ddaryl Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Muhammad Ali would have been able to pummel sugar Ray Leonard. Just a fact. A big part of the reason is that Ali was much bigger. You can have discussions about hypothetical “pound for pound” arguments. But those don’t change the fact about who could pummel whom But this analogy proves the point that the metrics used to gauge "best Fans" (which I associate with Die Hard Fans) are skewed and favor the heavy weight with the longer reach. So to gauge true fandom the pound for pound debate must proceed and the data be utilized with per capita, median house hold incomes / disposable incomes.... need to be the metrics involved for true gauging fandom. Die hard fans tend to support their teams when the chips are down and money is tight. Fair weather fans disappear during these years.. The original study vastly overweight's population and teams riding recent winning traditions. Edited June 25, 2019 by ddaryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Next time Cowboys or Patriots fans, the top two on the list, rally around some cause or individual and donate their time and hard-earned money to some local or out of market charity or person in need of help I'll give them high marks for 'social equity'. But right now Bills fans are #1. What fan base reaches out and helps like this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 If this is “size” of fan base sure...best fan base though? Bills without question top 5, I mean Bills mafia shenanigans are legendary and make national news at times. Can’t say that for other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 the proper study finds that every fan base that remotely cares is convinced it's the best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 I strongly suspect that since this study comes out every year from Emory University, it is probably part of a basic statistics course. And, considering the quality of the study, and the annual complaints that get posted every damn year, I’d be surprised if this thing was subjected to any sort of peer review, other than the grade from the professor teaching Statistics 101. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 For anyone interested, the professor explains his logic here: https://scholarblogs.emory.edu/esma/2019/06/24/nfl-fandom-report-2019/ I remain unimpressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 i am a math teacher and i love statistics but social equity is completely unrelated to fan base devotion. i do not care what twitter has to say about the Bills or any of the teams in other sports i root for. but any fan base score that creates a way too put Miami, 49ers, and Atl over Buffalo and KC is absurd. in ATL and Miami there are as many Bills fans as local fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 17 hours ago, billsfan_34 said: This is comical- WE ARE THE NUMBER 1 FAN BASE ...resiliency and unwavering support despite a 17 year drought?.....find me otherwise...and we NEVER had to borrow Hefty Bags from Jax to fake a sellout................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 9 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said: Buffalo fans are #1 in my book. Any other team would have run Norewood out of town after SB 25. Bills fans flocked to the airport to greet him and their fellow teammates. Go Bills I wanted to run him out of town 4 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Next time Cowboys or Patriots fans, the top two on the list, rally around some cause or individual and donate their time and hard-earned money to some local or out of market charity or person in need of help I'll give them high marks for 'social equity'. But right now Bills fans are #1. What fan base reaches out and helps like this one? How do you know they don't? maybe they just don't publicize it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...resiliency and unwavering support despite a 17 year drought?.....find me otherwise...and we NEVER had to borrow Hefty Bags from Jax to fake a sellout................... ....don’t forget all the other heartbreaks we have been through yet, here we are!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 On 6/24/2019 at 8:36 PM, End The Drought said: https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/cowboys-patriots-fans-are-best-in-the-nfl-chiefs-los-angeles-lagging-study-153035364.html By some professor at Emory University ? Well, that's just absurdly wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2843690-mike-tanier-fixes-the-nfl-fanbase-rankings I guess this is better but still should be in the top 5 IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 My son is about to begin an MBA program at Emory. I’m sure they are better at that than ranking NFL fan bases. Clown show, and I won’t click. Just ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 If the Pats* win “only” 8-9 games, 2/3 of their “fans” disappear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Augie said: My son is about to begin an MBA program at Emory. I’m sure they are better at that than ranking NFL fan bases. Clown show, and I won’t click. Just ignorance. He'll be taking statistics. so it's entirely possible that he will be participating in the Emory Fandom Report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) All 3 of this guy’s metrics are measuring fanbase size, not quality. I think I’ve said this every year this BS gets linked here, but magnitude =/= quality or passion. The study is actually fine, but this hack gave it a meme title. If the title was “biggest” fanbase, not “best”, there would be no problem. Edited July 3, 2019 by JoPar_v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 26 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: He'll be taking statistics. so it's entirely possible that he will be participating in the Emory Fandom Report. I sent him the link. He’s on the lookout for the fool. It’s too late for detention, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 43 minutes ago, Augie said: I sent him the link. He’s on the lookout for the fool. It’s too late for detention, right? Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 On 6/24/2019 at 5:52 PM, May Day 10 said: These are the same flawed "stats" people often use to quantify fan-dom. They heavily favor large markets and teams who are good/bandwagoners To me, the best gauge of a fan base is to view how the fans are during the lean years. Kinda makes it rigged in our favor, given how many lean years we have compared to the rest of the league. 2 hours ago, Augie said: If the Pats* win “only” 8-9 games, 2/3 of their “fans” disappear. We'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 minute ago, klos63 said: Kinda makes it rigged in our favor, given how many lean years we have compared to the rest of the league. We'll never know. Ahhh, the end is nigh.....big picture, baby! ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Steelers #4 and Browns #27 per that list. Browns fans are better than Steelers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 On 6/25/2019 at 9:37 AM, hondo in seattle said: Dr. Lewis's methodology is just plain wrong. As ddaryl points out, Fan Equity, Social Equity, and Road Equity don't measure the right things. And to add to ddaryl's criticisms, how well a team draws on the road has little to do with the team's fans. People go to Pats games when they're on the road for many reasons other than they're Pats fans. If I were to rank NFL fans, I'd try to measure two unmeasureable traits: loyalty and mania. Loyalty - How much do fans support the team in bad years? Do the fans stay loyal to their team when circumstances change (place of residence, marriage, etc)? Mania - How rabid are the fans? How emotionally invested? How loud and crazy? I can't objectively prove my point but my subjective impression is that the Bills mafia rates high in both areas. During the past decade the Bills continually finished in the bottom 3rd, sometimes very low in % of capacity attending games. When the team stunk, people stayed home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Another Fan said: Steelers #4 and Browns #27 per that list. Browns fans are better than Steelers They are BOTH better than Cheaters* fans. Brady gets crippled, Billy retires....and they go into the gutter. Where is the following then? They move on to Celtics, Sox, etc. The “national” Pats* fans disappear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 13 hours ago, klos63 said: During the past decade the Bills continually finished in the bottom 3rd, sometimes very low in % of capacity attending games. When the team stunk, people stayed home. So if you take away half the seats that automatically makes fan support more? Not sure why NFL has not thought about this having twice as many teams in stadiums half as large. Size of stadiums has to be factored in this not just percentage. Some large urban teams are basically sold out even if people do not show up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, Limeaid said: So if you take away half the seats that automatically makes fan support more? Not sure why NFL has not thought about this having twice as many teams in stadiums half as large. Size of stadiums has to be factored in this not just percentage. Some large urban teams are basically sold out even if people do not show up. I was responding to the comment that Bills fans still show when the team isn't good. Unfortunately, we have a large sample to look over. When the team plays poorly, fewer people show up. The Bills have the same number of seats available each season. They have a lower attendance during lean years. It's a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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