Death, Taxes and Peterman lighting it up....

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Wouldn’t you just love to see 10 Raiders form a ‘human shield’ around him as they rumble down the field to end the half?  A new wrinkle on the ‘Hail Mary’, perhaps they name it the ‘Please God, please!’ (let me make it to the end zone) play.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...just some quick random thoughts about the Peterman saga.......

 

1. Drafted in the 5th hoping to fulfill a life long dream in the NFL as a QB in some role; why root against a youngster chasing his dream?

2. Chuckie did say he was "THE most NFL QB I've seen in years". Then again, out of 67 QB's in that draft, Chuckie graded 66 with A+ and one got an A- only because he shot his grandmother. It IS Chuckie folks.

3. The SD start was Dennison's idea because he couldn't work with Tuhrod IMO. We all know the colossal results.

4. Peterman comes back and shines in OTA's and TC. McBeane anoints him the ready starter, cutting loose McCarron for a valuable (COUGH) 5th. Seriously? Peterman has made the quantum leap from a 5th to a bonafide starter making a vet like McCarron immediately expendable? McBeane falls flat on his face and pleads with Anderson to "come outta the mothballs". Hence a MAJOR gaffe.

5. With that MAJOR gaffe, it becomes apparent Peterman was thrust into the starting position WAAAAAY over his head, melting down with live ammo versus the "comfort" of OTA's and TC. "Live Ammo Confidence Level" is on par with EJ's.

6. It's Chuckie to the rescue. he'll either groom him as Carr's backup, duh Raiders surprise starter or Mark Davis' new barber. Please refer to item #2 in BOLD.

 

....YAWN...............

Edited May 22, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Punching Bag]

10 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

.

6. It's Chuckie to the rescue. he'll either groom him as Carr's backup, duh Raiders surprise starter or Mark Davis' new barber. Please refer to item #2 in BOLD.

.

 

He is most qualified as Mark Davis's new barber - it cannot get worse.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 minute ago, Limeaid said:

 

He is most qualified as Mark Davis's new barber - it cannot get worse.

Yes, it can.  Replace bowl with wok, the ridiculous haircut now becomes a ‘hair yarmulke’.  Oy gevalt!

[C.Biscuit97]

58 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Think about that Chargers game and what happened. Joey Bosa stated after the game that that right side of the Bills line didn't get a hand on him... Mills, Miller and the OC for that year are all gone now. Still, five interceptions...

 

In the 2018 opener, Peterman started that Ravens game with one of the very worst offensive lines the Bills have ever fielded along with an OC that wanted him to throw deep...a formula for a disaster. Not to mention that the Bills didn't have much of an RB run game to take the pressure off the QB and he had little escape-ability. Asking Peterman to throw 49 times against that Bears defense with Shady going 10 rush attempts for 10 yards 

 

The kid isn't as bad as he showed IMO as he needed to be in a west coast scheme with an OC who could see his limitations as he didn't have the arm to throw that 18 yard out pass. That said, I'm glad he is a Raider. 3 TDs, 12 INTs. 

He was a fifth round draft pick who was said to be the most pro ready.  He played on a team that and to the playoffs.  Maybe he just isn’t good enough for the nfl.  There’s no shame on that.  But the hype he got here was a little crazy. 

24 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

He is most qualified as Mark Davis's new barber - it cannot get worse.

Scariest part is he pays $100 for that haircut. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

27 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

He is most qualified as Mark Davis's new barber - it cannot get worse.

 

...you're late dammit....#6 was ONLY for you...............

[Punching Bag]

Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...you're late dammit....#6 was ONLY for you...............

 

Sorry I was late to work,  traffic.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

5 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Sorry I was late to work,  traffic.

 

...um...well...er...okay I'll let it slide this time...next time use the HOV lane with your Nancy Pelosi blow up doll in the passenger seat...ain't not cop willing to pull THAT over.......

Edited May 22, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Nihilarian said:

Think about that Chargers game and what happened. Joey Bosa stated after the game that that right side of the Bills line didn't get a hand on him... Mills, Miller and the OC for that year are all gone now. Still, five interceptions...

 

In the 2018 opener, Peterman started that Ravens game with one of the very worst offensive lines the Bills have ever fielded along with an OC that wanted him to throw deep...a formula for a disaster. Not to mention that the Bills didn't have much of an RB run game to take the pressure off the QB and he had little escape-ability. Asking Peterman to throw 49 times against that Bears defense with Shady going 10 rush attempts for 10 yards 

 

The kid isn't as bad as he showed IMO as he needed to be in a west coast scheme with an OC who could see his limitations as he didn't have the arm to throw that 18 yard out pass. That said, I'm glad he is a Raider. 3 TDs, 12 INTs. 

 

My comment was more about how he continued to throw that damn 10-yard out despite it getting pick-sixed almost every time.  I was being generous saying he thought he had a stronger arm than he does, when it may be more of a matter that he's just dumb.

[C.Biscuit97]

15 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...um...well...er...okay I'll let it slide this time...next time use the HOV lane with your Nancy Pelosi blow up doll in the passenger seat...ain't not cop willing to pull THAT over.......

Yay politics!!!

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Nihilarian said:

Think about that Chargers game and what happened. Joey Bosa stated after the game that that right side of the Bills line didn't get a hand on him... Mills, Miller and the OC for that year are all gone now. Still, five interceptions...

 

In the 2018 opener, Peterman started that Ravens game with one of the very worst offensive lines the Bills have ever fielded along with an OC that wanted him to throw deep...a formula for a disaster. Not to mention that the Bills didn't have much of an RB run game to take the pressure off the QB and he had little escape-ability. Asking Peterman to throw 49 times against that Bears defense with Shady going 10 rush attempts for 10 yards 

 

The kid isn't as bad as he showed IMO as he needed to be in a west coast scheme with an OC who could see his limitations as he didn't have the arm to throw that 18 yard out pass. That said, I'm glad he is a Raider. 3 TDs, 12 INTs. 

 

Nope. He is every bit as bad as he showed. It wasn't on the line because he doesn't hold the ball anyway. He drops back and throws what he sees pre-snap. How do I know it isn't the protection? Because that is what he did at Pitt too. It isn't on Rick Dennison or Brian Daboll either. He has always trusted his arm to make throws it just cannot make. How do I know that? Because that was on his Pitt tape too. 

 

All the reasons that Nathan Peterman has failed as an NFL Quarterback are all the reasons why he was never a good NFL Quarterback prospect in the first place. I doubt he makes the Raiders roster and if he does and they have to put him on the field there will be no sudden turnaround in his fortunes. All there will be is more of the same. He is the same Quarterback he has always been. 

[Solomon Grundy]

I wonder what Bomani Jones and Pablo Torre has to say about this?

 

Edited May 22, 2019 by the skycap

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

2 hours ago, Limeaid said:

One observation - he seems to be a crowd killer.  Whenever he is on field it appears that a lot of people leave.  Maybe he just makes people thirsty. 

Thirsty?  Or could it be something else?

”I’ll be right back, dear.  Perhaps a $10 beer will settle my nerves...”

[Solomon Grundy]

4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yay politics!!!

OldTime in his name says it all. Always the old timers

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

My comment was more about how he continued to throw that damn 10-yard out despite it getting pick-sixed almost every time.  I was being generous saying he thought he had a stronger arm than he does, when it may be more of a matter that he's just dumb.

 

...so my "probably dumb question" would be is how the hell does an astute coaching staff STILL let him use that play despite multiple failures on "the out"?....are we paying coaches for the "Oh Well Complacency" mode?.....guess I missed the "Pennington Memo".............

[Punching Bag]

1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...um...well...er...okay I'll let it slide this time...next time use the HOV lane with your Nancy Pelosi blow up doll in the passenger seat...ain't not cop willing to pull THAT over.......

 

I'll put in back seat and pick up you to join her since HOV requires 3 here.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, the skycap said:

OldTime in his name says it all. Always the old timers

 

 

..."Senior Moments Rule"......IF...I remember correctly.......

[GunnerBill]

Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...so my "probably dumb question" would be is how the hell does an astute coaching staff STILL let him use that play despite multiple failures on "the out"?....are we paying coaches for the "Oh Well Complacency" mode?.....guess I missed the "Pennington Memo".............

 

I don't doubt they told him not to. But Peterman reads defenses at the snap and then never again and trusts his arm on throws it cannot make. These were knocks on him long before the Bills used a 5th round pick on him. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, Limeaid said:

 

I'll put in back seat and pick up you to join her since HOV requires 3 here.

...I'm "all IN"............

[Kirby Jackson]

15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Nope. He is every bit as bad as he showed. It wasn't on the line because he doesn't hold the ball anyway. He drops back and throws what he sees pre-snap. How do I know it isn't the protection? Because that is what he did at Pitt too. It isn't on Rick Dennison or Brian Daboll either. He has always trusted his arm to make throws it just cannot make. How do I know that? Because that was on his Pitt tape too. 

 

All the reasons that Nathan Peterman has failed as an NFL Quarterback are all the reasons why he was never a good NFL Quarterback prospect in the first place. I doubt he makes the Raiders roster and if he does and they have to put him on the field there will be no sudden turnaround in his fortunes. All there will be is more of the same. He is the same Quarterback he has always been. 

[TigerJ]

The Bills were right to let him go, but it wouldn't surprise me if at some point it clicks for Peterman and he can overcome whatever mental issue he had in games that led to all those ill advised throws.  He will look good again in preseason, but Gruden had best hold off on naming him the starter.

[LSHMEAB]

58 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...so my "probably dumb question" would be is how the hell does an astute coaching staff STILL let him use that play despite multiple failures on "the out"?....are we paying coaches for the "Oh Well Complacency" mode?.....guess I missed the "Pennington Memo".............

A 10 yard out is going to be an option on a large number of plays. Peterman loved that route for some VERY odd reason. It's usually a quick throw and he basically just dropped and chucked. I can't put that on the OC's. You really can't take away a particular option for a QB if you're going to play him. He should have never seen the field in the first place. Or the second place. Or the third place. That's on McD.

Edited May 22, 2019 by LSHMEAB

[Coach Tuesday]

The fact that Peterman is on a roster could’ve been Kaepernick’s lawyer’s opening statement... just sayin’.  

[Nihilarian]

 

 

 

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Nope. He is every bit as bad as he showed. It wasn't on the line because he doesn't hold the ball anyway. He drops back and throws what he sees pre-snap. How do I know it isn't the protection? Because that is what he did at Pitt too. It isn't on Rick Dennison or Brian Daboll either. He has always trusted his arm to make throws it just cannot make. How do I know that? Because that was on his Pitt tape too. 

 

All the reasons that Nathan Peterman has failed as an NFL Quarterback are all the reasons why he was never a good NFL Quarterback prospect in the first place. I doubt he makes the Raiders roster and if he does and they have to put him on the field there will be no sudden turnaround in his fortunes. All there will be is more of the same. He is the same Quarterback he has always been. 

I have a very difficult time believing he could fool the Buffalo Bills scouting staff, coaches into thinking he could get it done like an NFL QB if he was this bad in college. If this is the case, now I know why all those scouts under Whaley were fired.

 

I don't see why you would give Dennison, Daboll a pass as they are experienced NFL OCs and should have seen his limitations.  We all saw the results of him starting an actual game, and in being a backup. 

[Punching Bag]

41 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

The fact that Peterman is on a roster could’ve been Kaepernick’s lawyer’s opening statement... just sayin’.  

Sure if NFLPA did not prevent Kaep from signing same contract P5t5erman did otherwise that argument is just piss.

[The Senator]

23 hours ago, eball said:

 

Ok I’ll bite. Why? Is it because he wasn’t given every opportunity - even those he didn’t necessarily deserve - to succeed in Buffalo?

 

I believe it must be based on Peterman’s record # of pick -6’s in critical game situations.

 

Carr is trembling, as his coffee table nearly collapses under the sheer weight of game film full of Peterman’s total incompetence.

.

Edited May 23, 2019 by The Senator

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, Nihilarian said:

I have a very difficult time believing he could fool the Buffalo Bills scouting staff, coaches into thinking he could get it done like an NFL QB if he was this bad in college. If this is the case, now I know why all those scouts under Whaley were fired.

 

I don't see why you would give Dennison, Daboll a pass as they are experienced NFL OCs and should have seen his limitations.  We all saw the results of him starting an actual game, and in being a backup. 

I’ll say this for Gunner and Blokes, if you go back before the draft and read their thoughts on Peterman you’ll see it. Neither thought he was draftable and thought he was a horrendous prospect for all of the reasons mentioned. It turns out that the British guys were dead on. 

Edited May 23, 2019 by Kirby Jackson

[Blokestradamus]

11 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’ll say this for Gunner and Blokes, if you go back before the draft and read their thoughts on Peterman you’ll see it. Neither thought he was draftable and thought he was a horrendous prospect for all of the reasons mentioned. It turns out that the British guys were dead on. 

 

The whole Peterman episode has been horrible to watch unfold. Nate was one of those prospects that got a visceral response from me because I never thought that he exhibited the skills required to make it to the NFL in any playing capacity. I don't like saying it because I respect anyone that dedicates themselves to a craft for the amount of time that these guys do.

 

Despite all of my criticism (most of which has been vindicated), I've never disliked Nate as a human being. In a perverse way, I've grown to admire him because he was willing to front up when he made mistakes. While I doubt that football is his true calling in life, I think his character will allow him to succeed when he does find that vocation.

[FearLess Price]

On 5/21/2019 at 6:43 PM, White Linen said:

 

I think he's limited physically.  There's times when he just can't thrown the ball hard enough and the defense closes in on him or the receiver.  

 

That's why he looks good when there's no real pass rush - he throws the ball with good timing when there's time for it to get there.  

 

Fair assesment. This could develop if he doesnt give up. Its tuff when u look at what the kid has been thru. He might not have the arm strength to be the guy yet,  but Peterman has grit. Hes proved that much.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

17 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said:

 

The whole Peterman episode has been horrible to watch unfold. Nate was one of those prospects that got a visceral response from me because I never thought that he exhibited the skills required to make it to the NFL in any playing capacity. I don't like saying it because I respect anyone that dedicates themselves to a craft for the amount of time that these guys do.

 

Despite all of my criticism (most of which has been vindicated), I've never disliked Nate as a human being. In a perverse way, I've grown to admire him because he was willing to front up when he made mistakes. While I doubt that football is his true calling in life, I think his character will allow him to succeed when he does find that vocation.

^^^^^^This. Exactly right. Will never forget how he shouldered all of the slings and arrows sent his way after being trotted out to take 100% of the fall each time the Bills blew up without making any excuses--while the rest of the horrendously awful supporting cast slunk away like the Colts moving out of Baltimore on a weekly basis. NP should always get credit for that, if nothing else. I'm just happy that Allen seems to have much of the same kind of straight up great character, to go along with his franchise type tools/ability on the field.  

[FearLess Price]

1 minute ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

^^^^^^This. Exactly right. Will never forget how he shouldered all of the slings and arrows sent his way after being trotted out to take 100% of the fall each time the Bills blew up without making any excuses--while the rest of the horrendously awful supporting cast slunk away like the Colts moving out of Baltimore on a weekly basis. NP should always get credit for that, if nothing else. I'm just happy that Allen seems to have much of the same kind of straight up great character, to go along with his franchise type tools/ability on the field.  

 

Seriously. The kid got grilled nationally and keeps fighting. I ***** respect that. In a society where everyone is programmed to give up and take the path of least resistence, there is honor in things like this. We must recognize that side of this. Beyond football.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, FearLess Price said:

 

Seriously. The kid got grilled nationally and keeps fighting. I ***** respect that. In a society where everyone is programmed to give up and take the path of least resistence, there is honor in things like this. We must recognize that side of this. Beyond football.

I mean, clearly I don’t care for the player. I also don’t fault him for working a job that pays him $645k despite him lacking the skills to perform that job. In a lot of ways that is what I admire most about Nate. Earn as much as you can until they cut you off. The American Dream

 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

^^^^^^This. Exactly right. Will never forget how he shouldered all of the slings and arrows sent his way after being trotted out to take 100% of the fall each time the Bills blew up without making any excuses--while the rest of the horrendously awful supporting cast slunk away like the Colts moving out of Baltimore on a weekly basis. NP should always get credit for that, if nothing else. I'm just happy that Allen seems to have much of the same kind of straight up great character, to go along with his franchise type tools/ability on the field.  

 

While I agree he never made excuses he did do a lot of the "being defined by God" and "accountable to Christ" stuff. Now no doubt that riles me more than it riles others for personal reasons but I always feel like it is a bit of a cop out from true accountability.

[Coach Tuesday]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

While I agree he never made excuses he did do a lot of the "being defined by God" and "accountable to Christ" stuff. Now no doubt that riles me more than it riles others for personal reasons but I always feel like it is a bit of a cop out from true accountability.

 

I'm somewhere in the middle here.  It does bug me to the core that NP insisted on throwing to a pre-determined spot no matter what was happening in front of him.  The results were disastrous, yet he kept doing it.  Who does that?  It's not like he was misreading the defense post-snap - he wasn't even bothering to read it at all.  You can't blame players for sucking, generally - but can't you blame them for stubbornly doing something over and over again, which they have some control over, and which causes their team to lose?

Edited May 23, 2019 by Coach Tuesday

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

21 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Earn as much as you can until they cut you off. The American Dream

 

Ironic that in some respects Peterman’s ascent to a position where he hasn’t excelled is known by us geezers as the ‘Peter Principle’.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Coach Tuesday said:

 

I'm somewhere in the middle here.  It does bug me to the core that NP insisted on throwing to a pre-determined spot no matter what was happening in front of him.  The results were disastrous, yet he kept doing it.  Who does that?  It's not like he was misreading the defense post-snap - he wasn't even bothering to read it at all.  You can't blame players for sucking, generally - but can't you blame them for stubbornly doing something over and over again, which they have some control over, and which causes their team to lose?

 

He has never read defences post snap. This is exactly how he played in college. Read pre-snap, determine the coverage, play accordingly. It help explain his success in pre-season when NFL teams are not trying to disguise anything - they are just lining up and playing.

[Captain Hindsight]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He has never read defences post snap. This is exactly how he played in college. Read pre-snap, determine the coverage, play accordingly. It help explain his success in pre-season when NFL teams are not trying to disguise anything - they are just lining up and playing.

Been watching a lot of Rosen's game film from last year since he became a dolphin and he does this all the time. 

 

Read the coverage and hes going there no matter what. If he was coached that way then shame on the coaches but to me I was watching a stronger armed NP.

 

The Bills would destroy Rosen if he started all year for the fins. I absolutely see why they Drafted Murray #1

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Been watching a lot of Rosen's game film from last year since he became a dolphin and he does this all the time. 

 

Read the coverage and hes going there no matter what. If he was coached that way then shame on the coaches but to me I was watching a stronger armed NP.

 

The Bills would destroy Rosen if he started all year for the fins. I absolutely see why they Drafted Murray #1

 

Interesting. I confess I have never seen that on Rosen's tape but I think it is a bit of a thing with kids coming out now who are playing in certain styles of college offense.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

While I agree he never made excuses he did do a lot of the "being defined by God" and "accountable to Christ" stuff. Now no doubt that riles me more than it riles others for personal reasons but I always feel like it is a bit of a cop out from true accountability.

I get where you're coming from, but have to respectfully disagree with you, also for personal reasons, and leave it at that. Now Gunner, who ya got at #25 in the draft next year (I figure Beane will trade up from #32 following our SB win)?

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Interesting. I confess I have never seen that on Rosen's tape but I think it is a bit of a thing with kids coming out now who are playing in certain styles of college offense.

I watched him do it all the time at UCLA.