Who Will Be Better in 2019 - The Bills or The Jets

[teef]

4 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Beyond the Petetman failure the next biggest mistake was keeping Derek Anderson as the #2.   

 

Sure, no one was thrilled with Barkley, but he put DA to shame.  Maybe just maybe those 2 games could have made a difference in the WC hunt. 

 

there was definitely weird mismanagement at the qb position, but moving forward that only thing that matters is allen's development.  i really don't know if this staff can pull it together, but i feel far more confident in them than i have with past coaches, (rex, chan, jauron, etc).

[MacGyver]

23 minutes ago, teef said:

i understand that some choose to be outraged by last year, and let's face it...it didn't go well.  i was expecting that and was willing to put up with it in hopes that this year it finally comes together.  the record with mcd last year isn't a good measure as who he is as a coach for me.  this is the year i think we'll really know who we have.  if there's no significant progress this season, we're likely screwed.

 

McDermott is not a good game day, decision making coach.  Maybe he's good with the culture stuff, but that's not going to win SB's.  Levy was also not the best game day decision making coach. Had ridiculous HOF talent all over the field and still couldn't get it done.  Some kind of Buffalo coaching curse maybe. 

 

McDermott passed on Mahomes and had to trade a bunch of assets for a 50% passer the following draft, that's a bad deal and speaks to his lack of talent evaluation prowess.

 

I expect a typical cap era Buffalo Bills season ~6 to 8 wins and one more season of McBeane in 2020.

 

EDIT: Also Nathan Peterman...  Any coach who thinks that was a good idea can't be a very good HC.

Edited July 23, 2019 by MacGyver

[DefenseWins]

I think both these teams have improved since last season and that they are very similar in most respects. Each team has question marks that will unfold as the season goes along. Coaching I'd give the edge to McD over Gase. Overall I think injuries will be the primary determining factor separating the two teams final record. 

[Captain Hindsight]

14 hours ago, Big C said:

I really don't know what people saw in Darnold last year that makes them think he's so far ahead of Allen.

Agreed. I think both of them will be studs, but I dont see Darnold as soooo much  better right now that its not even close. Some pre-draft bias would be my guess

[Royale with Cheese]

This is an excellent first test.  This will tell us a lot, not all, but a lot.  One of these teams needs to step up in the east and we'll see who it is early on.

 

The good thing is there's a lot of pressure on the Jets for this game.  Look at their next 5:

• Browns
• Pats
• Eagles
• Cowboys
• Pats

They get themselves too much into a hole early on.

[eball]

9 minutes ago, MacGyver said:

 

McDermott is not a good game day, decision making coach.  Maybe he's good with the culture stuff, but that's not going to win SB's.  Levy was also not the best game day decision making coach. Had ridiculous HOF talent all over the field and still couldn't get it done.  Some kind of Buffalo coaching curse maybe. 

 

McDermott passed on Mahomes and had to trade a bunch of assets for a 50% passer the following draft, that's a bad deal and speaks to his lack of talent evaluation prowess.

 

I expect a typical cap era Buffalo Bills season ~6 to 8 wins and one more season of McBeane in 2020.

 

Tre White?  Matt Milano?  Dion Dawkins?  I don't think selecting three starters in his first draft helps your argument.

 

As for McD on game day I'd say that's a work in progress, but I would hope you're not presuming a HC can't improve in this area.

 

Edited July 23, 2019 by eball

[Captain Hindsight]

51 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am no Gase defender, I think he is a poor Head Coach, but Tannehill is definitely not a decent QB. 

Eh I would put him in the decent category. He's like Andy Dalton. Can win with him, can lose with him. He wont be the reason either way

[Phil The Thrill]

3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Your threads make no sense at this time of year. It’s like asking who is a worse poster, Phil the Thrill or Billy White Shows. It’s all conjecture at this point. Please stop.

 

Wow....Thanks for such a professional comment.  Your feedback is very much appreciated.

 

I’m sorry that you didn’t like the topic of the thread but based on the engagement, other members apparently disagree and have enjoyed discussing this hypothetical question.

 

Also Im going to politely to ask you to stop with the insults and please follow the guidelines for professional conduct set by the moderators of this forum.

 

Thank you and have a blessed day 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Captain Hindsight said:

Eh I would put him in the decent category. He's like Andy Dalton. Can win with him, can lose with him. He wont be the reason either way

 

I put him in the Tyrod Taylor category. I would take Dalton above him every day. Dalton is a good game manager. Tannehill and Tyrod..... meh. 

[Captain Hindsight]

29 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Beyond the Petetman failure the next biggest mistake was keeping Derek Anderson as the #2.   

 

Sure, no one was thrilled with Barkley, but he put DA to shame.  Maybe just maybe those 2 games could have made a difference in the WC hunt. 

 

Well considering we didnt sign Barkley until after DA was hurt, that would have been difficult.

 

IIRC Barkley was hurt early last year before we had the opportunity to sign him

[teef]

12 minutes ago, MacGyver said:

 

McDermott is not a good game day, decision making coach.  Maybe he's good with the culture stuff, but that's not going to win SB's.  Levy was also not the best game day decision making coach. Had ridiculous HOF talent all over the field and still couldn't get it done.  Some kind of Buffalo coaching curse maybe. 

 

McDermott passed on Mahomes and had to trade a bunch of assets for a 50% passer the following draft, that's a bad deal and speaks to his lack of talent evaluation prowess.

 

I expect a typical cap era Buffalo Bills season ~6 to 8 wins and one more season of McBeane in 2020.

 

EDIT: Also Nathan Peterman...  Any coach who thinks that was a good idea can't be a very good HC.

you literally refuse to respond to any of my comments towards you t-bomb, and now you do?  timing is a little weird, but i appreciate it.

 

you could be right with all of this, but in your typical fashion, i think you're trying far to hard to emphasize any possible negative points while ignoring any gains.  do you think this staff has done anything right?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

17 minutes ago, teef said:

there was definitely weird mismanagement at the qb position, but moving forward that only thing that matters is allen's development.  i really don't know if this staff can pull it together, but i feel far more confident in them than i have with past coaches, (rex, chan, jauron, etc).

damn straight

 

when was the last time we had a reasoned 3rd year coach going into a season with (what we all assume is) a young 2nd season QB with confidence and talent to lead the team?

 

its been a long long time 

2 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

Wow....Thanks for such a professional comment.  Your feedback is very much appreciated.

 

I’m sorry that you didn’t like the topic of the thread but based on the engagement, other members apparently disagree and have enjoyed discussing this hypothetical question.

 

Also Im going to politely to ask you to stop with the insults and please follow the guidelines for professional conduct set by the moderators of this forum.

 

Thank you and have a blessed day 

 

Oh 

My 

Goodness

[Captain Hindsight]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I put him in the Tyrod Taylor category. I would take Dalton above him every day. Dalton is a good game manager. Tannehill and Tyrod..... meh. 

Thats fair. I guess it just depends on definition of decent. 

 

When I think Decent, i think flashes of good but overall meh

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

43 minutes ago, teef said:

i understand that some choose to be outraged by last year, and let's face it...it didn't go well.  i was expecting that and was willing to put up with it in hopes that this year it finally comes together.  the record with mcd last year isn't a good measure as who he is as a coach for me.  this is the year i think we'll really know who we have.  if there's no significant progress this season, we're likely screwed.

 

I have never been able to wrap my head around the idea that people last year thought we were on course for a different result. The plan (even from year one) just seemed so obvious to me. 

[teef]

4 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

I have never been able to wrap my head around the idea that people last year thought we were on course for a different result. The plan (even from year one) just seemed so obvious to me. 

agreed.  again, i'm not over looking the mistakes that happened in 2018, but this year is the results year.  even though i'm expecting improvement this year, i still don't think they'll be a final product yet, an that's ok as long as we see a marked improvement at the qb position and real competition towards a wild card spot.

[MacGyver]

15 minutes ago, teef said:

you literally refuse to respond to any of my comments towards you t-bomb, and now you do?  timing is a little weird, but i appreciate it.

 

you could be right with all of this, but in your typical fashion, i think you're trying far to hard to emphasize any possible negative points while ignoring any gains.  do you think this staff has done anything right?

 

Yes, they have done some things right, but things that in the end won't matter all that much.

 

Passing on Mahomes, picking a 50% passer instead, thinking Peterman was a good idea.

 

We all know that QB is pretty much all that matters in this league and they have shown gross ineptitude concerning that position.

 

And I also only respond to comments I care about, sorry I don't care about the vast majority of your comments.

Edited July 23, 2019 by MacGyver

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

oye with the we could have had Mahomes.

 

Hell We could of had Tom Brady  before the 6th round or D Watson

 

Hell, if you want to play who could have

 

The Houston Texans drafted Watson in the first round (12th overall) of the 2017 NFL Draft, in which the  Texans acquired the pick from the Cleveland Browns!!!

 

How good were the Browns at the end of 2016?   O four??  or 1 for? 

[Victory Formation]

Mahomes would not have looked good here, I'm sorry. He literally landed in an offense with numerous weapons, a very good QB to mentor him along with Andy Reid who is one of the best in the business, all around just a golden situation to be in. Allen had none of this structure, his supporting cast was sketchy at best. For all we know Allen can be a TD machine in 2019. It's too early to kick ourselves over Mahomes. Kansas City may never win a Super Bowl in typical Andy Reid fashion while Allen goes on to bring us multiple Lombardi's.

[Bleedingreennc]

I say the Bill's, we are coming into the season with new staff and I'm sure there will be growing pains.

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

Based on my "limited knowledge"  I like Allen much better than I do Darnold.

 

 

I like Allen better, too, but only because I have never liked Darnold.  Darnold reminds me of other over-hyped USC QBs like Sanchez and Leinart.   He does have better passing skills at present than Allen, so it's possible that he might put up better stats as a sophomore.   Allen has a longer way to go mechanically but I think if he can learn to make better decisions, he can have a better long term NFL career.

 

1 hour ago, teef said:

i understand that some choose to be outraged by last year, and let's face it...it didn't go well.  i was expecting that and was willing to put up with it in hopes that this year it finally comes together.  the record with mcd last year isn't a good measure as who he is as a coach for me.  this is the year i think we'll really know who we have.  if there's no significant progress this season, we're likely screwed.

 

This.  I have a set of criteria that I would consider indicate significant progress this season: (without significant injuries, especially to Allen)

• 8 wins with fewer losses by 2+ TDs (they had 5 in 2018) ;
• Allen showing significant improvement as a passer, especially in his decision making;
• the defense improving both their run and Red Zone defense.

 

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

You can do better than that Gunner.  (Well, I guess not living here may be why you missed these) 

 

How do they fair in Tampa and Jacksonville?  

Nashville is as oppressive with humidity as South Florida? 

Early September in DC and Baltimore and Philly can all get oppressive with humidity.

 

 

Gunner is pretty dead on about the Patriots' problems with the Fins.  For whatever reason, it seems that the Patriots are most likely to have a collective brain fart and lose to the Carp, especially in Miami, than to any other team.  Fifteen years ago, the Pats came storming into Miami after Wannstadt was fired and lost 29-28 on a last minute TD from AJ Feeley to Derrius Thomas.

 

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Beyond the Petetman failure the next biggest mistake was keeping Derek Anderson as the #2.   

 

Sure, no one was thrilled with Barkley, but he put DA to shame.  Maybe just maybe those 2 games could have made a difference in the WC hunt. 

 

 

The mistake wasn't keeping Anderson, it was signing him at all -- and waiting almost a month to do it.  They should have signed Barkley immediately after the season opener.   They likely would have won the Houston game with Barkley but they lost all chance when Peterman threw his patented pick six.

 

Edited July 23, 2019 by SoTier

[teef]

30 minutes ago, MacGyver said:

 

Yes, they have done some things right, but things that in the end won't matter all that much.

 

Passing on Mahomes, picking a 50% passer instead, thinking Peterman was a good idea.

 

We all know that QB is pretty much all that matters in this league and they have shown gross ineptitude concerning that position.

 

And I also only respond to comments I care about, sorry I don't care about the vast majority of your comments.

ok.  you've made up you mind.  you've taken the pessimistic route as you tend to, and you very well could be right, but i'm at least going to let this year play out and see if their plan is effective.

 

as far as mahomes goes, it get it, but it's tired.  there are a few who will always bring it up on here as a way to complain or take criticism with this staff.  i personally feel a lot if it is hindsight.  mcd could take this team deep into the playoffs over the next few years, and posters like you will always bring that up as a complaint.  

 

concerning about not responding to my comments...you know why.  it's not that you don't care, but it's because i call you out on your nonsense.  this is your third user name on here.  you've been t-bomb, then white dwarf, and not this character.  you're the type of guy that won't go to bills games because you're scared of drinking, and you've even gone so far to compare yourself to sheldon of the big band theory.  a little on the sad side for me, but we all have to be true to ourselves i guess.

1 minute ago, SoTier said:

 

 

 

This.  I have a set of criteria that I would consider indicate significant progress this season: (without significant injuries, especially to Allen)

• 8 wins with fewer losses by 2+ TDs (they had 5 in 2018) ;
• Allen showing significant improvement as a passer, especially in his decision making;
• the defense improving both their run and Red Zone defense.

 

 

 

absolutely, and i think what you're looking for is very, very reasonable.  i'd even be disappointed if this team can't squeeze out more than 8 wins.   

 

they had an interview with allen on sirius the other day, and one of his comments stood out to me.  he stated that when watching tapes, it was disappointed with some of the dumb decisions he made.  he's aware of them and has worked to limit them on the field this year. with an improvement in wrs, and limiting mistakes, josh can be a significantly better qb this year, accuracy aside.

[MacGyver]

3 minutes ago, teef said:

concerning about not responding to my comments...you know why.  it's not that you don't care, but it's because i call you out on your nonsense.  this is your third user name on here.  you've been t-bomb, then white dwarf, and not this character.  you're the type of guy that won't go to bills games because you're scared of drinking, and you've even gone so far to compare yourself to sheldon of the big band theory.  a little on the sad side for me, but we all have to be true to ourselves i guess.

 

Wow, what color is the sky in your world?  Also, are you a mod or something?  I don't really know you or any others on this forum, just reply to stupid comments for the most part.

 

 

[teef]

Just now, MacGyver said:

 

Wow, what color is the sky in your world?  Also, are you a mod or something?  I don't really know you or any others on this forum, just reply to stupid comments for the most part.

 

 

you stated why you don't respond to my comments, and it wasn't true.  i just needed to set you straight.  am i wrong with anything i said?  were you not those people?  i don't care, i just find it funny that you are so abrasive that you've had to change names 3 times just so posters will deal with you.  i like  that you're here.  it brings color to the board.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

8 minutes ago, MacGyver said:

 

Wow, what color is the sky in your world?  Also, are you a mod or something?  I don't really know you or any others on this forum, just reply to stupid comments for the most part.

 

 

 

I think the term is Well respected member of the community 

[MacGyver]

5 minutes ago, teef said:

you stated why you don't respond to my comments, and it wasn't true.  i just needed to set you straight.  am i wrong with anything i said?  were you not those people?  i don't care, i just find it funny that you are so abrasive that you've had to change names 3 times just so posters will deal with you.  i like  that you're here.  it brings color to the board.  

 

You're acting like I am supposed to know who you are. It's weird.  Why don't I respond to your comments specifically?  I have no idea really, I only respond to a handful when I feel the need to.  I have been to Bills games and I drink socially when I feel like it.  Are all Bills fans who are not homers the same dude to you or something?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

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this is your third user name on here.  you've been t-bomb, then white dwarf, and now this character.

 

Out of curiosity .... Is this true?  3 others? 

 

You can change your screen name and a good portion of you Internet Persona, but some personality aspects can not be hidden.

 

mu fuzzy recollection  t-bomb, then white dwarf may not have been "well respected" 

[MacGyver]

8 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

I think the term is Well respected member of the community 

 

And?  That means I am supposed to treat his responses differently or something?  I am getting a cult type vibe from you guys tbh.  I have never changed my screen name here, don't even know how.  And WTF does this have to do with Jets vs. Bills?

Edited July 23, 2019 by MacGyver

[teef]

6 minutes ago, MacGyver said:

 

You're acting like I am supposed to know who you are. It's weird.  Why don't I respond to your comments specifically?  I have no idea really, I only respond to a handful when I feel the need to.  I have been to Bills games and I drink socially when I feel like it.  Are all Bills fans who are not homers the same dude to you or something?

ok.  i guess that's an easy card to play.  you be you t-bomb.  i'm just here to hang out.

7 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

Out of curiosity .... Is this true?  3 others? 

 

You can change your screen name and a good portion of you Internet Persona, but some personality aspects can not be hidden.

 

mu fuzzy recollection  t-bomb, then white dwarf may not have been "well respected" 

there's zero doubt in my mind.  he's trying to change it up right now, but i guarantee that's who he is.  not a big deal, and to be honest, i'm not even sure why he changed it up.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, teef said:

ok.  i guess that's an easy card to play.  you be you t-bomb.  i'm just here to hang out.

 

Is he also the one who said a Head Coach is an easy job?

[teef]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Is he also the one who said a Head Coach is an easy job?

ohhhhhh.  was that him?  i sure remember that comment, but i don't remember if it was him.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

5 minutes ago, teef said:

ok.  i guess that's an easy card to play.  you be you t-bomb.  i'm just here to hang out.

there's zero doubt in my mind.  he's trying to change it up right now, but i guarantee that's who he is.  not a big deal, and to be honest, i'm not even sure why he changed it up.

 

Not a big deal at all.    

8 minutes ago, MacGyver said:

 

And?  That means I am supposed to treat his responses differently or something?  I am getting a cult type vibe from you guys tbh.  I have never changed my screen name here, don't even know how.  And WTF does this have to do with Jets vs. Bills?

 

It means that before you accuse people of being basically being an A Hole you should first determine who you are communicating with. 

 

Well respected people here, typically are not A holes (with the exception of their friends)  

[MacGyver]

I reply to the guy one time then get personally attacked.  I guess I know the first person I'll ever block here.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

If teef is giving someone "grief". then there is usually a good reason for it. 

 

As for having multiple names and accounts ....  Have at it.   I've had 3, 4 maybe 5 accounts here over the decades. 

 

Some I abandoned myself to focus on other sites. 1 or 2 I may have been asked to leave because my intent with those accounts was to troll people.  

[Royale with Cheese]

It's like the Capulet's and the Montague's.  

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

It's like the Capulet's and the Montague's.  

 

Or the Sharks and the...Jets.

[teef]

9 minutes ago, MacGyver said:

I reply to the guy one time then get personally attacked.  I guess I know the first person I'll ever block here.

you didn't have to reply to me at all.  i like that you did, but as i mentioned before, you've ignored me in the past because i've pointed out who you were.  i honestly thought you had me on ignore before.  you wanted to get all t-bomb in this thread for some reason, so it came up.  if i'm a bit too hard core for you, you can block me.  the internet isn't for everyone.  

10 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

If teef is giving someone "grief". then there is usually a good reason for it. 

 

As for having multiple names and accounts ....  Have at it.   I've had 3, 4 maybe 5 accounts here over the decades. 

 

Some I abandoned myself to focus on other sites. 1 or 2 I may have been asked to leave because my intent with those accounts was to troll people.  

i had to sign up for another account on the bbmb.  there were a couple of gems that would infract or delete 99% of what i posted.  i get that they wanted us off the board, but it got out of control quickly.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 minutes ago, teef said:

i had to sign up for another account on the bbmb.  there were a couple of gems that would infract or delete 99% of what i posted.  i get that they wanted us off the board, but it got out of control quickly.

 

LOL  I hear that 

 

I called Tranny   "Big Kahuna" once and got an infraction for calling names.  (Trans has always been so touchy you know)

I said Rob Ryan was fat and needed a haircut  and got an infraction for insulting the staff

 

[C.Biscuit97]

15 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

Darnold proved more efficient as a passer, but Allen has more potential to grow. Darnold was pretty much a finished product coming into the league. I'm not gonna say Allen will grow enough, but the ceiling is much higher. I'd have to rate them about equal right now.

 

Not quite sure why you'd rattle off skill position players as the defining answer to the question, but Beasley is better than Crowder. 

With all due respect, and you’re far from the only one,  I hate the words like potential and upside, especially when talking about qbs.  Jamarcus Russell has potential. So did Hackenberg.  So does Tyree Jackson.  Problem is qb requires so much more than arm strength and being big.  Sam Darnold is a full year younger than Allen and produced on a bigger stage. I think he became overrated in college but still has shown he play in big time spots.  I pray I’m wrong but I feel he is just a better qb than Allen.  Obviously a lot of other factors come into play since it’s a team game but I think they have the advantage there.

1 hour ago, NewDayBills said:

Mahomes would not have looked good here, I'm sorry. He literally landed in an offense with numerous weapons, a very good QB to mentor him along with Andy Reid who is one of the best in the business, all around just a golden situation to be in. Allen had none of this structure, his supporting cast was sketchy at best. For all we know Allen can be a TD machine in 2019. It's too early to kick ourselves over Mahomes. Kansas City may never win a Super Bowl in typical Andy Reid fashion while Allen goes on to bring us multiple Lombardi's.

Mahomes was awesome in college and had to carry one of the worst defenses in the country.  Maybe he would just be awesome anywhere.  

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

With all due respect, and you’re far from the only one,  I hate the words like potential and upside, especially when talking about qbs.  Jamarcus Russell has potential. So did Hackenberg.  So does Tyree Jackson.  Problem is qb requires so much more than arm strength and being big.  Sam Darnold is a full year younger than Allen and produced on a bigger stage. I think he became overrated in college but still has shown he play in big time spots.  I pray I’m wrong but I feel he is just a better qb than Allen.  Obviously a lot of other factors come into play since it’s a team game but I think they have the advantage there.

 

Sam Darnold didn't have to split in training camp reps with 2 other QB's like Allen did.  Darnold was the guy early on and was better prepared to start the season just because he was taking all the first team reps.  

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

11 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Seriously? 

How about a small bet? $5 says the Bills end the regular season with a better record than the Jets

Why would a Bills fan bet this?  I think what happens here is if you express any doubt over the Bills, you must hate the team.  I think we overrate our team (understandable) and underrate other teams (people were laughing at Miami preseason the year they made the playoffs).  I think this teams are dead even and how each qb progresses will show who will make the “leap.”  But to dismiss the Jets is silly ImO.