Tyree Jackson - The Next “Joe Webb” For The Bills?

[Patrick Duffy]

1 hour ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

If you read the original post, I wasn’t the one who made the comparison.  But why let the truth get in the way?

 

Didn't say you did. I'm quite aware that you posted what someone else has said or wrote. Doesn't change the fact that it's silly when stating that a player may become the "next Joe Webb". I mean really? lol come on man

Edited May 14, 2019 by Patrick_Duffy

[prissythecat]

15 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

I was listening to The Bills Beat podcast with Joe B and Matt Fairborn who were covering rookie minicamp.  The most interesting discussion was on Tyree Jackson.

 

The two said that, despite poor weather (wind) Jackson initially was very inconsistent and sloppy on mechanics.  He did seem to settle down a bit eventually but that the camp was a reminder as to why he went undrafted....he has a long way to go.

 

Many believe that Jackson simply moves into the #3 QB spot vacated by Derek Anderson’s retirement.  However Joe believes that Tyree has a long way to go to earn a spot on the active roster.  He thinks that Anderson’s retirement makes it harder for Jackson, because he now has to beat out Matt Barkley for a spot which likely won’t happen given his experience.  

 

Because the question is....will Buffalo even keep 3 QB’s on the active roster?  In his first two seasons, McDermott has not done.  Most recently the Bills traded AJ McCarron rather than keep 3 active QB’s. In 2017, the Bills did keep 3 QB’s but 1 was Joe Webb who contributed mostly on ST’s and was their emergency QB.  

 

This begs the question would it give Tyree a better chance to make the Bills if he took a role similar to Joe Webb?  He could play special teams or another position while learning QB behind a good mentor like Matt Barkley and even Josh Allen.  

 

You know that the Bills value position flexibility and it makes you wonder whether playing ST’s would be the best move for Jackson until he fully develops as a QB. 

 

 

Does Vegas have a proposition for Tyree making the roster?    Maybe you can place a 5k bet on it?

[without a drought]

Kick returners have been too short for too long.

 

Finally the Bills can be on the cutting edge of the latest trend.

[Phil The Thrill]

6 hours ago, Gugny said:

Were we supposed to hear the OP out for this one?

 

No reaction outside of Duffy, shocking.

6 hours ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

 

Didn't say you did. I'm quite aware that you posted what someone else has said or wrote. Doesn't change the fact that it's silly when stating that a player may become the "next Joe Webb". I mean really? lol come on man

 

You are oversimplifying the original idea.  I thought the idea of the Bills using Jackson in different situations/packages would be interesting.  I wonder if a couple of salty Saints fans complain anytime Tayson Hill is mentioned.

[LSHMEAB]

5 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

No reaction outside of Duffy, shocking.

 

You are oversimplifying the original idea.  I thought the idea of the Bills using Jackson in different situations/packages would be interesting.  I wonder if a couple of salty Saints fans complain anytime Tayson Hill is mentioned.

When your starter is Josh Allen, it just doesn't make sense. He's every bit as athletic as Tyree Jackson so what's the point? What the Saints do is unique because Brees and Hill are polar opposites and Hill brings an entirely different skill set to those specialty plays.

 

I could see Jackson potentially shifting to TE, but that would mean focusing entirely on that position. The Bills have too many bodies there so that seems like something that would happen elsewhere. If he wants to be a quarterback, he's gonna need to focus all of his time on quarterback.

 

I don't have any reason to believe Jackson would be some special teams ace and I don't know what else he could bring to the table outside of playing QB or tight end if he doesn't pan out at his preferred position. 

 

I don't even see him as another Taysom Hill. Hill plays quite a bit faster and QUICKER and is an incredibly instinctive runner. Jackson is big and fast, but he's not Taysom Hill.

[The Jokeman]

15 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I am all about the package. 

That's what she said.

[Patrick Duffy]

1 hour ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

No reaction outside of Duffy, shocking.

 

You are oversimplifying the original idea.  I thought the idea of the Bills using Jackson in different situations/packages would be interesting.  I wonder if a couple of salty Saints fans complain anytime Tayson Hill is mentioned.

Meh

[Phil The Thrill]

1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said:

When your starter is Josh Allen, it just doesn't make sense. He's every bit as athletic as Tyree Jackson so what's the point? What the Saints do is unique because Brees and Hill are polar opposites and Hill brings an entirely different skill set to those specialty plays.

 

I could see Jackson potentially shifting to TE, but that would mean focusing entirely on that position. The Bills have too many bodies there so that seems like something that would happen elsewhere. If he wants to be a quarterback, he's gonna need to focus all of his time on quarterback.

 

I don't have any reason to believe Jackson would be some special teams ace and I don't know what else he could bring to the table outside of playing QB or tight end if he doesn't pan out at his preferred position. 

 

I don't even see him as another Taysom Hill. Hill plays quite a bit faster and QUICKER and is an incredibly instinctive runner. Jackson is big and fast, but he's not Taysom Hill.

 

Tell this to Joe Buscaglia and Matt Fairborn.  All I’m saying is that the idea of using Jackson in different situations is interesting 

[PromoTheRobot]

I hate to say it but The Bulls WRs made Jackson look better. Anthony Johnson is going to play in Tampa. KJ Osborne transferred to The U. I don't know if he has to sit a year but he's someone to keep an eye on too.

[Orlando Tim]

On 5/13/2019 at 8:28 PM, Bangarang said:

Jackson isn’t someone I’d care to waste a roster spot on. I’d put him on the practice squad and continue to try and develop him. I don’t see him ever being a starting QB in the NFL (at least not a good one). 

i have a theory that having a crazy styled  backup would be a good thing- if your qb goes down you best throw something new at them since your backup is clearly not a top 30 qb so go with something the defense has never seen. this is why i hope he makes team.

[Mat68]

3rd string, P.S Qb.  For Jackson to get a package or be used in the offense, he would have to show he is a good enough Qb where they feel like they cant put him on P.S.  Imo that's a pretty long way to go. 

[Phil The Thrill]

On 5/14/2019 at 11:13 PM, Mat68 said:

3rd string, P.S Qb.  For Jackson to get a package or be used in the offense, he would have to show he is a good enough Qb where they feel like they cant put him on P.S.  Imo that's a pretty long way to go. 

 

If you listened to the podcast they talked about this.  Jackson was considered by some to be as high as a 3rd to 4th round pick.  It’s not unlikely that a team wouldn’t sign him off of the practice squad, which again, begs the questions of whether they would want to find ways to use him in other ways that just QB3

On 5/14/2019 at 8:32 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

I hate to say it but The Bulls WRs made Jackson look better. Anthony Johnson is going to play in Tampa. KJ Osborne transferred to The U. I don't know if he has to sit a year but he's someone to keep an eye on too.

 

You could very well be right.  I just know that a lot of scouts that that Jackson would be a mid-to-low round draft pick.  So many did see value in him

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

The package

 

[Mat68]

5 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

If you listened to the podcast they talked about this.  Jackson was considered by some to be as high as a 3rd to 4th round pick.  It’s not unlikely that a team wouldn’t sign him off of the practice squad, which again, begs the questions of whether they would want to find ways to use him in other ways that just QB3

 

You could very well be right.  I just know that a lot of scouts that that Jackson would be a mid-to-low round draft pick.  So many did see value in him

I understand some people loved his arm talent.  He is still very raw and why he went undrafted.  To use a roster spot he has to show massive improvement to warrant that sort of consideration.  

[Rob's House]

If Tyree Jackson makes half the money Joe Webb did in the NFL he will have surpassed all career expectations.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Joe Webb sucked.   Why repeat that disaster?  

 

And why hasn't this been merged with the Allen and Tyree on the field at the same time thread?  

 

 

[BillsfanAZ]

I dont see Tyree making the roster. Practice squad most likely. Obviously all the other teams thought he was too far away from being NFL ready. If someone does snag him off of the Bills PS then who cares? It isnt like he has any chance of getting playing time unless catastrophic injuries happen to Allen and Barkley. Even then it wouldnt surprise me if the Bills went looking for a veteran QB to sign. 

[ColoradoBills]

28 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Joe Webb sucked.   Why repeat that disaster?  

 

And why hasn't this been merged with the Allen and Tyree on the field at the same time thread?  

 

 

 

.....or at least the Dunkirk Don thread. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

11 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

.....or at least the Dunkirk Don thread. 

the memories 

 

What are cheerios made of again?  

[prissythecat]

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Joe Webb sucked.   Why repeat that disaster?  

 

And why hasn't this been merged with the Allen and Tyree on the field at the same time thread?  

 

 

 

46 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

.....or at least the Dunkirk Don thread. 

 

 

Nah. Merge it with the thread from that guy who posted about betting 5k on the Vikings to beat the Bills by 17 ?

[Buffalo716]

6 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

If you listened to the podcast they talked about this.  Jackson was considered by some to be as high as a 3rd to 4th round pick.  It’s not unlikely that a team wouldn’t sign him off of the practice squad, which again, begs the questions of whether they would want to find ways to use him in other ways that just QB3

 

You could very well be right.  I just know that a lot of scouts that that Jackson would be a mid-to-low round draft pick.  So many did see value in him

Jackson is physically imposing but not a nuanced qb

 

ive seen every snap of his career and I didn’t think he was worth more than a 6-7 round pick... his size and athleticism gives him a draftable grade but the rest of his skills need serious work

 

PTR was right that Jackson was on a loaded offense. He had the best line in the MAC, 4 really good RBs and 3-4 really good WRs...

 

AJ is on Tampa and Osborne transferred to the U... 

 

people forget that Jackson got hurt his RS sophomore year and the backup drew Anderson outplayed him... was a much more accurate and better thrower of the football

On 5/14/2019 at 8:32 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

I hate to say it but The Bulls WRs made Jackson look better. Anthony Johnson is going to play in Tampa. KJ Osborne transferred to The U. I don't know if he has to sit a year but he's someone to keep an eye on too.

He is a graduate transfer so KJ doesn’t need to sit

 

looks like he will be the U slot receiver this year 

[ColoradoBills]

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

the memories 

 

What are cheerios made of again?  

 

Can I grow cheerios on the 60 acres of land I got outside of Letchworth State Park?

I got to do something with it.

[Phil The Thrill]

4 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Joe Webb sucked.   Why repeat that disaster?  

 

And why hasn't this been merged with the Allen and Tyree on the field at the same time thread?  

 

 

 

Its a completely different topic.  This should not be merged

[MrEpsYtown]

No reason to over think this situation. Jackson is pretty much the perfect type of quarterback to develop. He has all of the tools and an immense upside but he is very raw. Just work with him and see what happens. Best case scenario, he develops into something people want and you can trade him for a pick. Worst case he doesn't develop and moves to a different position or is released. The most likely outcome is he develops into a reliable backup after spending time on the practice squad.  

Edited May 16, 2019 by MrEpsYtown

[LSHMEAB]

9 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

If you listened to the podcast they talked about this.  Jackson was considered by some to be as high as a 3rd to 4th round pick.  It’s not unlikely that a team wouldn’t sign him off of the practice squad, which again, begs the questions of whether they would want to find ways to use him in other ways that just QB3

 

What difference does it make where he was projected to go? Not a single team deemed him worthy of even a low draft pick. The only way he'd hypothetically be plucked off a practice squad is if he lights it up in the preseason. If that's the case, they'd just carry 3 QB's on the 53 like they planned to do before DA retired. If he makes it to the PS, it's because he didn't do anything to convince anyone he SHOULD have been drafted.

[Phil The Thrill]

2 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

What difference does it make where he was projected to go? Not a single team deemed him worthy of even a low draft pick. The only way he'd hypothetically be plucked off a practice squad is if he lights it up in the preseason. If that's the case, they'd just carry 3 QB's on the 53 like they planned to do before DA retired. If he makes it to the PS, it's because he didn't do anything to convince anyone he SHOULD have been drafted.

 

I disagree.... he was projected as a mid-round QB because he has talent and potential, though he is still very raw.  If he has a good preseason, it could reinforce the idea that he can improve the areas of his game.  Like I said, if this happens a team may grab him off the PS.  

 

 

[prissythecat]

10 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

I disagree.... he was projected as a mid-round QB because he has talent and potential, though he is still very raw.  If he has a good preseason, it could reinforce the idea that he can improve the areas of his game.  Like I said, if this happens a team may grab him off the PS.  

 

 

 

Why did you stop using your BuffaloRush handle?  Did your wife forbid you from posting on fan sites after you told her you lost 5k?

[NoSaint]

On 5/16/2019 at 6:47 AM, Phil The Thrill said:

 

If you listened to the podcast they talked about this.  Jackson was considered by some to be as high as a 3rd to 4th round pick.  It’s not unlikely that a team wouldn’t sign him off of the practice squad, which again, begs the questions of whether they would want to find ways to use him in other ways that just QB3

 

You could very well be right.  I just know that a lot of scouts that that Jackson would be a mid-to-low round draft pick.  So many did see value in him

 

If any GM had him as a 3rd he would’ve been picked by the end of day 3

 

Actions speak louder than words when claiming the gaps that wide.

[BillsfaninChicago]

It is pretty cool that we have a QB from a local school coming into training camp but if he went to any other school, let’s say Arizona State I don’t think we would even know he was on the roster.

[HT02]

He really should have stayed in college another year.  

[LSHMEAB]

Alright. I'm convinced we found our new Joe Webb. My main concern with the offseason is that we didn't find our new Mike Tolbert.

[Patrick Duffy]

14 hours ago, prissythecat said:

 

Why did you stop using your BuffaloRush handle?  Did your wife forbid you from posting on fan sites after you told her you lost 5k?

.

[elijah]

For what it’s worth, my dad sold a car to Tyree within the past week and came away with some interesting timbits. 

 

He said that Tyree claimed to have had an offer from every team in the league after going undrafted and that there was a sense that Tyree was the best undrafted player available and he ultimately chose to stay in Buffalo. 

 

Tyree also seemed uber confident in making the team and that he didn’t seem to have a concern at all if he’d make the final 53 or not.