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This deserves its own thread, as the current Mueller Report thread contradicts the statements of the Special Counsel in the very title.

 

Watch the clip of his public statement here: CSPAN.

 

He later goes on to explain that, "under long-standing Department policy, a President cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional. Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view—that too is prohibited. The Special Counsel's Office is part of the Department of Justice and, by regulation, it was bound by that Department policy. Charging the President with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider."

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A question:  if you went to your doctor, and he said "if we had confidence you don't have cancer, we would tell you so"  would you conclude you don't have cancer?  Or would you demand more testing, more information, etc?

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Just now, oldmanfan said:

A question:  if you went to your doctor, and he said "if we had confidence you don't have cancer, we would tell you so"  would you conclude you don't have cancer?  Or would you demand more testing, more information, etc?

 

A great hypothetical, and I'm sure we all know how we would we react to that.

 

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

There are literally 5 threads on this issue. We don't need a new one, with respect :beer: 

 

I respectfully disagree.

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Just now, fridge said:

I respectfully disagree.

 

We have a Mueller Report thread already. 

We have the DOJ SCO thread. 

We have the Trump/Russia thread. 

We have the House Investigation thread. 

We have the DS thread. 

 

With lots of information and discussion in all of them on this topic.

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1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

A question:  if you went to your doctor, and he said "if we had confidence you don't have cancer, we would tell you so"  would you conclude you don't have cancer?  Or would you demand more testing, more information, etc?

 

Not a valid comparison, to make it more apples to apples, it would have to have been after months and months of testing and nothing proving you had cancer.

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2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

A question:  if you went to your doctor, and he said "if we had confidence you don't have cancer, we would tell you so"  would you conclude you don't have cancer?  Or would you demand more testing, more information, etc?

 

I'd actually decide my doctor was a quack, and I need a new doctor.

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3 hours ago, fridge said:

This deserves its own thread, as the current Mueller Report thread contradicts the statements of the Special Counsel in the very title.

 

Watch the clip of his public statement here: CSPAN.

 

He later goes on to explain that, "under long-standing Department policy, a President cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional. Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view—that too is prohibited. The Special Counsel's Office is part of the Department of Justice and, by regulation, it was bound by that Department policy. Charging the President with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider."

 

He further went on to say "... and beyond department policies we were guided by principles of fairness; it would be unfair to potentially accuse somebody of a crime when there can be no court resolution of the actual charge.  So that was justice department policy, those were the principles under which we operated, and from them we concluded that we, would, would not reach a determination one way or the other about whether the President committed a crime.  That is the office's final position and we will not comment on any other conclusions or hypotheticals about the President. ..."

 

 This statement would appear to directly contradict the statement from the title of this thread.  So, basically, the press conference resolved absolutely nothing except that the Trump campaign didn't conspire with Russians and Russians did try to interfere.

 

If the SCO was not going to reach a conclusion on obstruction specifically by the President, not sure how much value a statement that they could not "clearly" disprove a negative holds.  Also, curious why you chose to drop the word "clearly" from this thread's title.  It does seem to change the meaning of what Mueller stated.  Especially considering his very next sentence was "(w)e did not however make a determination as to whether the President did commit a crime."

 

So again, they couldn't clearly prove a negative and didn't make a determination on a positive.  And it would've been unfair to make a determination one way or another anyway. 

 

Guess there is 1 other thing we can be certain of - this press conference didn't change so much as a single person's opinion on "obstruction."

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On 2/12/2022 at 11:19 AM, Doc said:

"A new version of the Mueller report"?  :lol:

The one where our constitutional system's guiding principal of presumption of innocence is replaced by idiots like Mueller declaring if you can't prove you're innocent then you're guilty, of something.  

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8 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

The one where our constitutional system's guiding principal of presumption of innocence is replaced by idiots like Mueller declaring if you can't prove you're innocent then you're guilty, of something.  

People guilty of crimes still get away with it all the time. You are happy Trump can commit crimes and get away with them. 

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How’s that different than

 

“if we had confidence a crime was committed we would tell you so?”

 

seems like political wordsmithing from a shamed incompetent bureaucrat that had one job, tons of resources, and a mandate to find something to skewer the Don and completely ***** it up. 
 

seems like nothing more than sour grapes 

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47 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:


spoiled rotten milk tastes way better than dog *****

Joe Biden's proof of goodness:

 

  • Widely acknowledged as championing legislation that decimated communities and specifically targeted people of color for decades;
  • History of comments with racially divisive overtones;
  • Partnered and counts as among his accomplishments close working relationships with key politicians promoting segregation and white supremacy;
  • History of fondling and groping women, and he's acknowledged it as well;
  • Accused credibly of violent sexual assault, his vice president has acknowledged believing the woman who accused him;
  • Five decades at the highest level of power in our government, now presiding over a human right's crisis at the border that he helped to create;
  • Advised his followers to be suspicious of the COVID vaccine during a time of national crisis, creating confusion, concern and likely resulting in an increase in deaths;
  • Abandoned the federal response to COVID early in his presidency, creating confusion and ultimately causing a reimagining of what it means to be 'vaccinated';

 

There's so much more about him to be concerned about--influence peddling, relationship with China, his role in squashing the Hunter Biden story to influence the election, Putin invading Ukraine on his watch, but I personally think @Tiberius is being completely truthful that Biden's resume as outlined aligns with his values. 

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7 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Joe Biden's proof of goodness:

 

  • Widely acknowledged as championing legislation that decimated communities and specifically targeted people of color for decades;
  • History of comments with racially divisive overtones;
  • Partnered and counts as among his accomplishments close working relationships with key politicians promoting segregation and white supremacy;
  • History of fondling and groping women, and he's acknowledged it as well;
  • Accused credibly of violent sexual assault, his vice president has acknowledged believing the woman who accused him;
  • Five decades at the highest level of power in our government, now presiding over a human right's crisis at the border that he helped to create;
  • Advised his followers to be suspicious of the COVID vaccine during a time of national crisis, creating confusion, concern and likely resulting in an increase in deaths;
  • Abandoned the federal response to COVID early in his presidency, creating confusion and ultimately causing a reimagining of what it means to be 'vaccinated';

 

There's so much more about him to be concerned about--influence peddling, relationship with China, his role in squashing the Hunter Biden story to influence the election, Putin invading Ukraine on his watch, but I personally think @Tiberius is being completely truthful that Biden's resume as outlined aligns with his values. 

 

But he's got a "D" next to his name so it's all good...to them.

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12 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Joe Biden's proof of goodness:

 

  • Widely acknowledged as championing legislation that decimated communities and specifically targeted people of color for decades;
  • History of comments with racially divisive overtones;
  • Partnered and counts as among his accomplishments close working relationships with key politicians promoting segregation and white supremacy;
  • History of fondling and groping women, and he's acknowledged it as well;
  • Accused credibly of violent sexual assault, his vice president has acknowledged believing the woman who accused him;
  • Five decades at the highest level of power in our government, now presiding over a human right's crisis at the border that he helped to create;
  • Advised his followers to be suspicious of the COVID vaccine during a time of national crisis, creating confusion, concern and likely resulting in an increase in deaths;
  • Abandoned the federal response to COVID early in his presidency, creating confusion and ultimately causing a reimagining of what it means to be 'vaccinated';

 

There's so much more about him to be concerned about--influence peddling, relationship with China, his role in squashing the Hunter Biden story to influence the election, Putin invading Ukraine on his watch, but I personally think @Tiberius is being completely truthful that Biden's resume as outlined aligns with his values. 


tibs’ good people
 

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20 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

Using Mueller's words here, are you convinced Biden has not committed a crime?

Biden is fine. Good man, good president and huge improvement over the Document stealer

Your guy does something horribly wrong and the first reaction is the rubber and glue thing. 

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6 hours ago, Tiberius said:

People guilty of crimes still get away with it all the time. You are happy Trump can commit crimes and get away with them. 

How do you know so much about getting away with crimes?  Do you have some sort of expertise or training in the area?  Are you a criminologist? 

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1 hour ago, BillStime said:


The most corrupt POTUS - ever. 
 

Please stop.

You're one of maybe five people in the world that still believes the Russia collusion hoax.  Trumps in your head 24/7.  You need to move on from this obsession or start taking an anti-anxiety medication.     

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12 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

You're one of maybe five people in the world that still believes the Russia collusion hoax.  Trumps in your head 24/7.  You need to move on from this obsession or start taking an anti-anxiety medication.     


Oh. 

 

Ok.

 

Me and five others and…

 

Trump.

 

Barr.

 

Mueller.

 

The 2020 GOP led Senate:

 

SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCEUNITED STATES SENATE ONRUSSIAN ACTIVE MEASURES CAMPAIGNS AND INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016 U.S. ELECTION

 

And

 

YOU

 

Stop bring so freakn intellectually dishonest - you know you have been conned but have zero balls to admit it.  

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1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

You're one of maybe five people in the world that still believes the Russia collusion hoax.  Trumps in your head 24/7.  You need to move on from this obsession or start taking an anti-anxiety medication.     

 

Never mind thinking that a 50+ year pol isn't the most corrupt person on the planet.

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On 9/16/2022 at 10:53 PM, Doc said:

 

Never mind thinking that a 50+ year pol isn't the most corrupt person on the planet.

In the legal system determination of a person's guilt or innocence is not based on what anyone "thinks".  What people think is subjective.  The legal system is objective.  It's based on facts, evidence, testimony, and what can be proven and what cannot be proven.  Otherwise, it's all opinion, nothing more or less.  Guilt in the case of public opinion and how that's formed or believed is another matter.  In the public opinion space, anyone can "think" anything they want,  

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On 5/29/2019 at 12:50 PM, Deranged Rhino said:

 

We have a Mueller Report thread already. 

We have the DOJ SCO thread. 

We have the Trump/Russia thread. 

We have the House Investigation thread. 

We have the DS thread. 

 

With lots of information and discussion in all of them on this topic.

 

And what have we learned to this point ? Go ask BT he'll tell you or at the very least post a picture .

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