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Bills sign Lee Smith to 3-year deal -contract details released

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53 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I asked in the other thread and still haven’t gotten an answer. Can someone please explain to me the advantage of a “blocking TE” as opposed to an extra tackle? No one is scared of Lee Smith in the passing game so he’s pretty much there to block. He’s not as good at blocking as an OT.  

 

I think this is a fair question. For me, using an extra tackle is just a little different. While he reports as eligible on plays, there's very little chance he goes out for a pass and teams largely ignore these guys, which gives them an extra guy to play the run. In the rare situation where the guy goes out for a pass, defenses just leave him and eat the play. While Lee Smith is not much of a receiver, you have to cover him and defend him as a true tight end. He is running routes in practice and catching balls all of the time. He is trained in all of the nuances of the game, which is not something a tackle eligible player will have. This is likely where the Jake Fisher experiment failed. He's been kicksteping for the last 8 years, not running routes and catching balls. There is simply not enough practice time for a guy to train as a tackle and a tight end. The tight end is also used to moving around the formation and being out in space and blocking from off the line. I guess my point is that even though the blocking tight end is not much of a threat in the pass game, he is a much higher threat than any tackle eligible player. Defenses have to respect him. That's just my 2 cents. 

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1 minute ago, CommonCents said:

Star agrees. 

I see....so lets take one of maybe TWO contract he has done while he is here and ignore the several other contracts he has done well......

 

Cool beans

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2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

The most questionable move Beane has pulled, imo. Dont like this at all. But I'll trust the process... for now.

Must've gave McDermott the body of Christ and then wrestled him with an easy victory.... only thing I can think of to warrant a 3 year deal.

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I asked in the other thread and still haven’t gotten an answer. Can someone please explain to me the advantage of a “blocking TE” as opposed to an extra tackle? No one is scared of Lee Smith in the passing game so he’s pretty much there to block. He’s not as good at blocking as an OT.  

These guys have issues evaluating offensive talent. 

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1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I asked in the other thread and still haven’t gotten an answer. Can someone please explain to me the advantage of a “blocking TE” as opposed to an extra tackle? No one is scared of Lee Smith in the passing game so he’s pretty much there to block. He’s not as good at blocking as an OT.  

 

The only real advantage in playing Lee Smith over, for example, Waddle, is that he wouldn't have to report as eligible.

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42 minutes ago, Nick the Greek said:

Kroft, Lee Smith, Croom, 2 draft picks.. seems like a lot. Who’s gonna play? I gotta think someone is getting cut. 

 

 

To me Kroft-Knox-Smith-Sweeney make the final roster. 

 

To me, Croom is a fun experiment, like Logan Thomas, Jake Fisher. It's an interesting experiment when your team sucks, but Croom does not provide anything special here. He should be out. I get that he dates the bosses' daughter, but i doesn't make football sense for him to be on the team and I trust that the brain trust here will understand that. Knox can do everything Croom can  do, is faster, and a much better blocker already. Kroft is a very underrated receiver as well. No need to have such a 1 dimensional player hogging a roster spot this year. 

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2 hours ago, RiotAct said:

Noooo, not even top 5 most questionable, IMO.

 

What do you have in your top 5?

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Smith is a physically bigger TE, at 6 foot 6 & 265lbs. All the others seem to be at maximum 6 foot 4 & 255lbs. Good to have multiple body types.

 

Still surprised that Jake Fisher was cut so early. Extremely unlikely the practice squad OL will amount to much in the long run.

 

I hope Sweeney makes the 53, 5 yard catches are important too and he like more NFL ready than Knox at this moment.

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Still one of the top run blockers in the NFL at the TE position. He doesn't catch many passes, but has average hands for a TE.

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6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Must've gave McDermott the body of Christ and then wrestled him with an easy victory.... only thing I can think of to warrant a 3 year deal.

These guys have issues evaluating offensive talent. 

If only we could be more like the patriots in that regard....eh Scott?

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Like others have said, you're adding leadership by example to the tight end room.

You're also adding a guy who can show these youngsters (Knox, Sweeney, Moral) a thing or two about being an effective blocker.

Blocking Tight Ends are obviously not most football fans' favorite players, but they are quite valuable to both the run and the pass game. Lee Smith is a top 3 blocking tight end in the NFL. He may be the BEST blocking tight end in the NFL.

I see the final roster shaking out at that position thusly:

Kroft
Knox
Smith
Sweeney

It's not out of the realm of possibilities that Croom makes the roster and Sweeney goes to the practice squad.

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2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

To me Kroft-Knox-Smith-Sweeney make the final roster. 

 

To me, Croom is a fun experiment, like Logan Thomas, Jake Fisher. It's an interesting experiment when your team sucks, but Croom does not provide anything special here. He should be out. I get that he dates the bosses' daughter, but i doesn't make football sense for him to be on the team and I trust that the brain trust here will understand that. Knox can do everything Croom can  do, is faster, and a much better blocker already. Kroft is a very underrated receiver as well. No need to have such a 1 dimensional player hogging a roster spot this year. 

 

With Sweeney on the PS, but the other 3 will make the final 53. I agree about Kroft too. I think he'll be a pleasant surprise.

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If you don't like him, for a brief moment close your eyes & pretend he is Logan Thomas.

 

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2 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

If he is that good, why wasn’t he scooped up in FA before now...enquiring minds want to know?

Because he was just released about a week ago

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1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

I believe it was Limeaid posted — 

Smith is a lot more mobile than most guards/tackles and will be blocking down the field for WRs/RBs when most guards/tackles would be left behind.  That is why you sign a TE like him rather than use an extra OL on play. 

When he is targeted he usually catches the ball (56/66) with 7 TDs - not many guards/tackles can do that.

 

Thanks for all of your rational posts today on this subject. 

Last year he had 11 targets, 10 catches and 3 TDs.

Only Jones had more receiving TDs on the Bills.

 

If Lee Smith can keep blocking well and be a Red Zone guy that can block and catch a few TDs it sounds good to me.

I will wait to see how Daboll uses him before I judge.

It may be said he costs a little too much but I'll also wait to see the contract.

FWIW Lee had almost 50% of Special Team snaps last year.

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5 minutes ago, brianthomas said:

Because he was just released about a week ago

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Ok.

 

If he is that good why was he released by the Raiders?😂

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I'm sad to see Jake Fisher go, but I get it: In the absolute BEST CASE SCENARIO, Fisher would've become Lee Smith. Lee Smith is ALREADY Lee Smith.

I also think this front office and coaching staff highly value the idea of having at least one veteran, lead-by-example guy in each position room. Not that Kroft couldn't have been that guy. But boy, having Lee Smith as a learning resource for the two rookie tight ends should sure speed up their learning arc when it comes to blocking.

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2 minutes ago, Logic said:

I'm sad to see Jake Fisher go, but I get it: In the absolute BEST CASE SCENARIO, Fisher would've become Lee Smith. Lee Smith is ALREADY Lee Smith.

I also think this front office and coaching staff highly value the idea of having at least one veteran, lead-by-example guy in each position room. Not that Kroft couldn't have been that guy. But boy, having Lee Smith as a learning resource for the two rookie tight ends should sure speed up their learning arc when it comes to blocking.

Lorax was just on One Bills live the other day and said they had a senior guy in pretty much every room except TE. He also talked about them bringing in a guy who fit that bill and it might of been Lee but I'd have to listen again to be sure.

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1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

Lorax was just on One Bills live the other day and said they had a senior guy in pretty much every room except TE. He also talked about them bringing in a guy who fit that bill and it might of been Lee but I'd have to listen again to be sure.

He was the one who actually broke the news that Smith was visiting in that interview 

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1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

Lorax was just on One Bills live the other day and said they had a senior guy in pretty much every room except TE. He also talked about them bringing in a guy who fit that bill and it might of been Lee but I'd have to listen again to be sure.


It makes sense.

They're ALREADY breaking in THREE rookies at the position, not to mention continuing the position transition for Jason Croom. To have ALSO had a guy in the room who was trying to convert from tackle might have been a bit much. To instead replace said player with an already accomplished blocking specialist, great locker room presence, and veteran on whom all the youngsters can lean seems like another well thought out, logical Beane/McDermott move.

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6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Ok.

 

If he is that good why was he released by the Raiders?😂

Just because a player gets released doesnt mean he cant contribute to another team. Clay signed pretty quickly with the Cards. I think your expectations are too high if you are expecting the Bills to sign star players with each signing. I know everyone was hoping for a trade for Rudolph but that prob isnt in the cards. 7 mil salary and he would prob want an extension seeing it may be his last contract. 

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1 minute ago, BillsfanAZ said:

Just because a player gets released doesnt mean he cant contribute to another team. Clay signed pretty quickly with the Cards. I think your expectations are too high if you are expecting the Bills to sign star players with each signing. I know everyone was hoping for a trade for Rudolph but that prob isnt in the cards. 7 mil salary and he would prob want an extension seeing it may be his last contract. 

just let scott be upset.  it's his happy.

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4 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said:

Just because a player gets released doesnt mean he cant contribute to another team. Clay signed pretty quickly with the Cards. I think your expectations are too high if you are expecting the Bills to sign star players with each signing. I know everyone was hoping for a trade for Rudolph but that prob isnt in the cards. 7 mil salary and he would prob want an extension seeing it may be his last contract. 

Smith is strictly a blocking TE.... but hey, like McDermott said, you have to be able to run the ball when they know you are running it and pass the ball when they know you are passing it..... hopefully Daboll isn't mr. Predictable with it.👍🏻

 

 

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3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

one I want to idle myself after

 

We had a "mute point" a few weeks ago - and now THIS.  Gold.

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3 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

I was never a big fan of his. 

Definitely don’t understand signing him now after we just drafted two and signed Kroft and fisher. I figured fisher would never make it regardless but now you’re pushing Sweeney to the practice squad and Croom is gone for sure. 

I'm trying to recall the board's voice last time he was on the roster - weren't we all unhappy with the fact that he was a one-dimensional player who could only really block, so every time he was on the field we were telegraphing our formations? While I'm not arguing against the necessity of blocking TEs, or in this pick up specifically, I'm not quite sure what signing him really adds to the roster that we didn't already go through before with him...I think he left us all wishing we had that top TE that could both block and receive.

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