from WNy who didn’t even know BuffAlo had a subway!) to extend to AMHERST.  So if you build the stadium in the Perry projects and then build another stop there, that could help with some of the traffic.  

 

I love the Ralph and OP.  But it’s a matter of time before we have a downtown stadium. 

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Just keep the stadium where it is. Retrofit and upgrade. 

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I still have not read a convincing argument that demonstrates how a football stadium that will sit idle for 300++ days per year will revitalize anything.  Baseball stadium sure, Coors Field here turned what used to be skid-row into the hottest and most active part of downtown Denver.  NO ONE considers the area around Invesco Field/Mile High a destination by any stretch of the imagination

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Just now, coloradobillsfan said:

I still have not read a convincing argument that demonstrates how a football stadium that will sit idle for 300++ days per year will revitalize anything.  Baseball stadium sure, Coors Field here turned what used to be skid-row into the hottest and most active part of downtown Denver.  NO ONE considers the area around Invesco Field/Mile High a destination by any stretch of the imagination

You’re the right.  The impact is overblown.  Honestly, downtown is already seeing a Renaissance.  I think a stadium would just be a cherry on the top.   But I guess In theory,  more people will stay in hotels and spend their money downtown.  If anything, it will just hurt OP.

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2 minutes ago, coloradobillsfan said:

I still have not read a convincing argument that demonstrates how a football stadium that will sit idle for 300++ days per year will revitalize anything.  Baseball stadium sure, Coors Field here turned what used to be skid-row into the hottest and most active part of downtown Denver.  NO ONE considers the area around Invesco Field/Mile High a destination by any stretch of the imagination

 

This.  There really aren't many worthwhile  things in Buffalo that an indoor football facility would handle that the arena cannot.  

 

 

I have been harping on a nice amphitheater downtown, similar to the Molson Amphitheatre.  That would draw in a lot of people up to 80 dates a year.

 

 

Ultimately, we need at least 1 (or more) fortune 500 companies to be headquartered downtown.  

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1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

So....improve the “beer in, beer out” experience? 

I’ve been to Mercedes Benz Stadium, it is pretty nice. Big wide concourses, concessions and rest rooms everywhere. Comfortable places to hang out when not in your seat. Comfortable places to eat and drink. I did not find myself longing for the chain link “concourses “ of the Old Rockpile.

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37 minutes ago, coloradobillsfan said:

I still have not read a convincing argument that demonstrates how a football stadium that will sit idle for 300++ days per year will revitalize anything.  Baseball stadium sure, Coors Field here turned what used to be skid-row into the hottest and most active part of downtown Denver.  NO ONE considers the area around Invesco Field/Mile High a destination by any stretch of the imagination

Look at Petco park. Tons of restaurants built into the stadium Thrives year round.

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1 minute ago, Fan in San Diego said:

Look at Petco park. Tons of restaurants built into the stadium Thrives year round.

 

We are past the critical mass of restaurants and breweries without a fortune 500 company(s).

 

Also, I wouldnt want to see all the independently owned restaurants and breweries to be snuffed out by McFaddens and other large scale sports bars that are likely to open in a new NFL facility.

 

Third.... San Diego vs Buffalo.  I love Buffalo, but I will acknowledge there are many things San Diego has going for it that we do not.

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13 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

I wonder if this has anything to do with it:

 

Paladino, whose Ellicott Development Co. already owns a significant portion of land in the neighborhood, 

 

Poloncarz sounded like he was completely against a stadium in downtown.  While a politician may not be able to stop a private entity from this, he can make it very difficult on the Pegulas.

 

Of course that's why Paladino wants to build the stadium in the Cobblestone District.  It's the way he's operated for decades in Buffalo: buy old properties in/near downtown Buffalo cheap and wait for his pals in City Hall to decide to "redevelop" the area when he can sell them for significantly more than they're worth.  One of the reasons why he went into politics several years ago was because the current Buffalo mayor, Byron Brown, isn't a Paladino crony, so his pipeline to inside City Hall information was cut off.  Poloncarz isn't a Paladino crony, either.

 

I think if the Pegulas want city/county/state money for a new stadium, they will have to make a deal with the politicians, none of whom who have the power, are fans of Paladino.  If the Pegulas choose to build a stadium with private money, then they can do what they want.  They best be careful if they deal with Paladino, though; honesty and integrity aren't his stock in trade.

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2 hours ago, JohnC said:

building within the city is going to be extraordinarily complex financially, politically, legally and time consuming

Truth.

 

You just know when they break ground the first day they'll find Native American remains--and the whole project will be called off.

 

Or some endangered owl will be discovered nesting. Or some neckbearded preservationists will file an injunction.

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15 minutes ago, Fan in San Diego said:

Look at Petco park. Tons of restaurants built into the stadium Thrives year round.

 

Okay I just did, and it says it's a baseball park.  So I need some clarification on your point

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Pro stadiums very, very rarely pay back into the community. It’s accepted fact, plenty of professional studies and articles out there that prove it.

 

It would be a hulking waste of prime downtown space in Cobblestone.

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34 minutes ago, boater said:

Truth.

 

You just know when they break ground the first day they'll find Native American remains--and the whole project will be called off.

 

Or some endangered owl will be discovered nesting. Or some neckbearded preservationists will file an injunction.

The people who advocated for building a New Peace bridge to replace or augment the decrepit old bridge know exactly what you are talking about. :)

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