fridge Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 This deserves its own thread, as the current Mueller Report thread contradicts the statements of the Special Counsel in the very title. Watch the clip of his public statement here: CSPAN. He later goes on to explain that, "under long-standing Department policy, a President cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional. Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view—that too is prohibited. The Special Counsel's Office is part of the Department of Justice and, by regulation, it was bound by that Department policy. Charging the President with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 There are literally 5 threads on this issue. We don't need a new one, with respect 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 A question: if you went to your doctor, and he said "if we had confidence you don't have cancer, we would tell you so" would you conclude you don't have cancer? Or would you demand more testing, more information, etc? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted May 29, 2019 Author Share Posted May 29, 2019 Just now, oldmanfan said: A question: if you went to your doctor, and he said "if we had confidence you don't have cancer, we would tell you so" would you conclude you don't have cancer? Or would you demand more testing, more information, etc? A great hypothetical, and I'm sure we all know how we would we react to that. 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: There are literally 5 threads on this issue. We don't need a new one, with respect I respectfully disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Just now, fridge said: I respectfully disagree. We have a Mueller Report thread already. We have the DOJ SCO thread. We have the Trump/Russia thread. We have the House Investigation thread. We have the DS thread. With lots of information and discussion in all of them on this topic. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: A question: if you went to your doctor, and he said "if we had confidence you don't have cancer, we would tell you so" would you conclude you don't have cancer? Or would you demand more testing, more information, etc? Not a valid comparison, to make it more apples to apples, it would have to have been after months and months of testing and nothing proving you had cancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: A question: if you went to your doctor, and he said "if we had confidence you don't have cancer, we would tell you so" would you conclude you don't have cancer? Or would you demand more testing, more information, etc? I'd actually decide my doctor was a quack, and I need a new doctor. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 3 hours ago, fridge said: This deserves its own thread, as the current Mueller Report thread contradicts the statements of the Special Counsel in the very title. Watch the clip of his public statement here: CSPAN. He later goes on to explain that, "under long-standing Department policy, a President cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional. Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view—that too is prohibited. The Special Counsel's Office is part of the Department of Justice and, by regulation, it was bound by that Department policy. Charging the President with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider." He further went on to say "... and beyond department policies we were guided by principles of fairness; it would be unfair to potentially accuse somebody of a crime when there can be no court resolution of the actual charge. So that was justice department policy, those were the principles under which we operated, and from them we concluded that we, would, would not reach a determination one way or the other about whether the President committed a crime. That is the office's final position and we will not comment on any other conclusions or hypotheticals about the President. ..." This statement would appear to directly contradict the statement from the title of this thread. So, basically, the press conference resolved absolutely nothing except that the Trump campaign didn't conspire with Russians and Russians did try to interfere. If the SCO was not going to reach a conclusion on obstruction specifically by the President, not sure how much value a statement that they could not "clearly" disprove a negative holds. Also, curious why you chose to drop the word "clearly" from this thread's title. It does seem to change the meaning of what Mueller stated. Especially considering his very next sentence was "(w)e did not however make a determination as to whether the President did commit a crime." So again, they couldn't clearly prove a negative and didn't make a determination on a positive. And it would've been unfair to make a determination one way or another anyway. Guess there is 1 other thing we can be certain of - this press conference didn't change so much as a single person's opinion on "obstruction." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doc Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 "A new version of the Mueller report"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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All_Pro_Bills Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 On 2/12/2022 at 11:19 AM, Doc said: "A new version of the Mueller report"? The one where our constitutional system's guiding principal of presumption of innocence is replaced by idiots like Mueller declaring if you can't prove you're innocent then you're guilty, of something. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: The one where our constitutional system's guiding principal of presumption of innocence is replaced by idiots like Mueller declaring if you can't prove you're innocent then you're guilty, of something. People guilty of crimes still get away with it all the time. You are happy Trump can commit crimes and get away with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: People guilty of crimes still get away with it all the time. You are happy Trump can commit crimes and get away with them. Likewise with you and Joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, Doc said: Likewise with you and Joke. Biden is a way better person than Trump. Not even close. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 29 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Biden is a way better person than Trump. Not even close. Yeah, Bill Cosby looked like a great person as well, from his appearances on TV... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 How’s that different than “if we had confidence a crime was committed we would tell you so?” seems like political wordsmithing from a shamed incompetent bureaucrat that had one job, tons of resources, and a mandate to find something to skewer the Don and completely ***** it up. seems like nothing more than sour grapes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 45 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Biden is a way better person than Trump. Not even close. spoiled rotten milk tastes way better than dog ***** 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: spoiled rotten milk tastes way better than dog ***** Half right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: spoiled rotten milk tastes way better than dog ***** Joe Biden's proof of goodness: Widely acknowledged as championing legislation that decimated communities and specifically targeted people of color for decades; History of comments with racially divisive overtones; Partnered and counts as among his accomplishments close working relationships with key politicians promoting segregation and white supremacy; History of fondling and groping women, and he's acknowledged it as well; Accused credibly of violent sexual assault, his vice president has acknowledged believing the woman who accused him; Five decades at the highest level of power in our government, now presiding over a human right's crisis at the border that he helped to create; Advised his followers to be suspicious of the COVID vaccine during a time of national crisis, creating confusion, concern and likely resulting in an increase in deaths; Abandoned the federal response to COVID early in his presidency, creating confusion and ultimately causing a reimagining of what it means to be 'vaccinated'; There's so much more about him to be concerned about--influence peddling, relationship with China, his role in squashing the Hunter Biden story to influence the election, Putin invading Ukraine on his watch, but I personally think @Tiberius is being completely truthful that Biden's resume as outlined aligns with his values. Edited September 16, 2022 by leh-nerd skin-erd 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Biden is a way better person than Trump. Not even close. Using Mueller's words here, are you convinced Biden has not committed a crime? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Joe Biden's proof of goodness: Widely acknowledged as championing legislation that decimated communities and specifically targeted people of color for decades; History of comments with racially divisive overtones; Partnered and counts as among his accomplishments close working relationships with key politicians promoting segregation and white supremacy; History of fondling and groping women, and he's acknowledged it as well; Accused credibly of violent sexual assault, his vice president has acknowledged believing the woman who accused him; Five decades at the highest level of power in our government, now presiding over a human right's crisis at the border that he helped to create; Advised his followers to be suspicious of the COVID vaccine during a time of national crisis, creating confusion, concern and likely resulting in an increase in deaths; Abandoned the federal response to COVID early in his presidency, creating confusion and ultimately causing a reimagining of what it means to be 'vaccinated'; There's so much more about him to be concerned about--influence peddling, relationship with China, his role in squashing the Hunter Biden story to influence the election, Putin invading Ukraine on his watch, but I personally think @Tiberius is being completely truthful that Biden's resume as outlined aligns with his values. But he's got a "D" next to his name so it's all good...to them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Joe Biden's proof of goodness: Widely acknowledged as championing legislation that decimated communities and specifically targeted people of color for decades; History of comments with racially divisive overtones; Partnered and counts as among his accomplishments close working relationships with key politicians promoting segregation and white supremacy; History of fondling and groping women, and he's acknowledged it as well; Accused credibly of violent sexual assault, his vice president has acknowledged believing the woman who accused him; Five decades at the highest level of power in our government, now presiding over a human right's crisis at the border that he helped to create; Advised his followers to be suspicious of the COVID vaccine during a time of national crisis, creating confusion, concern and likely resulting in an increase in deaths; Abandoned the federal response to COVID early in his presidency, creating confusion and ultimately causing a reimagining of what it means to be 'vaccinated'; There's so much more about him to be concerned about--influence peddling, relationship with China, his role in squashing the Hunter Biden story to influence the election, Putin invading Ukraine on his watch, but I personally think @Tiberius is being completely truthful that Biden's resume as outlined aligns with his values. tibs’ good people 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 20 minutes ago, Pokebball said: Using Mueller's words here, are you convinced Biden has not committed a crime? Biden is fine. Good man, good president and huge improvement over the Document stealer Your guy does something horribly wrong and the first reaction is the rubber and glue thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 20 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Biden is fine. Good man, good president and huge improvement over the Document stealer Your guy does something horribly wrong and the first reaction is the rubber and glue thing. 25 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: tibs’ good people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Kammy sure didn't think so...before she got on her hands and knees and accepted the VP nomination... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 6 hours ago, Tiberius said: People guilty of crimes still get away with it all the time. You are happy Trump can commit crimes and get away with them. How do you know so much about getting away with crimes? Do you have some sort of expertise or training in the area? Are you a criminologist? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 2 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: How do you know so much about getting away with crimes? Do you have some sort of expertise or training in the area? Are you a criminologist? The most corrupt POTUS - ever. Please stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 4 hours ago, Doc said: Kammy sure didn't think so...before she got on her hands and knees and accepted the VP nomination... In speaking with some people who work on the hill, this is more than a rumor- ambition drove every decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 1 hour ago, BillStime said: The most corrupt POTUS - ever. Please stop. You're one of maybe five people in the world that still believes the Russia collusion hoax. Trumps in your head 24/7. You need to move on from this obsession or start taking an anti-anxiety medication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 12 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: You're one of maybe five people in the world that still believes the Russia collusion hoax. Trumps in your head 24/7. You need to move on from this obsession or start taking an anti-anxiety medication. Oh. Ok. Me and five others and… Trump. Barr. Mueller. The 2020 GOP led Senate: SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCEUNITED STATES SENATE ONRUSSIAN ACTIVE MEASURES CAMPAIGNS AND INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016 U.S. ELECTION And YOU Stop bring so freakn intellectually dishonest - you know you have been conned but have zero balls to admit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said: You're one of maybe five people in the world that still believes the Russia collusion hoax. Trumps in your head 24/7. You need to move on from this obsession or start taking an anti-anxiety medication. Never mind thinking that a 50+ year pol isn't the most corrupt person on the planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 On 9/16/2022 at 10:53 PM, Doc said: Never mind thinking that a 50+ year pol isn't the most corrupt person on the planet. In the legal system determination of a person's guilt or innocence is not based on what anyone "thinks". What people think is subjective. The legal system is objective. It's based on facts, evidence, testimony, and what can be proven and what cannot be proven. Otherwise, it's all opinion, nothing more or less. Guilt in the case of public opinion and how that's formed or believed is another matter. In the public opinion space, anyone can "think" anything they want, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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T master Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 On 5/29/2019 at 12:50 PM, Deranged Rhino said: We have a Mueller Report thread already. We have the DOJ SCO thread. We have the Trump/Russia thread. We have the House Investigation thread. We have the DS thread. With lots of information and discussion in all of them on this topic. And what have we learned to this point ? Go ask BT he'll tell you or at the very least post a picture . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Mueller was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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